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On June 20 2011 19:27 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 19:13 Strut wrote:On June 20 2011 19:03 Crazyeyes wrote:
As for the witch lady...
I dont think there was any magic at all. She's just a pissed off old lady getting revenge. I think that she caused Drogo to get infected in the first place. The blood magic was all horseshit, an excuse to kill a horse.
She got lucky when Dany went into labour, so she killed the baby too.
I mean, she seems almost justified. She was raped many times and that baby was destined to cause so much war and death... but from Dany's view, the bitch took everything. :x If that was the case, then how did she heal Drogo's wound. His mind was gone but his body was healthy. There had to be magic involved or how else would those dragon eggs finally hatch? Dany took the lesson from the witch and used it to bring them alive. "only death can pay for life". The witches life paid for the dragons. I dont think it works in that sense that "well a life for a life, can just kill stuff and my stuff will get done" it was more about how she had this connection to the dragons itself. I have read the first book, and they make it sound like whenever she was close to the eggs they gave her strenght and that fire resistance, but only to her, maybe because she is Targaryan and has dragon blood idk ? started reading the second book and its very good, yall should try.
I think it required both. The witch needed to die to hatch the dragons, but they also would not have hatched for anyone else but Dany.
Regardless there is no right answer, and trying to speculate how fictional magic works isn't really worth it 
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On June 20 2011 19:24 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 19:04 snotboogie wrote:On June 20 2011 18:55 -Archangel- wrote:On June 20 2011 17:15 Crazyeyes wrote:
Dany's ritual was weird as hell, though. Yes, burning the witch made sense. And burning Drogo made sense, too. And I guess putting the eggs in there made sense, since theyre dragon eggs and its fire and shit. But why the FUCK did she go in? Does that make sense at all?
How does she know she's supposed to do that, assuming she's supposed to? It was not a ritual, she was trying to kill herself because she lost everything and everyone. Eggs and everything was there because that was all she cared about. She had all she cared about there in the flames (and she cared about the witch dying by flames). It was just shown badly and confuses people about if she knew what she was doing or not. I doubt it. If she had gone in to kill herself, why would she give the speech telling her "khalasar" to stay? Because the script writers are retards that do not understand the material there were converting to a TV series. They mixed everything up and made it confusing. They change some stuff but keep others intact. You cannot do things like this. If you change something you need to adapt other parts as well. That speech was supposed to come afterwards, not before the fire part.
Hah, you're the one confused. This isn't the place for book discussion, so I'm just going to say you ought to reread the last chapter.
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^ Eh, even the small comments are toomuch IMO. The small comment of 'be careful who you get attached to' or 'NO ONE is safe' took out almost all of the shock from Ned's death for me.
Rather than attaching to characters like I would (which would enrich the experience for me), I'm instead classifying characters as disposable and non disposable. And I basically have... 3? characters in the non-disposable category. Which is ridiculous. >_<
but whatever. I realize its a bit unreasonabl eto complain about that...
Strut's post is completely right: theres no point in trying to speculate how fictional magic works.
+ Show Spoiler +as opposed to real magic, of course ;D
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I can understand the complaints people are having, I haven't read the books myself and the series took me on the journey itself.
However, I have to say after everything that has gone on prior to episode 10, this is EXACTLY the ending I was actually hoping for. -Spoilering opinion incase people haven't watched episode yet-
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The amount of things that I just loved in this episode, I wouldn't know where to begin. A lot of it was obviously obscured by DRAGONZ (although I feel the series made the hatching incredibly obvious, I was told by a friend that the books were far more subtle as I would expect from someone who writes this great of a storyline).
-Thyrion being acknowledged and dare I say respected by his father, appointing him as Hand of the King in his stead. I LOVED this part of the episode more so than anything else, Thyrion is such a fantastic character and his constant development and being accepted by people is such an awesome thing to watch at least in my eyes. This character alone should win GRRM an award, or 20.
-Bran and his brother's mysterious dream connection showing them Ned in the dungeon opened so many questions to me, and the dream being fully shown (or perhaps not? never know what else may happen in those dungeons ;D). Bran I do feel has been more low-key though, his presence isn't nearly as felt in the series as I think it should be, perhaps because he is by nature quite quiet and timid (I would be too in that world if crippled, really).
-Joffrey continually being depicted as the true dick he is :D Love how much good writing can cause a child character to be so incredibly hated. I don't think I've seen a character that has been this hated by the majority ever. Even for "bad" characters in other stories they have some edge of sympathy you can show to them or some measure of understanding, all the way through in every scene ever shown of Joffrey I'm pretty sure the general feeling running through people's minds is along the lines of "DROP DEAD MOTHERFUCKER".
