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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 01:45:43
May 08 2013 01:45 GMT
#15901


As to the Boltons. Does anyone else think they have the weirdest sigil? Like, it would take so long just to draw it up on each flag. Their flags must cost 3x the flags of the other guys.
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
May 08 2013 01:47 GMT
#15902
On May 08 2013 10:25 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Look at the Bolton's sigil:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Now look at Theon:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Now back at the sigil, now back at Theon...

Uhm...

Bolton even wears a very noticiable brooch with his sigil:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



But... does Robb knows Bolton has Theon? This is really fucking weird. I thought Bolton was supposed to deliver Theon as soon as his bastard son (I believe he mentioned that in Season 2) caught him.
+ Show Spoiler [Speculation] +
So the guy torturing Theon is actually his bastard soon? Uh...
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
May 08 2013 01:55 GMT
#15903
On May 08 2013 10:47 duoform wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 10:25 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Look at the Bolton's sigil:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Now look at Theon:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Now back at the sigil, now back at Theon...

Uhm...

Bolton even wears a very noticiable brooch with his sigil:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



But... does Robb knows Bolton has Theon? This is really fucking weird. I thought Bolton was supposed to deliver Theon as soon as his bastard son (I believe he mentioned that in Season 2) caught him.
+ Show Spoiler [Speculation] +
So the guy torturing Theon is actually his bastard soon? Uh...


The show is basically beating the viewer in the head telling you who that guy is. It's not even a spoiler, they have shown like 20 hints about it.
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sideburn horse
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden4 Posts
May 08 2013 01:57 GMT
#15904
Are we intended to feel suspicious about the boltons now? The bastard is disobeying robbs order wich was to bring him before him so he could look him in the eye before chopping of his head. Roose letting jamie go doesnt look good either, i understand him being afraid of tywins wrath but is it possible that he has lost faith in the norths cause and hopes to be pardoned by tywin for supporting robb by sending jamie back?
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
May 08 2013 02:06 GMT
#15905
On May 08 2013 10:57 sideburn horse wrote:
Are we intended to feel suspicious about the boltons now? The bastard is disobeying robbs order wich was to bring him before him so he could look him in the eye before chopping of his head. Roose letting jamie go doesnt look good either, i understand him being afraid of tywins wrath but is it possible that he has lost faith in the norths cause and hopes to be pardoned by tywin for supporting robb by sending jamie back?

I have discussed this before in this thread. I firmly believe Robb lost his war the day he chopped Karstark's head and married the wrong girl. Why would Walder Frey support Robb now when he "lost" the war when Karstark's army went home? Besides, according to last episode, the Freys did know that Robb broke his promise...
Yeah man. In theory it would be easier for the Freys to betray Robb but who the hell knows. George R. R. Martin is crazy...
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
May 08 2013 02:18 GMT
#15906
On May 08 2013 10:39 ZasZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 09:41 PrinceXizor wrote:
On May 08 2013 07:23 Scio wrote:
Some Bolton predictions:

+ Show Spoiler +
So after watching the episode preview for next week it seems like Bolton really is gonna let Jaime ride south. That pretty much makes him a traitor and i think he is gonna turn on Robb. Also the guy torturing Theon is now pretty much confirmed to be Bolton's bastard, which makes the whole situation even more interesting.

We have Bolton and his men (they are all Bolton men arent they?) holding Harrenhall while bastard Bolton is in the north and just got to know that Bran and Rickon are alive. Bastard Bolton is probably gonna search for Bran and Rickon while Lord Bolton already tries to get on good terms with the Lannisters by releasing Jaime.

Goal of the whole thing is probably to get the Boltons to become Lords of the North once the Lannisters win the war.

If the Bolton bastard manages to find the Stark boys and gets word to his father, the Boltons will have the key to the north in their hands and could initiate negotiations with the Lannisters based on that situation.
That whole situation would also explain the burning of Winterfell, which most likely happened at the hand of the Bolton bastard who acted on his father's commands to weaken the Stark position in the war.

But one thing doesnt work out with my prediction. How did the Bolton bastard manage to burn down Winterfell when he was commanding loyal Stark men? If his men are loyal to Bolton, i wonder why he killed 3 of them when he faked Theon's escape. Was it just to convince Theon that he wasnt from the North? Seems kinda odd to kill 3 of your men just to make your story a little more believeable.
On the other hand the Bolton bastard is one sick guy and his behaviour isnt completely rational.

