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thezanursic
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dravernor
Netherlands6191 Posts
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Fruscainte
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On May 14 2013 03:34 DragonLord wrote: What are your views on The Hound? Good guy, bad guy? Mixed bag? I think misunderstood is a great term. | ||
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
On May 14 2013 02:32 foxmeep wrote: It's not the lack of action that bothers me. It's the lack of progression in the plot. Exactly what I've been saying. Season 1-2 had much better progression. They made a bad mistake of only making the show to be the 1st half of the 3rd book instead of the whole 3rd book. People attacking us for having this opinion and saying that we're only looking for instant gratification, more blood and sex rather than story are completely ignorant to what we're actually saying. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:39 Thor.Rush wrote: Exactly what I've been saying. Season 1-2 had much better progression. They made a bad mistake of only making the show to be the 1st half of the 3rd book instead of the whole 3rd book. People attacking us for having this opinion and saying that we're only looking for instant gratification, more blood and sex rather than story are completely ignorant to what we're actually saying. Isn't "I want more story progression" another way of saying "I want more big things to happen", or am I missing something? | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
Here'es the premise, Robb's wife is Tywin's spy now WHY is this? Do you remember when Arya was Tywin's servant girl and she read a letter written by a spy with regards to Robbs movements? Ok well right after that (or before I can't recall) it shows her writing another letter that she jokes "is a letter detailing his battle plans" and now she's, again, writing a letter but now its sealed in a language he can't read... I dunno, it seems to much like she is just so luckily fallen in love with him, knows now all his battle plans (he seems to converse them all the time to her) and writes letters that he isn't privy to. Also Bolton, I feel, has been receiving letters from Tywin himself (note all the letters you saw Tywin writing earlier in the season) regarding battle movements etc and since he jumps the fence back and forth for each side I feel like it's apt he's doing so now (made obvious by letting Jaime leave) Anywho that's my line of thinking. | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:34 DragonLord wrote: What are your views on The Hound? Good guy, bad guy? Mixed bag? Good guy in my opinion. She offered Sansa help getting her to her family but declined and he will now probably deliver Arya in Riverrun safe. Also, this episode was written by George. I thought shit was about to go down..  | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:39 Thor.Rush wrote: They made a bad mistake of only making the show to be the 1st half of the 3rd book instead of the whole 3rd book. Couldn't disagree more. It would be fairly impossible to do without cutting entire story lines out of the show. There's much more happening in the third book than the previous two. As already mentioned, this is a story that revolves around perspectives. The first season had many of the characters interacting with each other, in the same locations, all contributing to telling the same story. Since then, the characters have spread out all over the world and are having their own stories told. | ||
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SamsungStar
United States912 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:39 Thor.Rush wrote: Exactly what I've been saying. Season 1-2 had much better progression. They made a bad mistake of only making the show to be the 1st half of the 3rd book instead of the whole 3rd book. People attacking us for having this opinion and saying that we're only looking for instant gratification, more blood and sex rather than story are completely ignorant to what we're actually saying. No, it's more that you keep trying to assert there has been no plot progression when in fact there has been a great deal and multiple people have cited multiple examples of it happening. Yet here you are trying to cry about how badly you're misunderstood. | ||
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Sicariidae
50 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:45 Conti wrote: Isn't "I want more story progression" another way of saying "I want more big things to happen", or am I missing something? I don't think the plot has to have wild turns and lots of action for the story to progress. Learning more about the characters relationships with each other and how they react to each other is another form of progress. You could have the same set of characters in the same location for 10 episodes with no real plan, but, as long as their relationships are constantly being explored, you can still feel like the story is going somewhere. The Joffrey/Tywin scene in the last episode was a good example of this. Nothing really significant happened between the two that would advance the plot. However, you do get a good look into how they interact with each other and see their personalities as a result. | ||
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:45 Conti wrote: Isn't "I want more story progression" another way of saying "I want more big things to happen", or am I missing something? Yes and No. It's more like lack of movement forward in the plot, for example, the revisiting/continuation of scenes like Theon. In Season 1 and 2 there were major events at the end of each season, but the progression and build-up to those events was really well-done compared to S3. Season 3 doesn't need more action, it just needs faster progression of the story (an opinion that many seem to have right now, and people getting angry at us trying to have a reasonable discussion is quite pathetic). | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:48 Hitch-22 wrote: Ok big prediction that is totally out of the blue but I just put it together after watching the episode You better not be a troll, or I'm going to find out where you live. Expect me. I was already suspicious of this when she made her 'joke' when writing the first letter. | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:03 Emnjay808 wrote: Wait, why are people talking about the Wall again. Didnt they already traverse the wall earlier, back when the warg cut Jon and Ygritte's rope. Wait, weren't they supposed to attack the Wall? Castle Black? | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:03 Emnjay808 wrote: Wait, why are people talking about the Wall again. Didnt they already traverse the wall earlier, back when the warg cut Jon and Ygritte's rope. Their scouting party did. Mance's vast host of wildlings is still north of it. | ||
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Jophess
United States95 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
What others have said about high fantasy is true. Also, this show is only sort-of an ensemble show. It pretends pretty hard, but the first two seasons are very clear about who their protagonists are: Season 1: The Tragedy of Eddard Stark Season 2: The Rise and Fall of Tyrion Lannister Part of the "the plot is not moving forward" complaint comes from the fact that by Episode 7 of the other seasons, hell, by Episode 1 of Season 1, it was clear who the season protagonist was. For this season, in the running right now: Robb Stark: Stark Men Never Learn, part II +Robb seems bent on self-destruction. +He has had more major decisions than anyone but Dany +It's obvious how his plot could wrap up in the near future (but within 3 episodes? maybe if they are very quick paced) +He has a particularly interesting cadre of followers in his wife, Lord Bolton, Lord Frey, Lord Karstark, and his mother. +Jaime plot incidental to his right now, and Jaime a useful dramatic foil to him. -Kinda boring as a person -Haven't we already seen self-destructive idealists destroying themselves from gods-sent great positions? Dany: Abraham Lincoln, Dragon Rider +After a lot of whinging last season, finally living up to the awesomeness suggested by the end of season 1. +Lots of important decisions -Peripheral in screen-time -Plot unlikely to wrap up in any definitive way soon. Based on all build-up, she is going to have to invade Westeros at some point. That will probably be her season. If it's the last one, she might actually win. Jon Snow: Do I Know Anything? +Some interesting things have happened +Easy to imagine dramatic wrap up +/- We really have no good sense of his motives, unless they really are as simple as "double agent against Wildlings" -Little screen time -Even with dramatic wrap up, probably would have to be set-up for next season. So really the problem is that most plots are moving forward very slowly, and the two that have really gone anywhere are Robb's (which feels like Ned-redux with less uncertainty) and Dany's (which isn't approaching a real conclusion). | ||
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
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