-Of course, the obvious finale of this all being Danerys. I was actually pretty damn sure Drogo was gunna be fine last episode, my thoughts were along the lines of "Well, they've built up the Dothraki side THIS MUCH, how on Earth can they just kill off Drogo? No one would invade by Danerys' command". Then with Drogo's death things seemed bleak for Danerys, albeit I knew in my mind the dragon eggs were gunna hatch at some point it still didn't feel to me until it happened that it was gunna happen. I'm absolutely looking forward to seeing what happens next, my exams are done with in a mere 8 days and I doubt I'm going to be able to restrain myself from going and reading the books rather than waiting an entire year for the next series. The storyline is just far far too good!
Overall, loved it! :D
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when sandor grabbed sansa I was like NOOOO DROP THE FUCKA!!!!
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Two Questions:
1) Who was in the bedroom with Joffry's mother naked? I don't recall seeing that character before; wasn't sure if it was a new character or not.
2) What do people think about Sansa now that the first season is over? Throughout the whole season I kind of disliked her because she seemed like such an airhead, but this last episode I started taking a liking to her. Even though her behavior is somewhat defeatist/cowardice (she's like the opposite of Ned, willing to surrender her honor very quickly,) when I took a step back her behavior is rather realistic of a 'normal person.' As a result I found myself relating to her quite well as someone who sees terrible things done to the people she loves, but feels somewhat powerless to stop it.
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On June 20 2011 20:31 Ocedic wrote:
Two Questions:
1) Who was in the bedroom with Joffry's mother naked? I don't recall seeing that character before; wasn't sure if it was a new character or not.
2) What do people think about Sansa now that the first season is over? Throughout the whole season I kind of disliked her because she seemed like such an airhead, but this last episode I started taking a liking to her. Even though her behavior is somewhat defeatist/cowardice (she's like the opposite of Ned, willing to surrender her honor very quickly,) when I took a step back her behavior is rather realistic of a 'normal person.' As a result I found myself relating to her quite well as someone who sees terrible things done to the people she loves, but feels somewhat powerless to stop it.
1)it was some lannister neffew, Kevin lannister if im not mistaken. The squire who fed the wine to robbert while he was hunting.
Edit: apperently I was wrong with the name.
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The guy with Cersei was Lancel Lannister, Robert's squire who made sure there was always enough wine in case he got thirsty.
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On June 20 2011 20:35 zimms wrote:
The guy with Cersei was Lancel Lannister, Robert's squire who made sure there was always enough wine in case he got thirsty.
Err, so this is another case of incest within the Lannister family?
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1) I dont remmeber his name, but it begins with an L. Remember Robert's 'servant guy' ? The guy that Robert was always making fun of; he told him he has a stupid name. Robert told him to get a 'breastplate extender' ....
He's Cercei's cousin. She's moved onto the next family member to fuck, basically. Ugh.
2) When Sansa tried to push him off, she really gained some repsect in my eyes, lol. I hated her after episode 2 or 3 or whatever, when she took Joffrey's side against Arya and the butcher, but this is making up for it.
Also, anyone think that maybe The Hound isnt all that bad? He was totally justified for doing... well, anything to Sansa. He saw what she was doing and stopped her. I felt like it was more of a 'no, be smart about it' type of thing. He gave her the tissue... a small gesture, but I felt it has some meaning to it. It certainly wasn't required.
@ Guy below me:
"she realized dreams never come true'
NOT TRUE! Bran's dream came true!
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On June 20 2011 20:31 Ocedic wrote:
Two Questions:
1) Who was in the bedroom with Joffry's mother naked? I don't recall seeing that character before; wasn't sure if it was a new character or not.
2) What do people think about Sansa now that the first season is over? Throughout the whole season I kind of disliked her because she seemed like such an airhead, but this last episode I started taking a liking to her. Even though her behavior is somewhat defeatist/cowardice (she's like the opposite of Ned, willing to surrender her honor very quickly,) when I took a step back her behavior is rather realistic of a 'normal person.' As a result I found myself relating to her quite well as someone who sees terrible things done to the people she loves, but feels somewhat powerless to stop it.
1) Pretty sure that was her cousin? He was King Robert's squire I believe, Lansell Lannister? If not squire, his bitch of sorts 
2) She's become a lot stronger by the stark realisation that her "true love" is, in fact, the greatest cunt to live in Westeros. Definitely think this episode made her a lot more likeable now that she isn't blinded by some teenage crush or dream she had, as I think she's realised dreams never come true.
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On June 20 2011 20:37 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:35 zimms wrote:
The guy with Cersei was Lancel Lannister, Robert's squire who made sure there was always enough wine in case he got thirsty. Err, so this is another case of incest within the Lannister family?