I wonder how much of this prediction turns out to be true......if anything at all.

To be fair the Boltons sided with Lannisters when the lannisters were the clear "winners" then when they started losing boltons went to Robb. now that robb is losing they seem to watch to get back on the winning side. scumbags. so you can call them traitors, but they just want to be on the winning side. they are immoral scumbags, not traitors.


When were the Boltons ever allied with the Lannisters?
Huh i guess they weren't I don't know where i got that idea. Did a house switch sides in the war and i'm mixing them up?
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
May 08 2013 02:46 GMT
#15907
On May 08 2013 11:18 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 10:39 ZasZ. wrote:
On May 08 2013 09:41 PrinceXizor wrote:
On May 08 2013 07:23 Scio wrote:
Some Bolton predictions:

+ Show Spoiler +
So after watching the episode preview for next week it seems like Bolton really is gonna let Jaime ride south. That pretty much makes him a traitor and i think he is gonna turn on Robb. Also the guy torturing Theon is now pretty much confirmed to be Bolton's bastard, which makes the whole situation even more interesting.

We have Bolton and his men (they are all Bolton men arent they?) holding Harrenhall while bastard Bolton is in the north and just got to know that Bran and Rickon are alive. Bastard Bolton is probably gonna search for Bran and Rickon while Lord Bolton already tries to get on good terms with the Lannisters by releasing Jaime.

Goal of the whole thing is probably to get the Boltons to become Lords of the North once the Lannisters win the war.

If the Bolton bastard manages to find the Stark boys and gets word to his father, the Boltons will have the key to the north in their hands and could initiate negotiations with the Lannisters based on that situation.
That whole situation would also explain the burning of Winterfell, which most likely happened at the hand of the Bolton bastard who acted on his father's commands to weaken the Stark position in the war.

But one thing doesnt work out with my prediction. How did the Bolton bastard manage to burn down Winterfell when he was commanding loyal Stark men? If his men are loyal to Bolton, i wonder why he killed 3 of them when he faked Theon's escape. Was it just to convince Theon that he wasnt from the North? Seems kinda odd to kill 3 of your men just to make your story a little more believeable.
On the other hand the Bolton bastard is one sick guy and his behaviour isnt completely rational.

I wonder how much of this prediction turns out to be true......if anything at all.

To be fair the Boltons sided with Lannisters when the lannisters were the clear "winners" then when they started losing boltons went to Robb. now that robb is losing they seem to watch to get back on the winning side. scumbags. so you can call them traitors, but they just want to be on the winning side. they are immoral scumbags, not traitors.


When were the Boltons ever allied with the Lannisters?
Huh i guess they weren't I don't know where i got that idea. Did a house switch sides in the war and i'm mixing them up?


Only Tyrell switched sides and Karstark went home.
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Aegon I
Profile Joined April 2013
Canada133 Posts
May 08 2013 03:09 GMT
#15908
I enjoyed seeing Littlefinger and Varys square off against each other again, their scenes together were a highlight in season one, and Littlefinger's monologue towards the end was very good. I'm sure some diehard book worshippers will be happy to see Ros dead, but really she turned into a fairly decent character, and I hadn't seen anyone complain about her since early season two.
"His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy's"
nthrLL
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia45 Posts
May 08 2013 05:24 GMT
#15909
That scene between Littlefinger and Varys was sooooooo sick.
sideburn horse
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden4 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 12:03:22
May 08 2013 09:28 GMT
#15910
mod edit : book content
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
May 08 2013 09:31 GMT
#15911
On May 08 2013 05:36 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 01:40 zatic wrote:
On May 08 2013 01:28 Poetry wrote:
Yeah but that's ALL the wildlings not just soldiers right? So the entire population north of the wall... young, old, women and children etc.

Yes, most likely.

The women can be considered soldiers too though as far as we know.

You need to see also that the Wildlings most likely have no way of reliably assessing their own numbers. "Hundreds and thousands" for them is probably as precise as "more than we can count".


The area north of the wall is large, but I doubt that much of it is suitable for agriculture. If the wildlings rely on hunting and gathering then the population density would be very sparse. It would make sense that there are far less wildlings than there are people in the north (Stark lands). Based on that reasoning, even if the wildlings have all their women and old people with them they probably don't have an army much bigger than Robb's.

