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On June 20 2011 15:09 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 14:58 crms wrote:On June 20 2011 14:51 Lomak wrote:On June 20 2011 14:48 crms wrote:
well that was a disappointing episode, I can't believe all of the high praise just because there were some dragons.
the main storyline had 0 resolution. we're just as lost as to who will 'win the game of thrones' and how the families of the realm will settle this war as we were 4 episodes ago.
the other main theme of the targaryans using the dothraki to recapture the throne was a bust, the doth'raki left and the khal drogo is dead. What was the point of developing them so much?
Mergh, just so let down right now. I was really hoping for some stark/lanister resolution. Whatever maybe I'll like it more after I take a step back and think about it more. Yea and what was the deal with Frodo taking like forever to get to Mordor. He should of just took the train and wrapped that shit up ASAP. Could of ended that movie in a couple hours tops. Are you joking? You'd think after watching ~10 hours of a show you'd know more in the 10th hour as you did in the 1st. Nice troll attempt though. Also if you want to be a complete tool, all of the lord of the rings movies could fit in the time of this season so congrats. I could have total and complete resolution of middle earth in the time it took me to get 0 resolution in games of thrones. Thanks for being a douche bag. I loved the series just not a fan of the final episode. You watched the first season of what will be a 7 novel story. There is no resolution after the first just like there was no resolution after The Fellowship of the Ring. You saw them form that group, Gandalf falls down a cliff with a Balrog, Boromir dies and the group splits up at the end. OH MY GOD WHERE IS THE CLOSURE?! Book one's ending sets up the next one ("A Clash of Kings", which will be season 2 of the show), which will deal with all the issues laid out here. You have Robb, the new "King of the North", Stannis and Renly Baratheon, and Joffrey in King's Landing, Daenerys and her dragons (which btw is why the Dothraki storyline is important), Jon Snow and Night's Watch with their developments, Arya's adventures and Sansa being held in King's Landing just to name a few. I'm sorry but I don't know how you expected closure of an epic 7 novel story in the first book's events. If you want a quick story this isn't for you.
Moopie definitely puts it the best. This season finale is just getting set up for the next season. I also believe GRRM is a consultant on the show so I am sure he is making sure shit isnt getting ruined.
As a watcher only, I really did enjoy this last episode, especially the discussion in the Lannister tent. I also loved the scene at the wall where they are preparing to go out in force to see what is beyond the wall. Cant wait for the next season.
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Are you guys seriously thinking that HBO should be able to change the story to such an extent? The ending was pretty canonical, and what I think alot of people have enjoyed with this series is how it breaks TV-norm by killing off people at surprising times. I like how the season 1 is more like a true story, (Things do not go as planned, like in the real world) instead of something scripted, where everything has a direct link to the resolution of the story and then is boring and predictable.
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On June 20 2011 14:48 crms wrote:
well that was a disappointing episode, I can't believe all of the high praise just because there were some dragons.
the main storyline had 0 resolution. we're just as lost as to who will 'win the game of thrones' and how the families of the realm will settle this war as we were 4 episodes ago.
the other main theme of the targaryans using the dothraki to recapture the throne was a bust, the doth'raki left and the khal drogo is dead. What was the point of developing them so much?
also the wall... the first episode showed some tid bits about the wall and then there was nothing but a random reanimated corpse and the final episode FINALLY gets back to the wall but again, there is nothing but the same line we've heard over an entire season 'winter is coming', when? the 2nd book? the 2nd season? Season 4?
Ughh, just so let down right now. I was really hoping for some stark/lanister resolution. Whatever maybe I'll like it more after I take a step back and think about it more.
1. The game of thrones are continuing, and i expect them to not conclude in any way untill the end of the series. Originally the Game of Thrones was suppoused to be 2.5 times the size it is now, but due to being too large it got cut into smaller parts, hence the season finale not containing even somewhat of a closure in that storyline.
2. Developing the Dothraki and getting rid of them had the same purpose as developing and killing Viserys. That entire story-line is driven by Danaerys, the evolution of her caracter is what matters. She had to lose everything (family, love, child) in order to grow up to be the Mother of Dragons.
