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Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland753 Posts
June 05 2012 03:36 GMT
#11541
On June 05 2012 10:28 kamicom wrote:
Can someone explain to me why Samwell (the fat guy) doesn't get killed after being spotted by the White Walker at the end of the season finale?


Plot armor !

(At least I'd guess that unless Sam is supposed to have some special revelation later in the show)
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TeePee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 04:39:18
June 05 2012 04:37 GMT
#11542
On June 05 2012 12:36 Talaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 10:28 kamicom wrote:
Can someone explain to me why Samwell (the fat guy) doesn't get killed after being spotted by the White Walker at the end of the season finale?


Plot armor !

(At least I'd guess that unless Sam is supposed to have some special revelation later in the show)


Samwell and the guy in the first ep that ned stark beheaded both didn't have any fight in them. Maybe the white walkers are actually cleansing the evil people of westeros? The white walkers also gazed into the both of them before moving on.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 04:47:27
June 05 2012 04:46 GMT
#11543
On June 05 2012 07:21 Mentalizor wrote:
Well, I guess I have to buy the books. Can I jump right into the 3rd book now... or?

During season 2 I've read AGOT and I'm at the end of ACOK. Though it might take time familiarizing yourself with the characters (mostly names, families, the map), you could start at book 3 right away. Book 2 had a very slow start with TONS of background from book 1. I doubt book 3 is any different. And if you liked season 2, you have an idea of what is going on and you haven't missed all that much compared to the books. If you feel like going back and reading them, they will be there. Though you'll probably skip a lot because you know what's going to happen and it feels like a chore. The fun is in the plot twists and cliffhangers. I would recommend you start at book 3.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
June 05 2012 05:13 GMT
#11544
On June 05 2012 07:30 Seth_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 06:38 Spykiller wrote:
a friend of mine suggested that the horn you heard from outside was one of the ironborn, and that they used him to fool theon into thinking they were surrounded. so that they could escape alive, but this doesent make sense to me.

That seems possible. Yara tells Theon to leave. He doesn't want to. Yara plays a prank on him by pretending to have surrounded the castle.
After the 20 guys walk out of Winterfell to surrender. Yara takes Theon back home and burns down Winterfell before they leave.

Alternative: Winterfell was actually surrounded. Yara decided to go back and help out Theon. A supprise attack at night would kill quite a lot of soldiers. Same ending.


Theon said he saw all 500 men surrounding him on the gates.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 05 2012 07:34 GMT
#11545
On June 05 2012 11:11 fabiano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:21 Mentalizor wrote:
Well, I guess I have to buy the books. Can I jump right into the 3rd book now... or?


NO, DO NOT DO THIS!

Begin reading from book 1, you will have a blast! Besides you will miss a lot of the storyline if you go directly into book 3, even if you watched all series so far.


I'd personally start from book 2.
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Imbattable
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany85 Posts
June 05 2012 07:43 GMT
#11546
On June 05 2012 12:36 Talaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 10:28 kamicom wrote:
Can someone explain to me why Samwell (the fat guy) doesn't get killed after being spotted by the White Walker at the end of the season finale?


Plot armor !

(At least I'd guess that unless Sam is supposed to have some special revelation later in the show)


Except that with Martin, there should be no plot armor xD
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 07:57:25
June 05 2012 07:56 GMT
#11547
white walkers detest all life but they are also intelligent species, so there was a reason for sure. most likely, they saw he was no threat to them, spread the word, leave him for later.. we'll see in s3 for sure
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Smat
Profile Joined January 2011
United States301 Posts
June 05 2012 08:40 GMT
#11548
On June 05 2012 13:46 Emon_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:21 Mentalizor wrote:
Well, I guess I have to buy the books. Can I jump right into the 3rd book now... or?

During season 2 I've read AGOT and I'm at the end of ACOK. Though it might take time familiarizing yourself with the characters (mostly names, families, the map), you could start at book 3 right away. Book 2 had a very slow start with TONS of background from book 1. I doubt book 3 is any different. And if you liked season 2, you have an idea of what is going on and you haven't missed all that much compared to the books. If you feel like going back and reading them, they will be there. Though you'll probably skip a lot because you know what's going to happen and it feels like a chore. The fun is in the plot twists and cliffhangers. I would recommend you start at book 3.


