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On June 09 2011 03:17 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:02 Euronyme wrote:On June 09 2011 02:11 RajaF wrote:On June 09 2011 02:03 Euronyme wrote:On June 09 2011 01:42 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:On June 09 2011 01:33 Euronyme wrote:
I dunno I'm kind of disappointed. Watched the first episode and the first thing that happens: Fucking zombies killing everyone! I thought I was in for a treat.
The next 6 hours I'm just sitting there watching people talk talk talk talk, have sex, some more sex, speak about who they'll marry, talk while having sex and then chill out and eat meat.
I'll keep watching for sure, but I sure hope something more exciting/ epic happens.
So far I feel like it's been chilltown USA, even though admittedly sometimes someone gets pissed and does something marginally interesting. It's Mentalities like this, why good character driven dramas get cancelled. There is action but the heart of the show is in it's characters and the world they live in. When you exist in a world where you could die at any turn you will be hanging at the edge of your seat waiting to see which of your favorite characters will meet their demise. They have more actions scenes so far than sex. So why does everyone keep saying this show is so bad for all the sex? I just don't understand it, none of the sex scenes have been longer than a minute + Show Spoiler +except the lesbian scene episode 7? So what would you want, minimal talking while everyone just swings swords killing each other at least one death a minute? Ultra Violence? What do you want to see? I don't mind the sex scenes that much. I just see them as a lack of script in general. Seen Caligula? I didn't say that it was bad. I just said that the first 10 minutes were really cool and picked up some pace, and then it just fell flat down in tempo. What I'm saying is that the series to me feel somewhat uncut, and that there are alot of scenes that don't really bring anything new. I guess some people would say the same thing about lord of the rings, and I'd fucking rip their hearts out. I've never even heard about the books until I stumbled upon this thread. All I can judge from is the first 8 episodes. It's funny that you talk about sex scenes when there were exactly 3 of them in the whole 7 episodes and they don't total more than 5 minutes total in length. And the whole point of the first scene with zombies is to create tension. Have you ever watched Aliens? They barely ever show the slimy bastards. Instead the focus is on the tension that they create. Hence why it's one of the best thrillers ever made. If I want to watch zombies gore people then I'll watch some crappy B movie. Wow did you actually count them? FYI there are 3 in the first episode O.o Right, but in the Alien films they are always aware of the alien, and it's what the film revolves around. That's what builds the tension. The difference is that they basically live in parallel universes in game of thrones, and everyone seems to more or less live in the bliss of ignorance, which kind of defeats the tension in the long run. Imagine if the alien kept killing people on the space ship, and everyone kept blaming it on bird flue.. It wouldn't work out. After 8 long episodes the zombies (or whatever they are) havn't even been mentioned afaik, and no one seems to care much about them. I think the main reason to why I think this way is because you don't really see the beginning of a new era or anything. You just jump in in a fairly everyday scenario of the world. This might be a bad correlation, but take lord of the rings for instance. You emmidiately get thrown into a new era, the war of the ring. I wouldn't mind if they dragged out the films with 10 extra hours of talking and having sex, talk about which cousin to marry etc as long as there's somewhat of a clear plot, direction or tension. I havn't felt that involvement yet, even though admittedly the acting is quite good. There are a couple of points I might be wrong in though ofcourse. Maybe as someone stated earlier I'm just a mouth breathing retard who's the reason good shows are being put on hold though. Maybe the show is just about to pick up it's pace and make me as a viewer feel more involved. How many episodes is it supposed to run on? I assume there's a set number as they apperantly mirror books. Knowing HBO I'd say around 20. Last but not least; maybe it's supposed to be a realistic view of a fantasy world, in which we get a glimpse of how business in general was done there and then. I'm sorry if I come off as a troll trying to create a debate, I merely see that the series have passionate followers, and I'd like to know what you know that makes it better than average. The first season is 10 episodes and covers the first book. But, yea, I think the reason you are disappointed is that the first 10 minutes made you think this is a different kind of show than it actually is. The purpose of those minutes were to seed one important plot line that gets picked up later (and it does. People do talk about the white walkers and things beyond the wall in other episodes, and you did see zombies in episode 8. How could you miss that?). However, this is mainly a character driven show, and the title "Game of Thrones" signifies the main focus of the show more than those first 10 minutes. Anyway, how fast did Lost develop in the first 2 seasons (40 episodes!)? Or many other tv series?
Awright thanks. That was the answere I was looking for. I had never heard of the show, and if it starts out with a boom, you expect more to come. I won't stop watching though.
I honestly couldn't remember they were called white walkers, so that might have a part of it, and I watched the eighth episode half asleep T_T
I always had a feeling that they rewrote the storyline of lost twice a week, and that's also why almost all of my friends stopped watching after season two lmao.
