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chroniX
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
517 Posts
June 20 2011 07:41 GMT
#5261
I GOT DRAGON NERD CHILLS!!!
sooo good!
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 07:41:45
June 20 2011 07:41 GMT
#5262
On June 20 2011 16:27 Adebisi wrote:
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On June 20 2011 15:03 Xenixx wrote:
On June 20 2011 15:01 crms wrote:
On June 20 2011 14:58 Vvix wrote:
On June 20 2011 14:48 crms wrote:
well that was a disappointing episode, I can't believe all of the high praise just because there were some dragons.

the main storyline had 0 resolution. we're just as lost as to who will 'win the game of thrones' and how the families of the realm will settle this war as we were 4 episodes ago.

the other main theme of the targaryans using the dothraki to recapture the throne was a bust, the doth'raki left and the khal drogo is dead. What was the point of developing them so much?

also the wall... the first episode showed some tid bits about the wall and then there was nothing but a random reanimated corpse and the final episode FINALLY gets back to the wall but again, there is nothing but the same line we've heard over an entire season 'winter is coming', when? the 2nd book? the 2nd season? Season 4?

Ughh, just so let down right now. I was really hoping for some stark/lanister resolution. Whatever maybe I'll like it more after I take a step back and think about it more.


I think you're naive if you expected full resolution of the plot within the end of the first season. The whole thing itself is atm 5 books and is expected to be 7.


We don't need full resolution. I understand there are more books..I just feel more was needed than what was giving.


You aren't alone. The only people defending that ending are fan boys.
Simply not true, I haven't read the books and thought the ending was fine, if there was some kind of Lannister/Stark resolution + Dothraki invasion in the final episode I think it would've been way too much and taken away from the steady pace they've set on the storyline.

Anyway, I did have a quick question, probably wasn't paying as much attention as I should've, what exactly was Jon Snow's motivation to go serve at the wall?


He was a bastard that never really fit in (though he was very close with Robb and Arya, Sansa always calls him her "bastard half-brother" and Catelyn absolute hates him). Once Ned took his party to leave for the south, Jon chose to go to the Wall where he would be able to make his own name instead of being confined by being a bastard. Otherwise he would have had to stay at Winterfell with Catelyn, who is a monstrous bitch towards him.
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Maginor
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway505 Posts
June 20 2011 07:43 GMT
#5263
On June 20 2011 14:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I still find it tragic/ironic that:

+ Show Spoiler +

All this happened because Ned's wife was/is impatient, in the end the blood is on her hands. Yet she still hasn't figured that out.

Also is the Black Watch the Foreign Legion of Westeros and Essos?


Well, not really. That had nothing to do with Ned discovering Joffreys parentage, and that was what got both him and Robert killed.
ZoneofEnders
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada71 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 07:48:23
June 20 2011 07:45 GMT
#5264
On June 20 2011 16:27 Adebisi wrote:

Anyway, I did have a quick question, probably wasn't paying as much attention as I should've, what exactly was Jon Snow's motivation to go serve at the wall?


He is a bastard and so not the equal of his brothers and sisters in terms of entitlement. He was in there shadow and looked down upon by society as a whole. Catelyn also hates him, if you remember the scene where he visits bran. On the wall any man can rise despite where he came from. Also his uncle benjen is who was in at least one episode (not sure exactly offhand) is a prominent member of the nights watch.

Also I think its fair to say that he had it in his head that the nights watch was a noble institution and filled with heroes like his uncle. I say that based on his conversations with Tyrion on the way to the wall.
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 07:48:07
June 20 2011 07:45 GMT
#5265
Xenixx, I liked a lot, I liked some of the more subtle things, for example, Ned's daughter meeting up with the the old king's bastard son was cool, I liked the development of Joffrey, how sadistic he was being with whats her face (I would've felt immensely ripped off if she pushed him off the bridge, or he died in some other manner, despite how badly I wanted her to do it), and the obvious mounting tension with the older Lannister's acknowledging how reckless he was to just behead Ned when he would've been a perfect bargaining chip for the Imp's brother. I did like the Dothraki part too with the witch doctor women or whatever, I was pretty confused by that character's motivations with helping the Dothraki who crushed her village etc, so it was good to get some closure there.