Why not just skim through all 5 of them? I am sure you will be able to pick up on the main plot twists. And for the cliff hangers you can just read the last few pages of each chapter.

Who the fuck recommends skipping multiple books of a series, seriously? Ya you could do it, but why would you want to unless you have a ridiculously short attention span.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
June 05 2012 09:08 GMT
#11549
i dont think you guys give sansa enough credit, she is in the lion's den. she has to do what's necessary to survive.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
June 05 2012 09:24 GMT
#11550
On June 05 2012 18:08 Sprouter wrote:
i dont think you guys give sansa enough credit, she is in the lion's den. she has to do what's necessary to survive.


She's not very interesting though. She's just the archetype of a medieval damsel in distress.
She hasn't really done anything anyway, apart from saying that she loves Joffrey and crying, has she? I'm not saying that she's expected to do anything else, but she's still not a very interesting character.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
June 05 2012 09:30 GMT
#11551
On June 05 2012 08:17 FubsyGamr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:30 Seth_ wrote:
On June 05 2012 06:38 Spykiller wrote:
a friend of mine suggested that the horn you heard from outside was one of the ironborn, and that they used him to fool theon into thinking they were surrounded. so that they could escape alive, but this doesent make sense to me.

That seems possible. Yara tells Theon to leave. He doesn't want to. Yara plays a prank on him by pretending to have surrounded the castle.
After the 20 guys walk out of Winterfell to surrender. Yara takes Theon back home and burns down Winterfell before they leave.

Alternative: Winterfell was actually surrounded. Yara decided to go back and help out Theon. A supprise attack at night would kill quite a lot of soldiers. Same ending.

Nah remember how Theon even says something along the lines of "I don't need the hornblower telling me I'm surrounded, I went out there and looked, saw it for myself!"


If the army outside is Stark, then they're supposed to be 100, maybe a little more, but 500 is a lot more than expected. The bastard was specifically told to raise 100 swords...
And even then, it's illogical to leave 20 ironborn sack Robb's city and slay all occupiants along with the maester and the two young Starks only in exchange for Theon.
My take is that the Greyjoy family maybe wanted to test Theon, or that Yara came back and defeated the sieging forces, sacked Winterfell and took her brother with her.
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
One Student
Profile Joined April 2011
73 Posts
June 05 2012 09:41 GMT
#11552
Damn I can't wait for season 3. I'm thinking about jumping in book 3 right away. I don't think I can read the previous books, seems like more work. I don't enjoy reading novels, haven't read a novel in my life, I get bored fast and always forget the names of everyone (too many damn names >:[ ). Maybe I'll start with this one and see how it goes. Just wondering if the previous books are so damn crucial before book 3? If so, I guess I'll just wait till season 3.
Depression is what you get for leading a repetitive life.
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
June 05 2012 09:46 GMT
#11553
Oh... no .gifs from the season finale?
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VirtuallyJesse
Profile Joined February 2011
United States398 Posts
June 05 2012 09:47 GMT
#11554
On June 05 2012 18:46 Mentalizor wrote:
Oh... no .gifs from the season finale?

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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8150 Posts
June 05 2012 09:47 GMT
#11555
On June 05 2012 18:41 One Student wrote:
Damn I can't wait for season 3. I'm thinking about jumping in book 3 right away. I don't think I can read the previous books, seems like more work. I don't enjoy reading novels, haven't read a novel in my life, I get bored fast and always forget the names of everyone (too many damn names >:[ ). Maybe I'll start with this one and see how it goes. Just wondering if the previous books are so damn crucial before book 3? If so, I guess I'll just wait till season 3.


They're very different from the show. A lot more people, a lot more happening, and a lot more plotlines. Some of them carry over from the previous books. Altough I still think you should be able to pick up book nr 3 right away if you've seen the first two seasons. But there might be a couple of points where you'll be confused I think.
wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 06:14:30
June 05 2012 09:50 GMT
#11556
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Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 10:07:00
June 05 2012 10:03 GMT
#11557
On June 05 2012 18:30 Kukaracha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 08:17 FubsyGamr wrote:
On June 05 2012 07:30 Seth_ wrote:
On June 05 2012 06:38 Spykiller wrote:
a friend of mine suggested that the horn you heard from outside was one of the ironborn, and that they used him to fool theon into thinking they were surrounded. so that they could escape alive, but this doesent make sense to me.

