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On May 07 2013 01:01 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:59 misirlou wrote:On May 07 2013 00:56 s3rp wrote:On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:On May 06 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 s3rp wrote:On May 06 2013 23:24 ZasZ. wrote:On May 06 2013 23:16 s3rp wrote:
How does Melisandre where Gendry is and that he is a bastard son of King Robert ? That was never properly explained she just randomly showed up and took him. I know she needs a Baratheon for something and they weren't going to introduce too many more characters but they still could've explained better how she randomly showed up at the Brotherhood and took a bastard son of Robert that wasn't known publically. Probably easily explained away by her seeing him in her fires. When you have an omnipotent superpower on your side, there is no such thing as plot holes. Maybe but it's a pretty cheap explaination . You doubt the lord of light? Since they all knew each other, it seems likely she knew how to find their location. What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live (and how he subsequently makes it past them back to his group). If A=Night's Watch, B=White Walkers, and C=Sam, the positions are A-B-C. How the hell does C get past B back to A?? That obsidian better have something to do with it or I lost some faith in the screen writers.. That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army. The WW and wight army then moves to the Fist of The First Men and proceeds to slaughter the NW off screen, those who manage to survive and escape then run into Sam who is also running away. The Sam scene was added to remind the audience of Dagger or whatever this is he found , would be my guess. Looks like this will play a role in the future. but didnt he found the dagger in S3, after the WW scene? I think there was a scene S2 where he was digging up hidden loot and found it there.
season2 episode 8 around 25 minutes in
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On May 07 2013 01:05 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:50 Zandar wrote:On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:
That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army.
That's an assumption. He could have seen him or not, that was not totally clear. I think he saw him though, he really turned his head and looked for a while. Ok, I just looked at the scene again and it can only be explained one way: the show writers dun goofed. He's clearily in the middle of the horde, while it's not impossible for WW to spare humans for whatever reason (see S1EP1) this time they were clearily launching a deliberate attack on the NW. Even if the dagger is a powerful weapon against them and/or wights it makes no sense to let him live (and continue to be a threat) when he's surrounded by hundreds of their minions. If he's somehow "special" and is spared because of it, then why a wight would attack him later on? Non logical scene added for dramatic purposes, that's all.
"dun goofed"
Tried to google it, found some different explanations and I still don't understand what it means lol.
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On May 07 2013 01:01 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:00 s3rp wrote:On May 07 2013 00:59 misirlou wrote:On May 07 2013 00:56 s3rp wrote:On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:On May 06 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 s3rp wrote:On May 06 2013 23:24 ZasZ. wrote:On May 06 2013 23:16 s3rp wrote:
How does Melisandre where Gendry is and that he is a bastard son of King Robert ? That was never properly explained she just randomly showed up and took him. I know she needs a Baratheon for something and they weren't going to introduce too many more characters but they still could've explained better how she randomly showed up at the Brotherhood and took a bastard son of Robert that wasn't known publically. Probably easily explained away by her seeing him in her fires. When you have an omnipotent superpower on your side, there is no such thing as plot holes. Maybe but it's a pretty cheap explaination . You doubt the lord of light? Since they all knew each other, it seems likely she knew how to find their location. What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live (and how he subsequently makes it past them back to his group). If A=Night's Watch, B=White Walkers, and C=Sam, the positions are A-B-C. How the hell does C get past B back to A?? That obsidian better have something to do with it or I lost some faith in the screen writers.. That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army. The WW and wight army then moves to the Fist of The First Men and proceeds to slaughter the NW off screen, those who manage to survive and escape then run into Sam who is also running away. The Sam scene was added to remind the audience of Dagger or whatever this is he found , would be my guess. Looks like this will play a role in the future. but didnt he found the dagger in S3, after the WW scene? Ehhh i don't know ^^ not calling you out or anything, open question to everyone who spoke about the dagger. Im not sure about the timeline but I believe it was indeed after the ww scene
He found the dagger before the WW scene. Sam and the other two guys (cant remember their names) are at the Fist of the First Men when Sam finds the dagger. I think the next Sam scene after that is when they collect shit and the WW arrive.
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On May 07 2013 01:05 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:50 Zandar wrote:On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:
That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army.
That's an assumption. He could have seen him or not, that was not totally clear. I think he saw him though, he really turned his head and looked for a while. Ok, I just looked at the scene again and it can only be explained one way: the show writers dun goofed. He's clearily in the middle of the horde, while it's not impossible for WW to spare humans for whatever reason (see S1EP1) this time they were clearily launching a deliberate attack on the NW. Even if the dagger is a powerful weapon against them and/or wights it makes no sense to let him live (and continue to be a threat) when he's surrounded by hundreds of their minions. If he's somehow "special" and is spared because of it, then why a wight would attack him later on? Non logical scene added for dramatic purposes, that's all.
