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On April 04 2012 08:58 Aelfric wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:37 Zelniq wrote:On April 04 2012 07:03 Coal wrote:EP 2 + Show Spoiler + Man this episode was pretty dope :O One question though, the thing that ate the baby at the end, was that a wolf/werewolf? Ep 2 + Show Spoiler +judging by the other rare glimpses we've seen, it was one of the Others, aka white-walkers + Show Spoiler +yeah i've seen the blue eyes too, it was definitely white walkers. assuming he was breeding with her daughters just to give the every male baby to the others so that they won't attack his tribe but it increases the walker population too... But really what bugs my mind is that why hbo do this releasing episodes 1 week earlier politic? I mean they obviously know that for a show like got it will be released on illegal places and all the fans who cannot wait for another week will watch it thus might mean less wievers for the actual release date? That could really reduce the ad income you know. I just don't get the idea behind it? Why do they sacrifice the serious amount of money for more hbo go subscribes or something?
they already said they aren't going to release them 1 week early anymore, it was a mistake
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I am thinking about reading the first book after extremely enjoying the first season. What do you guys think, would the books still be entertaining for me after knowing how things turn out because of the tv series? Since I do not read that much(I do enjoy reading, but starcraft takes some time too :D) I am not too sure whether I should buy the book or not.
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The TV series skipped alot of content cause of time contraints so I would recommend reading the book ;]
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On April 04 2012 18:06 zolii wrote:
The TV series skipped alot of content cause of time contraints so I would recommend reading the book ;]
Thank you, this is all I wanted to hear^^
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I had totally forgotten how complicated everything was.
Also, I almost thought there wouldn't be any boobies in this episode. Scandalous!
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On April 04 2012 18:51 Scorch wrote:
I had totally forgotten how complicated everything was.
Also, I almost thought there wouldn't be any boobies in this episode. Scandalous!
some of it scared me. that chick on the boat? scary stuff. Melissandre made it all better however 
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So I've been watching season 1 recently and like everyone else started watching season 2 this Sunday. With 2 episodes released, it only confirms one of my thoughts about the show. But I'd like other peoples opinion on that.
+ Show Spoiler +In season 1, I already had the feeling the show would give much importance to female characters. We had Cersei Lannister, Lady Stark, and Daenerys being at the very center of the plot. In season 2 women even get more importance, with the appearance of this kinda priestess that is "guiding" Stannis, the whore accompanying Tyrion (which in my opinion is one of Little Fingers' girls), and probably the Graejoy daughter. I believe it's great that a story whose plot revolves mostly around politics, conspiracy and manipulation in medieval times' go his fair share of important female character. Not that women should be associated with corruption and manipulation (or maybe ....  ) but just because medieval stories tend to focus on men at war when there is often much more to it: powerful women behind every powerful men for example. In season 2, I feel like women are taking power over the men. Beside the kingboy who treats them like shit, all other women are becoming leading figures and the new ones we are discovering already are leading figures. In fact the only man who seems to be handling is shit right now and who is'nt totally under the influence of a women is probably the Imp (even though that whore with him probably got a few tricks planned). My main question here is: is this importance of female characters something that's been added/developed for the show or is it like this too in the book (it could somehow be understandable that in order to attract a wider audience, the production decides to modify the story to make women more important)? And now a bit more fantasy/fanfiction: how about we reach a point were all men slaughtered each others at war, Daenerys arrives on her flying dragons and unites all the women of the world to face the White Walkers? Girl power ending ... ? No .... Seemed fun ...
PS: I'm not asking for information about what happens further in the book but about how close to the original story, things that were already shown, actually are.
