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On May 04 2012 11:09 hugedong wrote:
GRRM already told the guys who made the show all the main points to the rest of the story in case he gets hit by a bus or has a heart attack.
I'm sure there's some kind of outline in his notes someplace a la JRR Tolkien.
His son pieced the Silmarilion together after JRR died. I'm sure it would have been 1000x better had he completed it himself.
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There is absolutely no way that the TV series is going to go off on its own. That is the one thing guaranteed to cause a shitstorm that would threaten its popularity.
Especially for the final season.
They will wait for GRRM if that is what is necessary.
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Seriously, the child actors can't just freeze their age and wait for GRRM. Think before you write stuff like that. They are producing a TV-show based on a book, that doesn't mean they have to follow everything that's in the book (and they clearly aren't following the books to 100%). I definitely think they would continue with the story before the seventh book rather than they would replace half of the cast because of aging (and even death could be a factor for the older actors).
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On May 04 2012 11:41 DeepElemBlues wrote:
There is absolutely no way that the TV series is going to go off on its own. That is the one thing guaranteed to cause a shitstorm that would threaten its popularity.
Especially for the final season.
They will wait for GRRM if that is what is necessary.
Can they really wait? You can't guarantee all the actors will be available when you resume and the kids and teens will be all grown up by then. It's a scary thought.
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The series and books both already portray the early-mid teenage years as being "adult" both in a legal, social, and (through implication) sexual sense, including physical appearance, so I think the concerns of you two are mostly unfounded. Actors potentially being unavailable is pure conjecture. I think you guys are just grasping at straws to justify mostly overwrought concerns. And, unlikely as it is, GRRM could finish both the final books in the next 5-7 years so there wouldn't be any delay or only a delay of one year for the final season.
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From what I understand the reason AFFC and ADWD took so long was because he originally indented to skip over the period of time they cover then cover those events as flashbacks/memories. For some reason (publishers wanted more books or something) he had to actually write those books, so there was a lot of material (and writing time) that needed to get scrapped. So I don't think 6 years/book is a good metric to assume for future books.
Also I feel like his HBO contract says something about finishing the books before the series catches up. So worst case would be the last book being a bit rushed.
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Just started watching this its so damn good.
But talk about the phonecall no female actress wants to get.
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On May 04 2012 12:15 scudst0rm wrote:
From what I understand the reason AFFC and ADWD took so long was because he originally indented to skip over the period of time they cover then cover those events as flashbacks/memories. For some reason (publishers wanted more books or something) he had to actually write those books, so there was a lot of material (and writing time) that needed to get scrapped. So I don't think 6 years/book is a good metric to assume for future books.
Also I feel like his HBO contract says something about finishing the books before the series catches up. So worst case would be the last book being a bit rushed.
ADWD was meant to take next to no time. In the preface to the book before it he explained that he'd written all the POVs but it was too big for a single book so he divided the characters up into two groups which he would divide into two books with a roughly simultaneous timeline. The impression he gave was that it was pretty much ready to go, it took six years.
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On May 04 2012 23:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
Just started watching this its so damn good.
But talk about the phonecall no female actress wants to get.
Show a bit of skin, make bank. I think most actress would be delighted, I know I would.
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On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned?
There is a series of short stories set in the same world by GRRM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_Dunk_and_Egg
Its been a long time since I read them but IIRC they don't spoil anything from the books. Events in the stories happen a hundred years or so before the books take place.
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I dont think the show splitting from the books is that much of a concern. They are splitting book 3 into 2 seasons. Then book 4 and 5 should be combined for the TV show...they can easily get 2-3 more seasons out of that. Assuming the show even goes on that long its gonna be like 5-6 years until they get to Winds of Winter material which wouldve already been out by then. With the popularity of the series exploding he's not gonna wait so many years between books anymore. Hopefully it doesnt lead to books feeling rushed but thats a seperate topic.
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Time does not run the same in their world as it does in ours. I think they could use that to explain away why the child actors have grown up.
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On May 05 2012 00:10 ShmeeZZy wrote:
Time does not run the same in their world as it does in ours. I think they could use that to explain away why the child actors have grown up.
wait a second, did i miss something?
why do you think there is a difference?
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On May 05 2012 00:17 Acer1791 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:10 ShmeeZZy wrote:
Time does not run the same in their world as it does in ours. I think they could use that to explain away why the child actors have grown up. wait a second, did i miss something? why do you think there is a difference?
I guess he's reffering to the fact that their winters and summers are highly irregular.
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Yeah how the hell do they even count time in years, when there's no seasons?
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With days, like we do?
We don't use Ice Ages, why should they use their winters.
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On May 05 2012 00:39 zimms wrote:
With days, like we do?
We don't use Ice Ages, why should they use their winters.
our seasons are based on the orbit of the sun around the earth, which in turn, is what gives rise to seasons. Even with Ice ages there is a regular and predictable change in climate and (more importantly) a predictable and regular change in the length of days. It is a completely valid question. It's not like we just pulled 365 days/year out of our butts, so why should we expect the people of Westeros to just decide on an arbitrary number of days per year.
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On May 05 2012 00:46 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:39 zimms wrote:
With days, like we do?
We don't use Ice Ages, why should they use their winters. our seasons are based on the orbit of the sun around the earth, which in turn, is what gives rise to seasons. Even with Ice ages there is a regular and predictable change in climate and (more importantly) a predictable and regular change in the length of days. It is a completely valid question. It's not like we just pulled 365 days/year out of our butts, so why should we expect the people of Westeros to just decide on an arbitrary number of days per year.
100years/century, 1000years/millenium, 7days/week, 24hours/day, 60sec/min, 60min/hr. These numbers may as well have been pulled out of our butts (yes ancient number systems and all that, but who says a base 365 number system wasn't in use at some point in this universe?). I see nothing to suggest that they have anything consistent to measure time by longer than a day, so if they don't want to deal with ridicolously large numbers when referencing something 1000 years back, then it is convenient to just choose an arbitrary larger unit of time. In this case they conveniently choose something like 365days/year which helps us relate. Any other number would seem just as arbitrary so why not choose the one that makes it easier on the readers?
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bringing you all full circle to the debate of their ages, because you're forcing them to have years that are similar to ours, otherwise their ages would be arbitrary numbers with no meaning to you.
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On May 04 2012 11:47 Back wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 11:41 DeepElemBlues wrote:
There is absolutely no way that the TV series is going to go off on its own. That is the one thing guaranteed to cause a shitstorm that would threaten its popularity.
Especially for the final season.
They will wait for GRRM if that is what is necessary. Can they really wait? You can't guarantee all the actors will be available when you resume and the kids and teens will be all grown up by then. It's a scary thought.
Just to off-topic about the kids part, I wouldn't mind if the 'timeline' of the show stretched farther, as in the characters being older in the season compared to the corresponding books. It would be cool to see them 'grow up' as it were, and I don't think it could really have any negative impacts on the story.
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