We simply don't know.

The areas that were shown north of the wall were absolutely uninhabitable. Basically mountainous glaciers with next to zero plant or wildlife. The only thing we can assume from this is that Mance Rayder was just gathering his people there, and that they usually live in more hospitable regions in the North.

They are definitely not just hunter gatherers though. As we saw they make rope, steel, and specialized tools, so they must have something like permanent dwellings in the north. Mormont mentions in S2 that they found only deserted Wildling villages. So the frozen part we saw is just the majority of them gathering for their march south, not where they usually live.

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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 08 2013 09:55 GMT
#15912
On May 08 2013 18:28 sideburn horse wrote:

Would george be that cruel and let two seasons in a row end with massive lannister victories and the death of the shows initial protagonists?

Its a plausible theory but i feel like Robb and Cat have a plot-sheild after all the time we have spent with them and neds death.

Actually we already did have two seasons of Lannisters winning in the end.
Season1: Ned dies and Lannisters take the throne
Season2: Stannis loses his battle and his forces are destroyed. Lannisters keep King's Landing.

So real question is, would 3 seasons end with Lannisters being the victors or is it time for someone else to win for a change :D
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
May 08 2013 10:08 GMT
#15913
At the moment it's building up towards the Wildling invasion and (hopefully) Robbs attack at Casterly Rock, imho.

Some people in this thread said that (unlike season one and two) this season contains only the first part of the 3rd book and season four is going to finish it. So we might not see this huge climax as we had in the other seasons.
sideburn horse
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden4 Posts
May 08 2013 10:17 GMT
#15914
But just luke the Series, the book was also cut into two parys simply because it was too thick and it suited the story. My friend has the first one and i believe its called steel and snow
Holo82
Profile Joined April 2013
Austria107 Posts
May 08 2013 10:42 GMT
#15915
is the dagger the fat nightwatch guy (dont remember name) found one of those few that are able to hurt / kill dragons?
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
May 08 2013 10:45 GMT
#15916
On May 08 2013 19:42 Holo82 wrote:
is the dagger the fat nightwatch guy (dont remember name) found one of those few that are able to hurt / kill dragons?

How would we know? He called it "dragonglass", but that could mean anything.
TheIlluminated
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway35 Posts
May 08 2013 11:08 GMT
#15917
I have no knowledge from the books, but I would bet that dragonglass refers to some materials forged by the help of dragons. As regular glass is made from heat I think it is a suitable theory. Usually anything forged by the help of a specific beast can be used to slay it also in fantasy or games (like magic weapons).
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44203 Posts
May 08 2013 11:11 GMT
#15918
On May 08 2013 11:06 duoform wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 10:57 sideburn horse wrote:
Are we intended to feel suspicious about the boltons now? The bastard is disobeying robbs order wich was to bring him before him so he could look him in the eye before chopping of his head. Roose letting jamie go doesnt look good either, i understand him being afraid of tywins wrath but is it possible that he has lost faith in the norths cause and hopes to be pardoned by tywin for supporting robb by sending jamie back?

I have discussed this before in this thread. I firmly believe Robb lost his war the day he chopped Karstark's head and married the wrong girl. Why would Walder Frey support Robb now when he "lost" the war when Karstark's army went home? Besides, according to last episode, the Freys did know that Robb broke his promise...
Yeah man. In theory it would be easier for the Freys to betray Robb but who the hell knows. George R. R. Martin is crazy...

He's still won every battle, saved the riverlands and captured Tywin's son.
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revoN
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan804 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 12:11:30
May 08 2013 11:23 GMT
#15919
mod edit: book content.

User was temp banned for this post.
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Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
May 08 2013 12:23 GMT
#15920
On May 08 2013 20:08 TheIlluminated wrote:
I have no knowledge from the books, but I would bet that dragonglass refers to some materials forged by the help of dragons. As regular glass is made from heat I think it is a suitable theory. Usually anything forged by the help of a specific beast can be used to slay it also in fantasy or games (like magic weapons).


I suspect we'll find out about that soon™. Notice how the scene with Sam is shot? That's how movies tell the viewers that there's danger lurking or something watching the character. He either will be attacked by something (White Walkers?) and he's going to defend himself with the dagger or he hasn't been attacked yet because of the threat the dagger. That might be why he survived at the Fist in the first place.
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