3. It would have been kinda strange if the White Walkers came and wiped the Wall out in season 1, when there are suppoused to be several others
If you care, when is winter coming, meh, i ll edit it out rather, cuz it s about the books, pm me if u need an answer
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On June 20 2011 14:41 Xenixx wrote:
First of all, I'm shocked at how well that last episode went over here. That episode sucked, was such a weak ending. If I wasn't feverishly reading thru book 1 and solidified as a fan after episode 9 I don't think I would care about season 2 after that episode.
Maybe they should have taken the chance and saved Ned's beheading for the last epsiode. Particularly because they had nothing else interesting to go off of.
With that said, looking forward to season 2, hopefully they'll write a more interesting climax next season or I can't see HBO, with their track history, keeping this show afloat for another season.
You act like the climax has to be at the end of a story for it to be good literature.
Also, rofl at all the people complaining about a lack of resolution.
You know what I say? You could learn a lesson or two from Ser Jorah
"Patience, you do not make demands of GRRM, he does things in his own time."
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On June 20 2011 15:01 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 14:58 Vvix wrote:On June 20 2011 14:48 crms wrote:
well that was a disappointing episode, I can't believe all of the high praise just because there were some dragons.
the main storyline had 0 resolution. we're just as lost as to who will 'win the game of thrones' and how the families of the realm will settle this war as we were 4 episodes ago.
the other main theme of the targaryans using the dothraki to recapture the throne was a bust, the doth'raki left and the khal drogo is dead. What was the point of developing them so much?
also the wall... the first episode showed some tid bits about the wall and then there was nothing but a random reanimated corpse and the final episode FINALLY gets back to the wall but again, there is nothing but the same line we've heard over an entire season 'winter is coming', when? the 2nd book? the 2nd season? Season 4?
Ughh, just so let down right now. I was really hoping for some stark/lanister resolution. Whatever maybe I'll like it more after I take a step back and think about it more. I think you're naive if you expected full resolution of the plot within the end of the first season. The whole thing itself is atm 5 books and is expected to be 7. We don't need full resolution. I understand there are more books..I just feel more was needed than what was giving.
It's called a cliffhanger ending, and a pretty good one once you calm and think about it. You're just upset. Frodo's head was cut off, the Drogo invasion scenario that was spoon fed didn't pan out, and you got to wait a year for the next season.
I've been waiting 6 years for the next book, so I understand.
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On June 20 2011 14:48 crms wrote:
well that was a disappointing episode, I can't believe all of the high praise just because there were some dragons.
the main storyline had 0 resolution. we're just as lost as to who will 'win the game of thrones' and how the families of the realm will settle this war as we were 4 episodes ago.
the other main theme of the targaryans using the dothraki to recapture the throne was a bust, the doth'raki left and the khal drogo is dead. What was the point of developing them so much?
also the wall... the first episode showed some tid bits about the wall and then there was nothing but a random reanimated corpse and the final episode FINALLY gets back to the wall but again, there is nothing but the same line we've heard over an entire season 'winter is coming', when? the 2nd book? the 2nd season? Season 4?
Ughh, just so let down right now. I was really hoping for some stark/lanister resolution. Whatever maybe I'll like it more after I take a step back and think about it more.
some people like a total package that includes foreplay, intercourse and post-coital spooning - some people like cumshot compliations. I have a feeling you might prefer the latter.
You seem to have really ridgid expectations of what the "pay-offs" and resolutions are supposed to be, but you clearly don't see the big picture yet. The entire point of developing the Dothraki in season 1 was to birth the dragons and set Dany up as legitimate, independent player in the game of thrones, and a liberator of sorts - not for Drogo to sail across the sea and take the iron chair for Dany. Also, there are other reasons to develop something than just setting up the next big fight scene/money-shot. And winter is comming, but you had to know that this is a long series of books. Why did you expect the first season to resolve everything hinted at in the first episode, and not just set up the next season like how all other tv shows work? And the next book is called "a clash of kings" - why would we already now see how that clash is supposed to shape up, especially when all the players haven't been revealed yet?
