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On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:
What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live
That's something I'm sure they will explain later.
Maybe he has hidden powers he isn't aware of himself?
Sam once mentioned he wanted to be a wizard to Jon Snow and Jon started to laugh. Somewhere in season1 I think.
And since hardly any line of text in game of thrones is fluff, I'm sure this meant something and we will find out.
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On May 07 2013 00:36 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 12:32 Falling wrote:On May 06 2013 12:09 Mercurial wrote:
hmm did anyone notice what the fire priestess said to arya about the eyes she'll shut forever, namely brown, blue, and green don't those colours correspond to ilyn payne, cersei and joffrey? No. Why Ilyn Payne of all the characters we've seen so far? Edit (a 4 episode character) Who swung the blade that cut off Arya's father's head?
Just an executioner doing his job though. The one who ordered the execution is the one to blame imo.
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On May 07 2013 00:39 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:
What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live That's something I'm sure they will explain later. Maybe he has hidden powers he isn't aware of himself? Sam once mentioned he wanted to be a wizard to Jon Snow and Jon started to laugh. Somewhere in season1 I think. And since hardly any line of text in game of thrones is fluff, I'm sure this meant something and we will find out.
Maybe it's something to do with the dagger he picked up?
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On May 07 2013 00:03 Delphiki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 23:55 Sent. wrote:
Who is the oldest male member of Tyrell family? Is it Loras ? Mace Tyrell
We didn't see him yet though did we? I only recall him being mentioned by his mother.
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On May 07 2013 00:42 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:39 Zandar wrote:On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:
What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live That's something I'm sure they will explain later. Maybe he has hidden powers he isn't aware of himself? Sam once mentioned he wanted to be a wizard to Jon Snow and Jon started to laugh. Somewhere in season1 I think. And since hardly any line of text in game of thrones is fluff, I'm sure this meant something and we will find out. Maybe it's something to do with the dagger he picked up?
Oh that could be true too, it's dragonglass after all. Dragons are fire creatures, I can imagine a whitewalker doesn't want to go near that.
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On May 07 2013 00:36 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 12:32 Falling wrote:On May 06 2013 12:09 Mercurial wrote:
hmm did anyone notice what the fire priestess said to arya about the eyes she'll shut forever, namely brown, blue, and green don't those colours correspond to ilyn payne, cersei and joffrey? No. Why Ilyn Payne of all the characters we've seen so far? Edit (a 4 episode character) Who swung the blade that cut off Arya's father's head?
Talking about Ilyn Payne that guy the played him rock musician Wilko Johnson was diagnoed with terminal cancer earlier this year. Don't think he'll reprise his role .
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On May 07 2013 00:40 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:36 Barrin wrote:On May 06 2013 12:32 Falling wrote:On May 06 2013 12:09 Mercurial wrote:
hmm did anyone notice what the fire priestess said to arya about the eyes she'll shut forever, namely brown, blue, and green don't those colours correspond to ilyn payne, cersei and joffrey? No. Why Ilyn Payne of all the characters we've seen so far? Edit (a 4 episode character) Who swung the blade that cut off Arya's father's head? Just an executioner doing his job though. The one who ordered the execution is the one to blame imo.
she's a child, I don't think her hatred is logical.
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On May 07 2013 00:44 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:40 Zandar wrote:On May 07 2013 00:36 Barrin wrote:On May 06 2013 12:32 Falling wrote:On May 06 2013 12:09 Mercurial wrote:
hmm did anyone notice what the fire priestess said to arya about the eyes she'll shut forever, namely brown, blue, and green don't those colours correspond to ilyn payne, cersei and joffrey? No. Why Ilyn Payne of all the characters we've seen so far? Edit (a 4 episode character) Who swung the blade that cut off Arya's father's head? Just an executioner doing his job though. The one who ordered the execution is the one to blame imo. she's a child, I don't think her hatred is logical.
True. She could also have Tywin and Joffrey killed by Jaqen but decided to let him kill the torturer instead.
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On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 s3rp wrote:On May 06 2013 23:24 ZasZ. wrote:On May 06 2013 23:16 s3rp wrote:
How does Melisandre where Gendry is and that he is a bastard son of King Robert ? That was never properly explained she just randomly showed up and took him. I know she needs a Baratheon for something and they weren't going to introduce too many more characters but they still could've explained better how she randomly showed up at the Brotherhood and took a bastard son of Robert that wasn't known publically. Probably easily explained away by her seeing him in her fires. When you have an omnipotent superpower on your side, there is no such thing as plot holes. Maybe but it's a pretty cheap explaination . You doubt the lord of light? Since they all knew each other, it seems likely she knew how to find their location. What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live (and how he subsequently makes it past them back to his group). If A=Night's Watch, B=White Walkers, and C=Sam, the positions are A-B-C. How the hell does C get past B back to A?? That obsidian better have something to do with it or I lost some faith in the screen writers..
That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army.
The WW and wight army then moves to the Fist of The First Men and proceeds to slaughter the NW off screen, those who manage to survive and escape then run into Sam who is also running away.
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On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:
That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army.