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On April 04 2012 19:36 Emix_Squall wrote:So I've been watching season 1 recently and like everyone else started watching season 2 this Sunday. With 2 episodes released, it only confirms one of my thoughts about the show. But I'd like other peoples opinion on that. + Show Spoiler +In season 1, I already had the feeling the show would give much importance to female characters. We had Cersei Lannister, Lady Stark, and Daenerys being at the very center of the plot. In season 2 women even get more importance, with the appearance of this kinda priestess that is "guiding" Stannis, the whore accompanying Tyrion (which in my opinion is one of Little Fingers' girls), and probably the Graejoy daughter. I believe it's great that a story whose plot revolves mostly around politics, conspiracy and manipulation in medieval times' go his fair share of important female character. Not that women should be associated with corruption and manipulation (or maybe .... ) but just because medieval stories tend to focus on men at war when there is often much more to it: powerful women behind every powerful men for example. In season 2, I feel like women are taking power over the men. Beside the kingboy who treats them like shit, all other women are becoming leading figures and the new ones we are discovering already are leading figures. In fact the only man who seems to be handling is shit right now and who is'nt totally under the influence of a women is probably the Imp (even though that whore with him probably got a few tricks planned). My main question here is: is this importance of female characters something that's been added/developed for the show or is it like this too in the book (it could somehow be understandable that in order to attract a wider audience, the production decides to modify the story to make women more important)? And now a bit more fantasy/fanfiction: how about we reach a point were all men slaughtered each others at war, Daenerys arrives on her flying dragons and unites all the women of the world to face the White Walkers? Girl power ending ... ? No .... Seemed fun ... PS: I'm not asking for information about what happens further in the book but about how close to the original story, things that were already shown, actually are.
There are no major changes from the books.
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On April 04 2012 18:04 KainiT wrote:
I am thinking about reading the first book after extremely enjoying the first season. What do you guys think, would the books still be entertaining for me after knowing how things turn out because of the tv series? Since I do not read that much(I do enjoy reading, but starcraft takes some time too :D) I am not too sure whether I should buy the book or not.
Season 1 is a very true adaptation of the book, but the book is far richer, with a huge backstory that the show could never hope to encompass. The show brings the story to life, but on a realistic budget. Everything is bigger and more imaginative in the books.
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The only real difference between the books and the TV-series is the feeling of nostalgia for the past that seems present in many of the characters.
You don't get to hear much about Rhaegar for example. Other than that, it is just as good as the books, better at times.
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Yeah history and inner monologues are the only notable things that are missing from the TV.
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On April 04 2012 21:59 zalz wrote:
The only real difference between the books and the TV-series is the feeling of nostalgia for the past that seems present in many of the characters.
You don't get to hear much about Rhaegar for example. Other than that, it is just as good as the books, better at times.
There are also dozens of recurring characters with stories that slowly unfold, but in the show they only appear as anonymous extras in the background, casted and dressed for a part, but they have no lines, or they were completely omitted.
The books are big. GRRM's style is to introduce a character in book 1, put him on the Kingsroad for a book or two, and then bring him back as a villain.
HBO will probably get around to the Rhaegar backstory, but they have lots of time to figure it out.
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Episode 2 was great! You can dl the dothraki parts from subtitles website, just check the torrent comments.
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On April 04 2012 08:58 Aelfric wrote:
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But really what bugs my mind is that why hbo do this releasing episodes 1 week earlier politic? I mean they obviously know that for a show like got it will be released on illegal places and all the fans who cannot wait for another week will watch it thus might mean less wievers for the actual release date? That could really reduce the ad income you know. I just don't get the idea behind it? Why do they sacrifice the serious amount of money for more hbo go subscribes or something?
Lol HBO has ad-revenue? Do enlighten me.
