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xavra41
United States220 Posts
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nostrils
Sweden23 Posts
On May 07 2013 18:02 armada[sb] wrote: I just don't understand how you're going to fix a rope at the top without climbing with it ;o maybe I'm misunderstanding. But, yes, I doubt they have the capability to create a rope that long and that strong. As for the whole 3 and half wildlings up there, I wanna discuss that but it's hard to without discussing the books :| You don't climb with the heavy rope. You climb with a 200ft fishing line (or GoT equivalent), drop one end down, attach stronger rope and pull it up. :D | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 07 2013 17:25 Zandar wrote: Or build campfires and make a hole through it? Or is there stone under the ice? Or just take pickaxes and dig through it. Its just ice, should really be no problem. But ok, its just fantasy. The wall overall has always been kinda retarded. Its height actually means that its nearly impossible to defend its bottom. Also it should have melted a 100 times over by now, but oh well. | ||
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TeePee
United States132 Posts
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On May 07 2013 18:56 Redox wrote: Or just take pickaxes and dig through it. Its just ice, should really be no problem. But ok, its just fantasy. The wall overall has always been kinda retarded. Its height actually means that its nearly impossible to defend its bottom. Also it should have melted a 100 times over by now, but oh well. If wildlings were smart they'd just light a few fires at key weight points at the bottom and melt the wall down : D but yeah, it's fantasy. | ||
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OneRedBeard
Germany313 Posts
On May 07 2013 18:37 Zandar wrote: 700 feet, 213 meters, that's a lot of weight. According to http://www.spadout.com/w/climbing-ropes/ About 70 gram per meter, 70 x 220 = ~ 15kilogram No way any bird can carry that 220 meters up edit: maybe im wrong  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowned_Eagle says they can carry 30k, that's awesome Yet the estimation is for modern compound material nylon ropes. Period material would be three or four times the weight and carry much less weight. | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
At best they can use torches (as they are mobile) and those would probably melt the ice slower then new one would form around them. Also the people suggesting them digging through it. Wall is very wide by what we seen, I don't think digging through it is such a simple matter, even for giants. And they got no quality steel digging tools. Unless you want them to dig with their fingers... And digging underground tunnels through ice frozen ground with no modern tools?! Good luck with that. .. | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On May 07 2013 19:40 -Archangel- wrote: Haha, some of the comments about passing the wall are borderline idiotic. So you people would go to north or south pole and melt that ice as well with cave man built fire?! Are you people kidding? At best they can use torches (as they are mobile) and those would probably melt the ice slower then new one would form around them. Also the people suggesting them digging through it. Wall is very wide by what we seen, I don't think digging through it is such a simple matter, even for giants. And they got no quality steel digging tools. Unless you want them to dig with their fingers... And digging underground tunnels through ice frozen ground with no modern tools?! Good luck with that. .. So you're saying ... people couldn't light mighty fires back then? If the wall wasn't magical (which it is) and just a tall ice wall you'd need about 400 basic fires along about 12 feet apart to melt that wall down.. Not use a'torch' lol. "borderline idiotic I say!!!!" You don't need much in removing structural stability to have a 700ft ice wall fall, just some shifting on the base weight will topple it since it's not strung together with proper structural integrity. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 07 2013 19:40 -Archangel- wrote: Haha, some of the comments about passing the wall are borderline idiotic. So you people would go to north or south pole and melt that ice as well with cave man built fire?! Are you people kidding? At best they can use torches (as they are mobile) and those would probably melt the ice slower then new one would form around them. Also the people suggesting them digging through it. Wall is very wide by what we seen, I don't think digging through it is such a simple matter, even for giants. And they got no quality steel digging tools. Unless you want them to dig with their fingers... And digging underground tunnels through ice frozen ground with no modern tools?! Good luck with that. .. Wow this post was painful to read. But I will refrain from further arguing about the wall from a rational point of view. Because it defies logic in the first lace. Lets just say its all magic and thats it. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On May 07 2013 19:44 Hitch-22 wrote: So you're saying ... people couldn't light mighty fires back then? If the wall wasn't magical (which it is) and just a tall ice wall you'd need about 400 basic fires along about 12 feet apart to melt that wall down.. Not use a'torch' lol. "borderline idiotic I say!!!!" You don't need much in removing structural stability to have a 700ft ice wall fall, just some shifting on the base weight will topple it since it's not strung together with proper structural integrity. Maybe in perfect conditions, but these are below zero celsius temperature conditions. Any fire they make will not burn strong or hot. Not to mention wind, and guards that can throw ice at them. Oh and then comes logistics and once you melt a small part of exterior you need to move all these fires closer again which means more logistics all the while White Walkers are just waiting for them to break the ice so they can also move through it south. Are you really suggesting you will topple a wall that is extending for hundreds of miles? Its structural integrity comes from its length. It is a one piece construction. You would need to make 700 feel high cracks to topple parts of it. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On May 07 2013 19:44 Hitch-22 wrote: So you're saying ... people couldn't light mighty fires back then? If the wall wasn't magical (which it is) and just a tall ice wall you'd need about 400 basic fires along about 12 feet apart to melt that wall down.. Not use a'torch' lol. "borderline idiotic I say!!!!" You don't need much in removing structural stability to have a 700ft ice wall fall, just some shifting on the base weight will topple it since it's not strung together with proper structural integrity. lighting a mighty fire would cause a lot of attention and would take a while given how big the wall is. Chances are high that the nights watch finds out and is going to defend there. Plus the wall serves a purpose. If you destroy the wall, then what stops the white walkers? | ||
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
Far easier on the ears than German though | ||
zatic
Zurich15361 Posts
But since there is magic involved, melting it or digging through it are not viable options. On May 07 2013 20:19 SpikeStarcraft wrote: Plus the wall serves a purpose. If you destroy the wall, then what stops the white walkers? That is probably the best point. The Wildlings don't want the wall to go down, they just want to get on the other side of it. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
Awesome Littlefinger monologue here (though the images used were a bit simplistic), he brings tension in the story to another level and totally justifies Varys's fear of him being the most dangerous man in Westeros. | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On May 07 2013 20:19 SpikeStarcraft wrote: lighting a mighty fire would cause a lot of attention and would take a while given how big the wall is. Chances are high that the nights watch finds out and is going to defend there. Plus the wall serves a purpose. If you destroy the wall, then what stops the white walkers? If you have the entire army of Mance standing outside the fucking wall against 1000 nights watchmen do you think they're going to jump outside and 'defend the fire'... They'd be lucky if they could even fire down arrows on them from 700ft let alone engage lol. It'd be the quickest wall collapse known to man, zero structural stability (note what happened as they climbed) and the fact its an ice wall... lol you have 10000 men, light 1000 (1 for every 10 men, or even 100) fires at the base, there goes the wall... This is fucking ice, take some ice outside for a second and see how fast it melts in daylight temperature let alone fire, it doesn't have to be very hot. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 07 2013 20:35 Emix_Squall wrote: FUCK THE WALL!!!! CLIMB THE LADDER!!!! Awesome Littlefinger monologue here (though the images used were a bit simplistic), he brings tension in the story to another level and totally justifies Varys's fear of him being the most dangerous man in Westeros. I generally like him, but I dont like how he has changed his voice to super raspy now. Its a little over the top. | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On May 07 2013 20:37 Redox wrote: I generally like him, but I dont like how he has changed his voice to super raspy now. Its a little over the top. Batman not doing it for you? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 07 2013 20:35 Hitch-22 wrote: If you have the entire army of Mance standing outside the fucking wall against 1000 nights watchmen do you think they're going to jump outside and 'defend the fire'... They'd be lucky if they could even fire down arrows on them from 700ft let alone engage lol. It'd be the quickest wall collapse known to man, zero structural stability (note what happened as they climbed) and the fact its an ice wall... lol you have 10000 men, light 1000 (1 for every 10 men, or even 100) fires at the base, there goes the wall... This is fucking ice, take some ice outside for a second and see how fast it melts in daylight temperature let alone fire, it doesn't have to be very hot. Yah and you could dig through it etc. But as already said, if it wasnt for magic the wall would not stand in the first place and melt on its own like our glaciers. Lets just say its magic and therefore impenetrable. | ||
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