That seems possible. Yara tells Theon to leave. He doesn't want to. Yara plays a prank on him by pretending to have surrounded the castle.
After the 20 guys walk out of Winterfell to surrender. Yara takes Theon back home and burns down Winterfell before they leave.

Alternative: Winterfell was actually surrounded. Yara decided to go back and help out Theon. A supprise attack at night would kill quite a lot of soldiers. Same ending.

Nah remember how Theon even says something along the lines of "I don't need the hornblower telling me I'm surrounded, I went out there and looked, saw it for myself!"


If the army outside is Stark, then they're supposed to be 100, maybe a little more, but 500 is a lot more than expected. The bastard was specifically told to raise 100 swords...
And even then, it's illogical to leave 20 ironborn sack Robb's city and slay all occupiants along with the maester and the two young Starks only in exchange for Theon.
My take is that the Greyjoy family maybe wanted to test Theon, or that Yara came back and defeated the sieging forces, sacked Winterfell and took her brother with her.


Well obviously more would've come to defend Winterfell. It's their capitol after all. Also he was guesstimating after taking a look over the wall. It's not an ideal position to be counting heads in. Especially as you know these people will kill you in a very close future.
He would however have noticed if the people outside were iron islanders. They have their uniform after all. It wouldn't seem likely that his sister's entire army dressed up to Stark men in order to fool Theon for some twisted reason.


On June 05 2012 18:50 wangstra wrote:
What I'd like to know is who's brain was saddled with shit and made the short circuited idea to limit each season to 10 episode. It's probably the one of the most injurious aspects of this show.


Isn't pretty much every HBO show 10 episodes per season with each episode being 1 hour?
I've only watched the WW2 one and the Iraq war one (can't remember the names), but they were both 10 episodes iirc.
Imo it's worked out quite nicely. They're obviously following the books, so it'd be interesting to hear the opinion of someone who's read the books.
Still I'd much much much much rather have it this way, than having a cinema film that's only two hours.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 10:05:43
June 05 2012 10:04 GMT
#11558
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"Having your own haters means you are famous"
ZooG
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden618 Posts
June 05 2012 10:54 GMT
#11559
On June 05 2012 19:03 Euronyme wrote:
Isn't pretty much every HBO show 10 episodes per season with each episode being 1 hour?
I've only watched the WW2 one and the Iraq war one (can't remember the names), but they were both 10 episodes iirc.
Imo it's worked out quite nicely. They're obviously following the books, so it'd be interesting to hear the opinion of someone who's read the books.
Still I'd much much much much rather have it this way, than having a cinema film that's only two hours.


That would be Band of Brothers (WW2) and Generation Kill (Iraq war) i guess?

Cant wait for season 3 of GoT tho.
"Rain, also a name for a meteorological condition" -Artosis
Iranon
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States983 Posts
June 05 2012 11:06 GMT
#11560
On June 05 2012 16:34 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 11:11 fabiano wrote:
On June 05 2012 07:21 Mentalizor wrote:
Well, I guess I have to buy the books. Can I jump right into the 3rd book now... or?


NO, DO NOT DO THIS!

Begin reading from book 1, you will have a blast! Besides you will miss a lot of the storyline if you go directly into book 3, even if you watched all series so far.


I'd personally start from book 2.


Agreed. Season 1 was so close to GoT that you don't really need to read the first book, although I do recommend it highly (hey, you've got a whole year before season 3, so why not). It will immensely deepen your knowledge of the world, but you didn't miss any important plot stuff there. Book two and season 2 have significant differences -- mostly ones that were cut for the sake of condensing the book to 10 hours of film, but they're really important for the character development of certain people. Obviously me going into more detail would not be appropriate in this thread, but book 2 and season 2 are different enough that you should read it to get the full effect the series has to offer.
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