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On April 04 2012 19:47 Maxie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 19:36 Emix_Squall wrote:So I've been watching season 1 recently and like everyone else started watching season 2 this Sunday. With 2 episodes released, it only confirms one of my thoughts about the show. But I'd like other peoples opinion on that. + Show Spoiler +In season 1, I already had the feeling the show would give much importance to female characters. We had Cersei Lannister, Lady Stark, and Daenerys being at the very center of the plot. In season 2 women even get more importance, with the appearance of this kinda priestess that is "guiding" Stannis, the whore accompanying Tyrion (which in my opinion is one of Little Fingers' girls), and probably the Graejoy daughter. I believe it's great that a story whose plot revolves mostly around politics, conspiracy and manipulation in medieval times' go his fair share of important female character. Not that women should be associated with corruption and manipulation (or maybe .... ) but just because medieval stories tend to focus on men at war when there is often much more to it: powerful women behind every powerful men for example. In season 2, I feel like women are taking power over the men. Beside the kingboy who treats them like shit, all other women are becoming leading figures and the new ones we are discovering already are leading figures. In fact the only man who seems to be handling is shit right now and who is'nt totally under the influence of a women is probably the Imp (even though that whore with him probably got a few tricks planned). My main question here is: is this importance of female characters something that's been added/developed for the show or is it like this too in the book (it could somehow be understandable that in order to attract a wider audience, the production decides to modify the story to make women more important)? And now a bit more fantasy/fanfiction: how about we reach a point were all men slaughtered each others at war, Daenerys arrives on her flying dragons and unites all the women of the world to face the White Walkers? Girl power ending ... ? No .... Seemed fun ... PS: I'm not asking for information about what happens further in the book but about how close to the original story, things that were already shown, actually are. There are no major changes from the books.
there are PLENTY of major changes, they're just not that noticable on first glance. It's why GRRM has been talking about butterfly effects and how the later seasons could end up being very different from the books.
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On April 04 2012 23:55 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 19:47 Maxie wrote:On April 04 2012 19:36 Emix_Squall wrote:So I've been watching season 1 recently and like everyone else started watching season 2 this Sunday. With 2 episodes released, it only confirms one of my thoughts about the show. But I'd like other peoples opinion on that. + Show Spoiler +In season 1, I already had the feeling the show would give much importance to female characters. We had Cersei Lannister, Lady Stark, and Daenerys being at the very center of the plot. In season 2 women even get more importance, with the appearance of this kinda priestess that is "guiding" Stannis, the whore accompanying Tyrion (which in my opinion is one of Little Fingers' girls), and probably the Graejoy daughter. I believe it's great that a story whose plot revolves mostly around politics, conspiracy and manipulation in medieval times' go his fair share of important female character. Not that women should be associated with corruption and manipulation (or maybe .... ) but just because medieval stories tend to focus on men at war when there is often much more to it: powerful women behind every powerful men for example. In season 2, I feel like women are taking power over the men. Beside the kingboy who treats them like shit, all other women are becoming leading figures and the new ones we are discovering already are leading figures. In fact the only man who seems to be handling is shit right now and who is'nt totally under the influence of a women is probably the Imp (even though that whore with him probably got a few tricks planned). My main question here is: is this importance of female characters something that's been added/developed for the show or is it like this too in the book (it could somehow be understandable that in order to attract a wider audience, the production decides to modify the story to make women more important)? And now a bit more fantasy/fanfiction: how about we reach a point were all men slaughtered each others at war, Daenerys arrives on her flying dragons and unites all the women of the world to face the White Walkers? Girl power ending ... ? No .... Seemed fun ... PS: I'm not asking for information about what happens further in the book but about how close to the original story, things that were already shown, actually are. There are no major changes from the books. there are PLENTY of major changes, they're just not that noticable on first glance. It's why GRRM has been talking about butterfly effects and how the later seasons could end up being very different from the books.
Well I believe he is answering me when saying "There are no major changes from the books" since he quoted me before. Now I didn't read the book but are you trying to say that regarding the place of women in the story there are major differences in the book. Lady Stark and Cersei Lannister are worthless peons in the book?