That's an assumption. He could have seen him or not, that was not totally clear.
I think he saw him though, he really turned his head and looked for a while.
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I like Tywin more and more as the show goes on. He is such a strong and smart character. I like Tyrion because he is smart, I liked Drogo for his stong presence that put fear in the others, but man... Tywin kind of unite both. And the acting is so great, we feel the strength through Charles Dance eyes and voice.
Damn he owned Olena Tyrell in their scene, about the marriage of Cersei and Ser Loras, and the woman was owning every character that she had a conversation.
"It is a rare thing a man who lives up to his reputation"
-Olena Tyrell
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On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:On May 06 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 s3rp wrote:On May 06 2013 23:24 ZasZ. wrote:On May 06 2013 23:16 s3rp wrote:
How does Melisandre where Gendry is and that he is a bastard son of King Robert ? That was never properly explained she just randomly showed up and took him. I know she needs a Baratheon for something and they weren't going to introduce too many more characters but they still could've explained better how she randomly showed up at the Brotherhood and took a bastard son of Robert that wasn't known publically. Probably easily explained away by her seeing him in her fires. When you have an omnipotent superpower on your side, there is no such thing as plot holes. Maybe but it's a pretty cheap explaination . You doubt the lord of light? Since they all knew each other, it seems likely she knew how to find their location. What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live (and how he subsequently makes it past them back to his group). If A=Night's Watch, B=White Walkers, and C=Sam, the positions are A-B-C. How the hell does C get past B back to A?? That obsidian better have something to do with it or I lost some faith in the screen writers.. That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army. The WW and wight army then moves to the Fist of The First Men and proceeds to slaughter the NW off screen, those who manage to survive and escape then run into Sam who is also running away.
The Sam scene was added to remind the audience of Dagger or whatever this is he found , would be my guess. Looks like this will play a role in the future.
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Interesting episode. Just a bunch of character development and information. Not really surprised though since the next episode was written by Martin himself. IIRC, the episode that preceded the one he wrote in season 2 also didn't have too much main story happening.
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On May 07 2013 00:44 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:36 Barrin wrote:On May 06 2013 12:32 Falling wrote:On May 06 2013 12:09 Mercurial wrote:
hmm did anyone notice what the fire priestess said to arya about the eyes she'll shut forever, namely brown, blue, and green don't those colours correspond to ilyn payne, cersei and joffrey? No. Why Ilyn Payne of all the characters we've seen so far? Edit (a 4 episode character) Who swung the blade that cut off Arya's father's head? Talking about Ilyn Payne that guy the played him rock musician Wilko Johnson was diagnoed with terminal cancer earlier this year. Don't think he'll reprise his role .
That is quite sad 
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On May 07 2013 00:56 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:On May 06 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 s3rp wrote:On May 06 2013 23:24 ZasZ. wrote:On May 06 2013 23:16 s3rp wrote:
How does Melisandre where Gendry is and that he is a bastard son of King Robert ? That was never properly explained she just randomly showed up and took him. I know she needs a Baratheon for something and they weren't going to introduce too many more characters but they still could've explained better how she randomly showed up at the Brotherhood and took a bastard son of Robert that wasn't known publically. Probably easily explained away by her seeing him in her fires. When you have an omnipotent superpower on your side, there is no such thing as plot holes. Maybe but it's a pretty cheap explaination . You doubt the lord of light? Since they all knew each other, it seems likely she knew how to find their location. What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live (and how he subsequently makes it past them back to his group). If A=Night's Watch, B=White Walkers, and C=Sam, the positions are A-B-C. How the hell does C get past B back to A?? That obsidian better have something to do with it or I lost some faith in the screen writers.. That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army. The WW and wight army then moves to the Fist of The First Men and proceeds to slaughter the NW off screen, those who manage to survive and escape then run into Sam who is also running away. The Sam scene was added to remind the audience of Dagger or whatever this is he found , would be my guess. Looks like this will play a role in the future.
but didnt he found the dagger in S3, after the WW scene?
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On May 07 2013 00:59 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:56 s3rp wrote:On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:On May 06 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 s3rp wrote:On May 06 2013 23:24 ZasZ. wrote:On May 06 2013 23:16 s3rp wrote:
How does Melisandre where Gendry is and that he is a bastard son of King Robert ? That was never properly explained she just randomly showed up and took him. I know she needs a Baratheon for something and they weren't going to introduce too many more characters but they still could've explained better how she randomly showed up at the Brotherhood and took a bastard son of Robert that wasn't known publically. Probably easily explained away by her seeing him in her fires. When you have an omnipotent superpower on your side, there is no such thing as plot holes. Maybe but it's a pretty cheap explaination . You doubt the lord of light? Since they all knew each other, it seems likely she knew how to find their location. What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live (and how he subsequently makes it past them back to his group). If A=Night's Watch, B=White Walkers, and C=Sam, the positions are A-B-C. How the hell does C get past B back to A?? That obsidian better have something to do with it or I lost some faith in the screen writers.. That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army. The WW and wight army then moves to the Fist of The First Men and proceeds to slaughter the NW off screen, those who manage to survive and escape then run into Sam who is also running away. The Sam scene was added to remind the audience of Dagger or whatever this is he found , would be my guess. Looks like this will play a role in the future. but didnt he found the dagger in S3, after the WW scene?