I don't think the episode was successful as a whole. It felt slow paced, relaxed and weirdly post-coital (beheading = climax), especially considering when the scene at the middle of the episode with Pycelle was just that. The entire episode was basically an "exhale" after last week's intense ending, where I think the pacing of the season would've been better if episode 10 was more intense and basically didn't let us breathe until the very end.
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fucking dragons looks so AWESOME.
really glad they did that scene right.
there were a lot of epic moments in this episode.
1) king of the north
2) any scene with tywin cuz he's a badass
3) mormont convincing jon to fight with the wall
4) danaerys walking into the pyre
5) DRAGONS MOTHER FUCKER
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On June 20 2011 15:32 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 14:48 crms wrote:
well that was a disappointing episode, I can't believe all of the high praise just because there were some dragons.
the main storyline had 0 resolution. we're just as lost as to who will 'win the game of thrones' and how the families of the realm will settle this war as we were 4 episodes ago.
the other main theme of the targaryans using the dothraki to recapture the throne was a bust, the doth'raki left and the khal drogo is dead. What was the point of developing them so much?
also the wall... the first episode showed some tid bits about the wall and then there was nothing but a random reanimated corpse and the final episode FINALLY gets back to the wall but again, there is nothing but the same line we've heard over an entire season 'winter is coming', when? the 2nd book? the 2nd season? Season 4?
Ughh, just so let down right now. I was really hoping for some stark/lanister resolution. Whatever maybe I'll like it more after I take a step back and think about it more. some people like a total package that includes foreplay, intercourse and post-coital spooning - some people like cumshot compliations. I have a feeling you might prefer the latter.You seem to have really ridgid expectations of what the "pay-offs" and resolutions are supposed to be, but you clearly don't see the big picture yet. The entire point of developing the Dothraki in season 1 was to birth the dragons and set Dany up as legitimate, independent player in the game of thrones, and a liberator of sorts - not for Drogo to sail across the sea and take the iron chair for Dany. Also, there are other reasons to develop something than just setting up the next big fight scene/money-shot. And winter is comming, but you had to know that this is a long series of books. Why did you expect the first season to resolve everything hinted at in the first episode, and not just set up the next season like how all other tv shows work? And the next book is called "a clash of kings" - why would we already now see how that clash is supposed to shape up, especially when all the players haven't been revealed yet? I don't think the episode was successful as a whole. It felt slow paced, relaxed and weirdly post-coital (beheading = climax), especially considering when the scene at the middle of the episode with Pycelle was just that. The entire episode was basically an "exhale" after last week's intense ending, where I think the pacing of the season would've been better if episode 10 was more intense and basically didn't let us breathe until the very end.
wow this is fantastic LOL.
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On June 20 2011 15:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 14:41 Xenixx wrote:
First of all, I'm shocked at how well that last episode went over here. That episode sucked, was such a weak ending. If I wasn't feverishly reading thru book 1 and solidified as a fan after episode 9 I don't think I would care about season 2 after that episode.
Maybe they should have taken the chance and saved Ned's beheading for the last epsiode. Particularly because they had nothing else interesting to go off of.
With that said, looking forward to season 2, hopefully they'll write a more interesting climax next season or I can't see HBO, with their track history, keeping this show afloat for another season. You act like the climax has to be at the end of a story for it to be good literature.
Are you talking about the books or the TV show? TV can't be the same as the books or a story. Especially on this network since HBO isn't the most care-free. You understand that there is a year/season between the next episode and dollar signs and whatever else in between that. That episode was bad, I stopped watching Camelot after episode 2 for similar reasons as a good example. Yet I loved the books and the story has so much to offer, supposing no one had heard of King Arthur before that show.
It's interesting because on this forum I thought I would get a mixed response from the fans of the books on the show however they are often defending the show without question like it can do no wrong. While in other forums (some not online) people are confused and on the ropes about it, some people dropped the show at Ned's death. You can't ignore that stuff. That really means something. As a fan of many HBO shows in the past, I see bad omens when they do poo-poo like this. Thankfully it was only one episode, albeit an important one...