I think probably I went in with different expectations to the episode than you, I wasn't expecting a climatic finale, I was expecting something more like a denouement, setting up the atmosphere for next season.

TY for the answers Zone and Curu, still confuses me a bit, I mean those guys are celibate lol .
Xenixx
Profile Joined June 2008
United States530 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 08:08:43
June 20 2011 07:55 GMT
#5266
On June 20 2011 16:45 Adebisi wrote:
Xenixx, I liked a lot, I liked some of the more subtle things, for example, Ned's daughter meeting up with the the old king's bastard son was cool, I liked the development of Joffrey, how sadistic he was being with whats her face, and the obvious mounting tension with the older Lannister's acknowledging how reckless he was to just behead Ned when he would've been a perfect bargaining chip for the Imp's brother. I did like the Dothraki part too with the witch doctor women or whatever, I was pretty confused by that character's motivations with helping the Dothraki who crushed her village etc, so it was good to get some closure there.

I think probably I went in with different expectations to the episode than you, I wasn't expecting a climatic finale, I was expecting something more like a denouement, setting up the atmosphere for next season.

TY for the answers Zone and Curu, still confuses me a bit, I mean those guys are celibate lol .


No, I wasn't expecting a climatic finale either. Although if I were in charge I would not have ended the season that particular way. It felt like the intro for season 2 rather than the ending for season 1. So you're right on the money with that one. You're on the right foot of expectations though, that is the key thing to this, I expected an ending to a TV season on HBO. I'm not quite at the end of book 1 yet, almost there, but if the endings are identical; Something for the fans of the books to cheer about. And for people that aren't into this with having read them they should have changed that. Like the inexhaustible supply of changes I could mention littered throughout the series, some important (answer questions) others only confusing. Clearly, in the role of adaptation producer, you must choose what to change and what not to.

Thank you Adebisi for your insight, didn't mean to come off as harsh as this sounded when I re-read it as so many users on this forum are, so I wanted to say that I direct it at others who might be reading.

Of course I knew there had to be a continuation, I knew this fact about LOTR when watching the movies too. But that worked. This didn't. It's a good thing I'm already hooked and not in someone else's shoes that isn't convinced they should come around next season after that episode 'to find out what happens next.'
SpectralFremen
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia386 Posts
June 20 2011 07:58 GMT
#5267
On June 20 2011 15:56 Zelniq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 12:14 ShadowDrgn wrote:
So how many of you guys that haven't read the books are actually going to wait a year for the next season instead of reading the series?

storing awesome youtube comment:

People complaining about a 1 year wait? Oh my sweet summer child. What do you know of waiting? Waiting is for the long night, when GRRM hides for years and children are born and live and die all before the next book comes out.
moocow212 3 hours ago


You are a hero for showing us all this. I laughed and laughed.
"And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere"
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
June 20 2011 07:59 GMT
#5268
On June 20 2011 16:45 Adebisi wrote:
TY for the answers Zone and Curu, still confuses me a bit, I mean those guys are celibate lol .


There is a town near the wall that the men of the Night's Watch go visit for sex, despite it breaking the rules. The commander mentions it in his talk with Jon in the last episode.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 08:05:52
June 20 2011 08:04 GMT
#5269
On June 20 2011 15:56 Zelniq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 12:14 ShadowDrgn wrote:
So how many of you guys that haven't read the books are actually going to wait a year for the next season instead of reading the series?

storing awesome youtube comment:

People complaining about a 1 year wait? Oh my sweet summer child. What do you know of waiting? Waiting is for the long night, when GRRM hides for years and children are born and live and die all before the next book comes out.
moocow212 3 hours ago


Oh god that is well done rofl.

Just finished Book 1 and Season 2 gives me nerd-chills.

Also, I feel like people are hating on Ep.10 for lack of "action" are the same ones who hated on the first few episodes for lack of "action".