Hm I think I stay with my assumption that Sam is a wizard.
And since he is a coward and was so scared he accidently activated hidden powers and made himself invisible or appearing dead or like something scary/uninteresting for the whitewalker.
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The easiest explanation for the whitewalkers not killing sam is that they have thought. and realize a fat coward isn't a very good ally, and not even really an enemy, so they don't even care. not like he could ruin their stealth with you know the giant army.
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On May 07 2013 01:31 PrinceXizor wrote:
The easiest explanation for the whitewalkers not killing sam is that they have thought. and realize a fat coward isn't a very good ally, and not even really an enemy, so they don't even care. not like he could ruin their stealth with you know the giant army.
I always thought about it as them "feeding" off of the strength of men, and Sam, in that instant, having absolutely no strength at all. He was so afraid and so full of despair that they didn't even notice he was there, or if they did notice him, decided he was so weak he was not a thread or worth killing. He would certainly make a very funny-looking wight.
So in the end, his cowardice actually saved his life.
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On May 07 2013 01:05 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:50 Zandar wrote:On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:
That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army.
That's an assumption. He could have seen him or not, that was not totally clear. I think he saw him though, he really turned his head and looked for a while. Ok, I just looked at the scene again and it can only be explained one way: the show writers dun goofed. He's clearily in the middle of the horde, while it's not impossible for WW to spare humans for whatever reason (see S1EP1) this time they were clearily launching a deliberate attack on the NW. Even if the dagger is a powerful weapon against them and/or wights it makes no sense to let him live (and continue to be a threat) when he's surrounded by hundreds of their minions. If he's somehow "special" and is spared because of it, then why a wight would attack him later on? Non logical scene added for dramatic purposes, that's all. Really? Cause I watched the scene about fifteen times and its not clear at all where he is relative to the army. It shows him obscuring himself and seeing them from a few feet off, and when it pans out to show the whole army we dont actually see where Sam is hiding. We dont know his exact angle, and we dont know the full breadth of the army, whether it extended all around him. Given he wasnt found, its pretty self evident the writers intended it to be the case within the micro-reality of game of thrones, that he had not been seen. So they did not "goof", you just decided to ignore the clear interpretation and get bitter.
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Quite a slow episode, lots of character development. I was disapointed no Khaleesi 
That whole Red Lady taking Gendry and her telling Arya that they will meet again felt important to me...
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On May 07 2013 01:10 Scio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:01 misirlou wrote:On May 07 2013 01:00 s3rp wrote:On May 07 2013 00:59 misirlou wrote:On May 07 2013 00:56 s3rp wrote:On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:On May 06 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 s3rp wrote:On May 06 2013 23:24 ZasZ. wrote:
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Probably easily explained away by her seeing him in her fires. When you have an omnipotent superpower on your side, there is no such thing as plot holes. Maybe but it's a pretty cheap explaination . You doubt the lord of light? Since they all knew each other, it seems likely she knew how to find their location. What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live (and how he subsequently makes it past them back to his group). If A=Night's Watch, B=White Walkers, and C=Sam, the positions are A-B-C. How the hell does C get past B back to A?? That obsidian better have something to do with it or I lost some faith in the screen writers.. That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army. The WW and wight army then moves to the Fist of The First Men and proceeds to slaughter the NW off screen, those who manage to survive and escape then run into Sam who is also running away. The Sam scene was added to remind the audience of Dagger or whatever this is he found , would be my guess. Looks like this will play a role in the future. but didnt he found the dagger in S3, after the WW scene? Ehhh i don't know ^^ not calling you out or anything, open question to everyone who spoke about the dagger. Im not sure about the timeline but I believe it was indeed after the ww scene He found the dagger before the WW scene. Sam and the other two guys (cant remember their names) are at the Fist of the First Men when Sam finds the dagger. I think the next Sam scene after that is when they collect shit and the WW arrive.
Since I re-watched the 2nd season only last week, here it goes:
Dolorous Edd (kind of oldish guy that always complains) Grenn and Sam are digging a latrine trench, when Grenn's shovel goes 'clonk', Sam takes a look and identifies the stone as having carvings made by the first men. Grenn lifts it to reveal a NW cloak that contains a cache of Dragonglass/Obsidian daggers, spearheads and arrowheads.