Ehhh i don't know ^^
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On May 07 2013 00:59 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:56 s3rp wrote:On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:On May 06 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 s3rp wrote:On May 06 2013 23:24 ZasZ. wrote:On May 06 2013 23:16 s3rp wrote:
How does Melisandre where Gendry is and that he is a bastard son of King Robert ? That was never properly explained she just randomly showed up and took him. I know she needs a Baratheon for something and they weren't going to introduce too many more characters but they still could've explained better how she randomly showed up at the Brotherhood and took a bastard son of Robert that wasn't known publically. Probably easily explained away by her seeing him in her fires. When you have an omnipotent superpower on your side, there is no such thing as plot holes. Maybe but it's a pretty cheap explaination . You doubt the lord of light? Since they all knew each other, it seems likely she knew how to find their location. What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live (and how he subsequently makes it past them back to his group). If A=Night's Watch, B=White Walkers, and C=Sam, the positions are A-B-C. How the hell does C get past B back to A?? That obsidian better have something to do with it or I lost some faith in the screen writers.. That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army. The WW and wight army then moves to the Fist of The First Men and proceeds to slaughter the NW off screen, those who manage to survive and escape then run into Sam who is also running away. The Sam scene was added to remind the audience of Dagger or whatever this is he found , would be my guess. Looks like this will play a role in the future. but didnt he found the dagger in S3, after the WW scene?
I think there was a scene S2 where he was digging up hidden loot and found it there.
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On May 07 2013 01:00 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:59 misirlou wrote:On May 07 2013 00:56 s3rp wrote:On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:On May 07 2013 00:17 kamicom wrote:On May 06 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote:On May 06 2013 23:39 s3rp wrote:On May 06 2013 23:24 ZasZ. wrote:On May 06 2013 23:16 s3rp wrote:
How does Melisandre where Gendry is and that he is a bastard son of King Robert ? That was never properly explained she just randomly showed up and took him. I know she needs a Baratheon for something and they weren't going to introduce too many more characters but they still could've explained better how she randomly showed up at the Brotherhood and took a bastard son of Robert that wasn't known publically. Probably easily explained away by her seeing him in her fires. When you have an omnipotent superpower on your side, there is no such thing as plot holes. Maybe but it's a pretty cheap explaination . You doubt the lord of light? Since they all knew each other, it seems likely she knew how to find their location. What bothered me more is that no one still came up with a good answer why the whitewalkers just let the tubby Sam live (and how he subsequently makes it past them back to his group). If A=Night's Watch, B=White Walkers, and C=Sam, the positions are A-B-C. How the hell does C get past B back to A?? That obsidian better have something to do with it or I lost some faith in the screen writers.. That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army. The WW and wight army then moves to the Fist of The First Men and proceeds to slaughter the NW off screen, those who manage to survive and escape then run into Sam who is also running away. The Sam scene was added to remind the audience of Dagger or whatever this is he found , would be my guess. Looks like this will play a role in the future. but didnt he found the dagger in S3, after the WW scene? Ehhh i don't know ^^
not calling you out or anything, open question to everyone who spoke about the dagger. Im not sure about the timeline but I believe it was indeed after the ww scene
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On May 07 2013 00:50 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:48 CrimsonLotus wrote:
That Sam scene was just added for dramatic effect, the WW never actually sees him and he's behind their advancing army.
That's an assumption. He could have seen him or not, that was not totally clear. I think he saw him though, he really turned his head and looked for a while.
Ok, I just looked at the scene again and it can only be explained one way: the show writers dun goofed.
He's clearily in the middle of the horde, while it's not impossible for WW to spare humans for whatever reason (see S1EP1) this time they were clearily launching a deliberate attack on the NW. Even if the dagger is a powerful weapon against them and/or wights it makes no sense to let him live (and continue to be a threat) when he's surrounded by hundreds of their minions. If he's somehow "special" and is spared because of it, then why a wight would attack him later on?
Non logical scene added for dramatic purposes, that's all.
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On May 07 2013 00:58 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 00:44 s3rp wrote:On May 07 2013 00:36 Barrin wrote:On May 06 2013 12:32 Falling wrote:On May 06 2013 12:09 Mercurial wrote:
hmm did anyone notice what the fire priestess said to arya about the eyes she'll shut forever, namely brown, blue, and green don't those colours correspond to ilyn payne, cersei and joffrey? No. Why Ilyn Payne of all the characters we've seen so far? Edit (a 4 episode character) Who swung the blade that cut off Arya's father's head? Talking about Ilyn Payne that guy the played him rock musician Wilko Johnson was diagnoed with terminal cancer earlier this year. Don't think he'll reprise his role . That is quite sad
Yeah sad stuff . Found out when i had to remind me who Ilyn Payne was after todays episode. He's chose not to get treatment because of how far the cancer had already advanded and is currently on his farewell tour .
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