Good storytelling isn't always action-packed.
Crazyeyes
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1342 Posts
June 20 2011 08:15 GMT
#5270
On June 20 2011 15:53 snotboogie wrote:
Anyone else think that Arya looks frickin adorable with her hair cut short? The look suits her so well IMO

Yeah, I thought she was cute as hell.
I think she's just cute in general, though... I dont reccomend any girl keep their hair like that. xD
On June 20 2011 15:56 Zelniq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 12:14 ShadowDrgn wrote:
So how many of you guys that haven't read the books are actually going to wait a year for the next season instead of reading the series?

storing awesome youtube comment:

People complaining about a 1 year wait? Oh my sweet summer child. What do you know of waiting? Waiting is for the long night, when GRRM hides for years and children are born and live and die all before the next book comes out.
moocow212 3 hours ago

This is so good, LOL.

as for the season finale...
DRAGONS MOTHERFUCKER

So AWESOME. I'm stoked as hell. I WANT TO START READING SO BADLY.
I dont see how anyone could have disliked that... seriuosly, so great.


Dany's ritual was weird as hell, though. Yes, burning the witch made sense. And burning Drogo made sense, too. And I guess putting the eggs in there made sense, since theyre dragon eggs and its fire and shit. But why the FUCK did she go in? Does that make sense at all?
How does she know she's supposed to do that, assuming she's supposed to?
WeeEEeeEEEeeEEEeeeEEee!!
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
June 20 2011 08:20 GMT
#5271
On June 20 2011 17:15 Crazyeyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 15:53 snotboogie wrote:
Anyone else think that Arya looks frickin adorable with her hair cut short? The look suits her so well IMO

Yeah, I thought she was cute as hell.
I think she's just cute in general, though... I dont reccomend any girl keep their hair like that. xD
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 15:56 Zelniq wrote:
On June 20 2011 12:14 ShadowDrgn wrote:
So how many of you guys that haven't read the books are actually going to wait a year for the next season instead of reading the series?

storing awesome youtube comment:

People complaining about a 1 year wait? Oh my sweet summer child. What do you know of waiting? Waiting is for the long night, when GRRM hides for years and children are born and live and die all before the next book comes out.
moocow212 3 hours ago

This is so good, LOL.

as for the season finale...
DRAGONS MOTHERFUCKER

So AWESOME. I'm stoked as hell. I WANT TO START READING SO BADLY.
I dont see how anyone could have disliked that... seriuosly, so great.


Dany's ritual was weird as hell, though. Yes, burning the witch made sense. And burning Drogo made sense, too. And I guess putting the eggs in there made sense, since theyre dragon eggs and its fire and shit. But why the FUCK did she go in? Does that make sense at all?
How does she know she's supposed to do that, assuming she's supposed to?

I don't think it was really a ritual, she just went to her children. Fire cannot kill a dragon. :p
Vvix
Profile Joined February 2009
Brazil40 Posts
June 20 2011 08:20 GMT
#5272
Dany's ritual was weird as hell, though. Yes, burning the witch made sense. And burning Drogo made sense, too. And I guess putting the eggs in there made sense, since theyre dragon eggs and its fire and shit. But why the FUCK did she go in? Does that make sense at all?
How does she know she's supposed to do that, assuming she's supposed to?


I dont think she knew exactly she was supposed to go in there for the ritual to "work", but she did anyways because she wanted to be close to drogo and the eggs and she knew fire could not hurt her, so I guess it makes sense.
"Through habit the unnatural can become natural and men forget to question themselves." Miyamoto Musashi
Casta
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark234 Posts
June 20 2011 08:22 GMT
#5273
My god, have to get the books now... no way I can wait
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
June 20 2011 08:24 GMT
#5274
On June 20 2011 17:20 Vvix wrote:
Show nested quote +
Dany's ritual was weird as hell, though. Yes, burning the witch made sense. And burning Drogo made sense, too. And I guess putting the eggs in there made sense, since theyre dragon eggs and its fire and shit. But why the FUCK did she go in? Does that make sense at all?
How does she know she's supposed to do that, assuming she's supposed to?


I dont think she knew exactly she was supposed to go in there for the ritual to "work", but she did anyways because she wanted to be close to drogo and the eggs and she knew fire could not hurt her, so I guess it makes sense.