Next scene where the three of them are together, they are walking around, looking for dung, when they hear a horn blast, then another one, then another one, which means WWs approaching. Edd and Grenn run towards the fist of the first men, Sam stays put.
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On May 07 2013 01:49 Dazed_Spy wrote:
He's clearily in the middle of the horde, while it's not impossible for WW to spare humans for whatever reason (see S1EP1)
Hm now you mention that.
That guy who escaped from them, who later got his head chopped off for being a deserter, was quite the coward too.
edit: And I just noticed he was sitting on his knees as well, when the the white walkers and wights killed the other 2 rangers and he survived alone.
They might see that as some form of obedience/yielding?
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And yet another reason for Sam surviving could be his switch from the seven to the old gods when he took his rangers vow.
Since Craster mentioned he survived because he was a godly man.
btw sorry I keep rambling about this, I'm intriged about it too 
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On May 07 2013 01:41 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:31 PrinceXizor wrote:
The easiest explanation for the whitewalkers not killing sam is that they have thought. and realize a fat coward isn't a very good ally, and not even really an enemy, so they don't even care. not like he could ruin their stealth with you know the giant army. I always thought about it as them "feeding" off of the strength of men, and Sam, in that instant, having absolutely no strength at all. He was so afraid and so full of despair that they didn't even notice he was there, or if they did notice him, decided he was so weak he was not a thread or worth killing. He would certainly make a very funny-looking wight. So in the end, his cowardice actually saved his life.
Bravery is grossly overrated
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On May 07 2013 03:03 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 01:41 ZasZ. wrote:On May 07 2013 01:31 PrinceXizor wrote:
The easiest explanation for the whitewalkers not killing sam is that they have thought. and realize a fat coward isn't a very good ally, and not even really an enemy, so they don't even care. not like he could ruin their stealth with you know the giant army. I always thought about it as them "feeding" off of the strength of men, and Sam, in that instant, having absolutely no strength at all. He was so afraid and so full of despair that they didn't even notice he was there, or if they did notice him, decided he was so weak he was not a thread or worth killing. He would certainly make a very funny-looking wight. So in the end, his cowardice actually saved his life. Bravery is grossly overrated
Aye lol. The problem with heroes is that they are usually dead.
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Was hoping for some discussion about the latest episode and people are still fucking going on about that stupid scene =/
Zandar your English seems good enough that you should be able to work out what "dun goofed" means
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On May 07 2013 03:23 Reason wrote:Zandar your English seems good enough that you should be able to work out what "dun goofed" means
I guess I should
Urban dictionary says
When you have committed an act in which "consequences will never be the same again"
I can't make sense of it in the context he used it though.
Something like "they fucked up" ?
On May 07 2013 03:23 Reason wrote:
Was hoping for some discussion about the latest episode and people are still fucking going on about that stupid scene =/
There is a lot of talk about that sam thing and theon situation since we don't understand what's going on there I guess.
This episode most made sense to me. Not many questions here.
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Not sure if its annoying or hilarious how you guys are overinterpreting things. They just wanted to show the undead army with some cool shots, and Sam was near them to see them. Thats it.
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On May 07 2013 03:28 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:23 Reason wrote:Zandar your English seems good enough that you should be able to work out what "dun goofed" means I guess I should Urban dictionary says When you have committed an act in which "consequences will never be the same again" I can't make sense of it in the context he used it though. Something like "they fucked up" ? Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:23 Reason wrote:
Was hoping for some discussion about the latest episode and people are still fucking going on about that stupid scene =/
There is a lot of talk about that sam thing and theon situation since we don't understand what's going on there I guess. This episode most made sense to me. Not many questions here.
IMO It doesn't deserves much attention, the WW spared him, they've done it before, maybe they wanted to send a message, or didn't see sam as an enemy.
Sorry Off topic "Consequences will never be the same"
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it seems pretty obvious that arya will go really far, cant wait until she is a late teen and start ripping people apart. Now with the red witch and her scene it seems that she will kill at least 3 people. Would love to see joffrey vs arya, although joffrey seems to be good with a crossbow i think arya will win and take his head for her father.
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Wait guys... this maybe a little speculative, but I think the show gives some very subtle hints about it. What if Loras is gay?
I know it sound crazy specially because he was so close to such a manly individual as Renly, but I don't know, there's just something unusual about him.
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On May 07 2013 03:38 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Wait guys... this maybe a little speculative, but I think the show gives some very subtle hints about it. What if Loras is gay?
I know it sound crazy specially because he was so close to such a manly individual as Renly, but I don't know, there's just something unusual about him.
Is this some sort of weird meta-humor of which I am unfamiliar?
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