NO. SAY IT ISN'T SO!!
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so i wasnt watching last weeeks episode - to enjoy a double feature - it was soooo worth it
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the guy sleeping with cersei is lancel lannister, kevin lannisters son. kevin is tywins bro.
This makes cersei both incestuous, and a whore. She's quite the monster imo.
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On June 20 2011 20:40 Zanti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:31 Ocedic wrote:
Two Questions:
1) Who was in the bedroom with Joffry's mother naked? I don't recall seeing that character before; wasn't sure if it was a new character or not.
2) What do people think about Sansa now that the first season is over? Throughout the whole season I kind of disliked her because she seemed like such an airhead, but this last episode I started taking a liking to her. Even though her behavior is somewhat defeatist/cowardice (she's like the opposite of Ned, willing to surrender her honor very quickly,) when I took a step back her behavior is rather realistic of a 'normal person.' As a result I found myself relating to her quite well as someone who sees terrible things done to the people she loves, but feels somewhat powerless to stop it. 1) Pretty sure that was her cousin? He was King Robert's squire I believe, Lansell Lannister? If not squire, his bitch of sorts 2) She's become a lot stronger by the stark realisation that her "true love" is, in fact, the greatest cunt to live in Westeros. Definitely think this episode made her a lot more likeable now that she isn't blinded by some teenage crush or dream she had, as I think she's realised dreams never come true.
1. He's both Robert's Squire and Ceresi's cousin.
2. 2) She's become a lot stronger by the stark realisation that her "true love". is, in fact, the greatest cunt to live in Westeros. I see what you did there.
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I hated Sansa but I actually feel sorry for her now. Hopefully this pushes her over the edge and finally makes her realize the people shes consorting with are terrible.
Hearing Joffrey say "I'll put a child in you" was soooooo awkward. Like he didn't even know what he was saying :o
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 20 2011 20:51 Pkol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:40 Zanti wrote:On June 20 2011 20:31 Ocedic wrote:
Two Questions:
1) Who was in the bedroom with Joffry's mother naked? I don't recall seeing that character before; wasn't sure if it was a new character or not.
2) What do people think about Sansa now that the first season is over? Throughout the whole season I kind of disliked her because she seemed like such an airhead, but this last episode I started taking a liking to her. Even though her behavior is somewhat defeatist/cowardice (she's like the opposite of Ned, willing to surrender her honor very quickly,) when I took a step back her behavior is rather realistic of a 'normal person.' As a result I found myself relating to her quite well as someone who sees terrible things done to the people she loves, but feels somewhat powerless to stop it. 1) Pretty sure that was her cousin? He was King Robert's squire I believe, Lansell Lannister? If not squire, his bitch of sorts 2) She's become a lot stronger by the stark realisation that her "true love" is, in fact, the greatest cunt to live in Westeros. Definitely think this episode made her a lot more likeable now that she isn't blinded by some teenage crush or dream she had, as I think she's realised dreams never come true. 1. He's both Robert's Squire and Ceresi's cousin. 2. Show nested quote +2) She's become a lot stronger by the stark realisation that her "true love". is, in fact, the greatest cunt to live in Westeros. I see what you did there.
Was hoping someone would ;D
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To the person trying to argue that the witch didn't actually use magic, i don't know how you can come to this. Every thing kind of points to her actually having some kind of magic ability and she even said it herself. She healed Drogo knowing it would make him a vegetable (worse then living in basically everyone's eyes) while also killing dannys baby, basically the ultimate revenge.
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A very awsome series, waiting for the 10th episode with swesub right now. Cant wait for it
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On June 20 2011 20:58 Tachion wrote:
I hated Sansa but I actually feel sorry for her now. Hopefully this pushes her over the edge and finally makes her realize the people shes consorting with are terrible.
Hearing Joffrey say "I'll put a child in you" was soooooo awkward. Like he didn't even know what he was saying :o
Pretty sure Joffrey knew what he meant, reminds me of this; http://www.explosm.net/comics/2448/
Must admit though the character is pretty deluded, the fact he thought he could simply enslave the North and beat them down if they tried to rebel and expected no consequences shows his naivety. Obviously have to keep in mind though he is still a child, I'm not sure how old he is supposed to be at this point in the books but he surely still has a lot to learn. Whether or not he'll live that long we're yet to see, as someone said earlier in the show Cersei isn't a fool; she knew killing Ned was NOT in the interests of anyone and that it would only make matters far worse for the Lannister side. Jaime is now imprisoned (albeit the Starks I would like to think show more compassion than Joffrey) but with Ned dead what stops them from simply killing Jaime? A kind of, you kill your prisoner we'll kill ours situation.
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