The two dragons were suposed to be driking milk from her breast but they decided to use them to cover her vagina instead, maybe if they didnt went this route, it would make more sense.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
June 20 2011 08:31 GMT
#5275
On June 20 2011 17:24 D10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 17:20 Vvix wrote:
Dany's ritual was weird as hell, though. Yes, burning the witch made sense. And burning Drogo made sense, too. And I guess putting the eggs in there made sense, since theyre dragon eggs and its fire and shit. But why the FUCK did she go in? Does that make sense at all?
How does she know she's supposed to do that, assuming she's supposed to?


I dont think she knew exactly she was supposed to go in there for the ritual to "work", but she did anyways because she wanted to be close to drogo and the eggs and she knew fire could not hurt her, so I guess it makes sense.


The two dragons were suposed to be driking milk from her breast but they decided to use them to cover her vagina instead, maybe if they didnt went this route, it would make more sense.


I think it was fine the way they did it.
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 08:37:07
June 20 2011 08:31 GMT
#5276
I thought this episode was overall quite poor— probably the worst one in a while, or in the entire first season (I don't think I liked the first episode either but I have to give it grace because it had much introduction and setting to do)

That said, the ending was fantastic, and I still enjoyed the ending, but everything else wasn't good.

I think the ending would have been nice to end with ned's death (and preferably all the other stuff that happened that episode that I don't remember anymore), but that would have been hard to organize I think? not a whole lot happened in this episode, it was still stuff that happened chronologically after, and would have probably been very hard to reverse these events.

Oh by the way, to anyone not reading/read the books, don't go near the wiki of ice and fire cause you'll get spoiled pretty damn easily... I learned something about Jeoffry that wasn't too surprising, but still an unfortunate spoiler.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
June 20 2011 08:32 GMT
#5277
On June 20 2011 17:24 D10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 17:20 Vvix wrote:
Dany's ritual was weird as hell, though. Yes, burning the witch made sense. And burning Drogo made sense, too. And I guess putting the eggs in there made sense, since theyre dragon eggs and its fire and shit. But why the FUCK did she go in? Does that make sense at all?
How does she know she's supposed to do that, assuming she's supposed to?


I dont think she knew exactly she was supposed to go in there for the ritual to "work", but she did anyways because she wanted to be close to drogo and the eggs and she knew fire could not hurt her, so I guess it makes sense.


The two dragons were suposed to be driking milk from her breast but they decided to use them to cover her vagina instead, maybe if they didnt went this route, it would make more sense.

One of them was suckling her at the start, then they took up strategic positions when she stood up.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
June 20 2011 08:34 GMT
#5278
On June 20 2011 17:32 Magus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 17:24 D10 wrote:
On June 20 2011 17:20 Vvix wrote:
Dany's ritual was weird as hell, though. Yes, burning the witch made sense. And burning Drogo made sense, too. And I guess putting the eggs in there made sense, since theyre dragon eggs and its fire and shit. But why the FUCK did she go in? Does that make sense at all?
How does she know she's supposed to do that, assuming she's supposed to?


I dont think she knew exactly she was supposed to go in there for the ritual to "work", but she did anyways because she wanted to be close to drogo and the eggs and she knew fire could not hurt her, so I guess it makes sense.


The two dragons were suposed to be driking milk from her breast but they decided to use them to cover her vagina instead, maybe if they didnt went this route, it would make more sense.

One of them was suckling her at the start, then they took up strategic positions when she stood up.

Yes but it is barely noticeable at that point, its like wtf is that and by the time you realize what it was and what it was doing, its alrady somewhere else.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Kittyness
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada72 Posts
June 20 2011 08:37 GMT
#5279
That Ending was so awesome.

Ending on Episode 9 would have probably held people over till next season better but shit doesn't get much more awesome then that.
niteblaze
Profile Joined August 2010
United States143 Posts
June 20 2011 08:43 GMT
#5280
SC2 Perspective:

Raynor = Rob Stark
Mengsk = Joffrey
Kerrigan = Dany
Toss = Night's Watch???? (need alternative)
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