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On June 20 2011 15:09 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 14:58 crms wrote:On June 20 2011 14:51 Lomak wrote:On June 20 2011 14:48 crms wrote:
well that was a disappointing episode, I can't believe all of the high praise just because there were some dragons.
the main storyline had 0 resolution. we're just as lost as to who will 'win the game of thrones' and how the families of the realm will settle this war as we were 4 episodes ago.
the other main theme of the targaryans using the dothraki to recapture the throne was a bust, the doth'raki left and the khal drogo is dead. What was the point of developing them so much?
Mergh, just so let down right now. I was really hoping for some stark/lanister resolution. Whatever maybe I'll like it more after I take a step back and think about it more. Yea and what was the deal with Frodo taking like forever to get to Mordor. He should of just took the train and wrapped that shit up ASAP. Could of ended that movie in a couple hours tops. Are you joking? You'd think after watching ~10 hours of a show you'd know more in the 10th hour as you did in the 1st. Nice troll attempt though. Also if you want to be a complete tool, all of the lord of the rings movies could fit in the time of this season so congrats. I could have total and complete resolution of middle earth in the time it took me to get 0 resolution in games of thrones. Thanks for being a douche bag. I loved the series just not a fan of the final episode. You watched the first season of what will be a 7 novel story. There is no resolution after the first just like there was no resolution after The Fellowship of the Ring. You saw them form that group, Gandalf falls down a cliff with a Balrog, Boromir dies and the group splits up at the end. OH MY GOD WHERE IS THE CLOSURE?! Book one's ending sets up the next one ("A Clash of Kings", which will be season 2 of the show), which will deal with all the issues laid out here. You have Robb, the new "King of the North", Stannis and Renly Baratheon, and Joffrey in King's Landing, Daenerys and her dragons (which btw is why the Dothraki storyline is important), Jon Snow and Night's Watch with their developments, Arya's adventures and Sansa being held in King's Landing just to name a few. I'm sorry but I don't know how you expected closure of an epic 7 novel story in the first book's events. If you want a quick story this isn't for you.
Pretty sure people who are defending the ending are misunderstanding. No one was expecting the Darthrakki to make their way over for a giant Mexican stand off epic battle and have Joffry die and the Starkes emerge victorious over the course of the last episode.
Just that it was a very disappointing episode. Basically it felt like the first episode of what should have been a second season to be honest. Felt like everything that occurred in the episode was just setting up for the next season rather than being an actual season finale.
If the books didn't exist and you looked at the show as a singular piece of work, there's no way you could say that was the best place to end. I respect the makers of the show for staying true to the book though, as it's probably a big risk.
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Anyone else think that Arya looks frickin adorable with her hair cut short? The look suits her so well IMO
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On June 20 2011 12:14 ShadowDrgn wrote:
So how many of you guys that haven't read the books are actually going to wait a year for the next season instead of reading the series?
storing awesome youtube comment:
People complaining about a 1 year wait? Oh my sweet summer child. What do you know of waiting? Waiting is for the long night, when GRRM hides for years and children are born and live and die all before the next book comes out.
moocow212 3 hours ago
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On June 20 2011 15:49 Xenixx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 15:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 20 2011 14:41 Xenixx wrote:
First of all, I'm shocked at how well that last episode went over here. That episode sucked, was such a weak ending. If I wasn't feverishly reading thru book 1 and solidified as a fan after episode 9 I don't think I would care about season 2 after that episode.
Maybe they should have taken the chance and saved Ned's beheading for the last epsiode. Particularly because they had nothing else interesting to go off of.
With that said, looking forward to season 2, hopefully they'll write a more interesting climax next season or I can't see HBO, with their track history, keeping this show afloat for another season. You act like the climax has to be at the end of a story for it to be good literature. Are you talking about the books or the TV show? TV can't be the same as the books or a story. Especially on this network since HBO isn't the most care-free. You understand that there is a year/season between the next episode and dollar signs and whatever else in between that. That episode was bad, I stopped watching Camelot after episode 2 for similar reasons as a good example. Yet I loved the books and the story has so much to offer, supposing no one had heard of King Arthur before that show. It's interesting because on this forum I thought I would get a mixed response from the fans of the books on the show however they are often defending the show without question like it can do no wrong. While in other forums (some not online) people are confused and on the ropes about it, some people dropped the show at Ned's death. You can't ignore that stuff. That really means something. As a fan of many HBO shows in the past, I see bad omens when they do poo-poo like this. Thankfully it was only one episode, albeit an important one...