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On April 04 2012 23:55 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 19:47 Maxie wrote:On April 04 2012 19:36 Emix_Squall wrote:So I've been watching season 1 recently and like everyone else started watching season 2 this Sunday. With 2 episodes released, it only confirms one of my thoughts about the show. But I'd like other peoples opinion on that. + Show Spoiler +In season 1, I already had the feeling the show would give much importance to female characters. We had Cersei Lannister, Lady Stark, and Daenerys being at the very center of the plot. In season 2 women even get more importance, with the appearance of this kinda priestess that is "guiding" Stannis, the whore accompanying Tyrion (which in my opinion is one of Little Fingers' girls), and probably the Graejoy daughter. I believe it's great that a story whose plot revolves mostly around politics, conspiracy and manipulation in medieval times' go his fair share of important female character. Not that women should be associated with corruption and manipulation (or maybe .... ) but just because medieval stories tend to focus on men at war when there is often much more to it: powerful women behind every powerful men for example. In season 2, I feel like women are taking power over the men. Beside the kingboy who treats them like shit, all other women are becoming leading figures and the new ones we are discovering already are leading figures. In fact the only man who seems to be handling is shit right now and who is'nt totally under the influence of a women is probably the Imp (even though that whore with him probably got a few tricks planned). My main question here is: is this importance of female characters something that's been added/developed for the show or is it like this too in the book (it could somehow be understandable that in order to attract a wider audience, the production decides to modify the story to make women more important)? And now a bit more fantasy/fanfiction: how about we reach a point were all men slaughtered each others at war, Daenerys arrives on her flying dragons and unites all the women of the world to face the White Walkers? Girl power ending ... ? No .... Seemed fun ... PS: I'm not asking for information about what happens further in the book but about how close to the original story, things that were already shown, actually are. There are no major changes from the books. there are PLENTY of major changes, they're just not that noticable on first glance. It's why GRRM has been talking about butterfly effects and how the later seasons could end up being very different from the books.
I assume they talked to him about the major changes and if they affect the later seasons.
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On April 05 2012 00:00 Emix_Squall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 23:55 Quotidian wrote:On April 04 2012 19:47 Maxie wrote:On April 04 2012 19:36 Emix_Squall wrote:So I've been watching season 1 recently and like everyone else started watching season 2 this Sunday. With 2 episodes released, it only confirms one of my thoughts about the show. But I'd like other peoples opinion on that. + Show Spoiler +In season 1, I already had the feeling the show would give much importance to female characters. We had Cersei Lannister, Lady Stark, and Daenerys being at the very center of the plot. In season 2 women even get more importance, with the appearance of this kinda priestess that is "guiding" Stannis, the whore accompanying Tyrion (which in my opinion is one of Little Fingers' girls), and probably the Graejoy daughter. I believe it's great that a story whose plot revolves mostly around politics, conspiracy and manipulation in medieval times' go his fair share of important female character. Not that women should be associated with corruption and manipulation (or maybe .... ) but just because medieval stories tend to focus on men at war when there is often much more to it: powerful women behind every powerful men for example. In season 2, I feel like women are taking power over the men. Beside the kingboy who treats them like shit, all other women are becoming leading figures and the new ones we are discovering already are leading figures. In fact the only man who seems to be handling is shit right now and who is'nt totally under the influence of a women is probably the Imp (even though that whore with him probably got a few tricks planned). My main question here is: is this importance of female characters something that's been added/developed for the show or is it like this too in the book (it could somehow be understandable that in order to attract a wider audience, the production decides to modify the story to make women more important)? And now a bit more fantasy/fanfiction: how about we reach a point were all men slaughtered each others at war, Daenerys arrives on her flying dragons and unites all the women of the world to face the White Walkers? Girl power ending ... ? No .... Seemed fun ... PS: I'm not asking for information about what happens further in the book but about how close to the original story, things that were already shown, actually are. There are no major changes from the books. there are PLENTY of major changes, they're just not that noticable on first glance. It's why GRRM has been talking about butterfly effects and how the later seasons could end up being very different from the books. Well I believe he is answering me when saying "There are no major changes from the books" since he quoted me before. Now I didn't read the book but are you trying to say that regarding the place of women in the story there are major differences in the book. Lady Stark and Cersei Lannister are worthless peons in the book?
There are no major changes regarding shown characters. What he was talking about was not showing different characters and situations that might come into play later and then producers will need to change even more to tell the story at that moment that misses some things from the past.
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On April 05 2012 01:25 -Archangel- wrote:
There are no major changes regarding shown characters. What he was talking about was not showing different characters and situations that might come into play later and then producers will need to change even more to tell the story at that moment that misses some things from the past.
Sarcasm dude ... sarcasm .... ^^
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