You better be prepared for ANYONE to die, i mean friggin Ned died and he was my number one will not die guy, so anyone can die at anytime.
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I'm going trough the book's, and final chapter of GoT had the same feeling as the ending of 1st season, and for me the feeling was to dug in the next as quick as I can.
Also, I don't think that's bad television, I think it's just different television (as the books are special), if you know that there will be craploads of reveals and cliffhangers in the season finale, you might eventually get less interested in episodes leading to it, same thing as the whole you can't kill "main" characters, witch served as a "no one is safe" for the series.
I for one appreciate this way of doing it, and if you like the series, you will watch it and get your closures from every other you watch.
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alot of people complaining about tv not having resolute endings should watch soap operas, never ending stories just like real life -.-
Learn to admire EPIC story telling of television, I don't think there have been many shows with such epicly based story telling ever. And stopping watching camelot is different...that show was just terribad!
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On June 20 2011 15:56 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:14 ShadowDrgn wrote:
So how many of you guys that haven't read the books are actually going to wait a year for the next season instead of reading the series? storing awesome youtube comment: People complaining about a 1 year wait? Oh my sweet summer child. What do you know of waiting? Waiting is for the long night, when GRRM hides for years and children are born and live and die all before the next book comes out. moocow212 3 hours ago
oh my god that is awesome.
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On June 20 2011 15:56 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:14 ShadowDrgn wrote:
So how many of you guys that haven't read the books are actually going to wait a year for the next season instead of reading the series? storing awesome youtube comment: People complaining about a 1 year wait? Oh my sweet summer child. What do you know of waiting? Waiting is for the long night, when GRRM hides for years and children are born and live and die all before the next book comes out. moocow212 3 hours ago
epic!
The new TV fans are learning what its like to be a GRRM fan. First ned and now the long wait for answers which will only lead to more waits for more answers. You are all men of the nights watch now, as in watching tv at night..umm also for good measure: winter is coming.
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On June 20 2011 15:03 Xenixx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 15:01 crms wrote:On June 20 2011 14:58 Vvix wrote:On June 20 2011 14:48 crms wrote:
well that was a disappointing episode, I can't believe all of the high praise just because there were some dragons.
the main storyline had 0 resolution. we're just as lost as to who will 'win the game of thrones' and how the families of the realm will settle this war as we were 4 episodes ago.
the other main theme of the targaryans using the dothraki to recapture the throne was a bust, the doth'raki left and the khal drogo is dead. What was the point of developing them so much?
also the wall... the first episode showed some tid bits about the wall and then there was nothing but a random reanimated corpse and the final episode FINALLY gets back to the wall but again, there is nothing but the same line we've heard over an entire season 'winter is coming', when? the 2nd book? the 2nd season? Season 4?
Ughh, just so let down right now. I was really hoping for some stark/lanister resolution. Whatever maybe I'll like it more after I take a step back and think about it more. I think you're naive if you expected full resolution of the plot within the end of the first season. The whole thing itself is atm 5 books and is expected to be 7. We don't need full resolution. I understand there are more books..I just feel more was needed than what was giving. You aren't alone. The only people defending that ending are fan boys. Simply not true, I haven't read the books and thought the ending was fine, if there was some kind of Lannister/Stark resolution + Dothraki invasion in the final episode I think it would've been way too much and taken away from the steady pace they've set on the storyline.
Anyway, I did have a quick question, probably wasn't paying as much attention as I should've, what exactly was Jon Snow's motivation to go serve at the wall?
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cms and Xenixx: I suggest you read this, perhaps it will change your mind about how you view the series. In fact I recommend anyone who's interested in this series to check it out, M. Ryan has put out some more insightful commentary on the series
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That's not necessary. I've already said I love the series. I was officially hooked after they killed Ned because I was so shocked and picked up the books after episode 1 aired. I'm being objective about the subject. The final episode was by my count the only episode that stunk.
Adebisi, what did you like about the finale? What was done well? I've also noted that you used the word 'fine' to describe it.
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