I tend to stick with what I start with though.
I really appreciate your civil answere. I had a feeling I would have to read through several death threats before I got something of your quality ♥
God Bless TL.
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On June 09 2011 02:51 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:28 Pifualkd wrote:
I can understand how some people would have an issue understanding the scale of the story. A weak point of the show has been expressing travel times and population density appropriately, what with the teleporting ravens and what must be the world's fastest turnip cart. To be fair, Ros said that she took the turnip cart down to White Harbor (not that far) and a ship from there (notably faster than a turnip cart). And the teleporting ravens come down to the illusion that no time passes between two scenes, while in fact some of the episodes have covered more than a month. Edit: if HBO could afford to use the same software as they used in Lotr, it wouldn't be that much of a difference to stage a battle with 5000 or 50000 soldiers (except in computer calculation and rendering time). The main cost is in having to build a detailed CGI landscape and integrating the live action elements, as well as building up a libary of animations and soldier models. If you have to use other techniques such as duplicating shots of 50 guys fighting, the cost would probably scale more with the amount of duplications as you would have to adjust every one of them manually. What they will probably have to do is to have the battles in forests or hill-covered landscapes and use lots of close up shots so that you can't see the whole battle from each shot. I am looking forward to see what they will be able to do though.
Personally I do not expect anything out of any future battles. They already shown us with the tourney and the weak dothraki numbers how is it going to be, I see no reason why change now. Maybe for the end of the season we get something a bit more costly but I do not even expect that.
Just like Rome, this series is not about big battles, but cool characters and gritty storyline. I loved that in Rome (still my #1 TV series right there in front of Dexter), and that is what is making this one good.
If we are lucky the second season is going to get a bigger budget (keep your fingers crossed) and we might finally see some scale and awesome fights/stuff. At least all the money that went into casting and set building and that stuff could now be allocated to the other parts of the show. Unless some greedy suits at HBO decide to increase their margin by taking that money out of production.
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On June 09 2011 03:53 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:51 Maginor wrote:On June 09 2011 02:28 Pifualkd wrote:
I can understand how some people would have an issue understanding the scale of the story. A weak point of the show has been expressing travel times and population density appropriately, what with the teleporting ravens and what must be the world's fastest turnip cart. To be fair, Ros said that she took the turnip cart down to White Harbor (not that far) and a ship from there (notably faster than a turnip cart). And the teleporting ravens come down to the illusion that no time passes between two scenes, while in fact some of the episodes have covered more than a month. Edit: if HBO could afford to use the same software as they used in Lotr, it wouldn't be that much of a difference to stage a battle with 5000 or 50000 soldiers (except in computer calculation and rendering time). The main cost is in having to build a detailed CGI landscape and integrating the live action elements, as well as building up a libary of animations and soldier models. If you have to use other techniques such as duplicating shots of 50 guys fighting, the cost would probably scale more with the amount of duplications as you would have to adjust every one of them manually. What they will probably have to do is to have the battles in forests or hill-covered landscapes and use lots of close up shots so that you can't see the whole battle from each shot. I am looking forward to see what they will be able to do though. Personally I do not expect anything out of any future battles. They already shown us with the tourney and the weak dothraki numbers how is it going to be, I see no reason why change now. Maybe for the end of the season we get something a bit more costly but I do not even expect that. Just like Rome, this series is not about big battles, but cool characters and gritty storyline. I loved that in Rome (still my #1 TV series right there in front of Dexter), and that is what is making this one good. If we are lucky the second season is going to get a bigger budget (keep your fingers crossed) and we might finally see some scale and awesome fights/stuff. At least all the money that went into casting and set building and that stuff could now be allocated to the other parts of the show. Unless some greedy suits at HBO decide to increase their margin by taking that money out of production.
Still, Rome did have a few big battles. We did see a few 20000 vs 20000ish battles. Obviously it's not LoTR quality, but I don't think we should just write it off. Besides, Rome was filmed a few years back, technology is always improving
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On June 09 2011 03:00 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:39 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:23 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 02:14 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:08 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 01:47 alypse wrote:
mod edit: Don't spoil.
Edit: Eh, don't know why mod edited my post. I did not spoil anything at all. I did not read the books and things I said already happened in the show. Is it because of the picture??? I reported your post because the picture had a big spoiler in it. You didn't notice? For a person who did not read the books there's nothing abnormal with that pic. But now that you have mentioned, then I figured it out.... I wish you did not mention it though TT I'm sorry man... you asked if the reason for the edit was the picture... That's fine, and you're right, it's me who asked for it in the first place. About the arguments about the size of the troops, I really don't think it's out of proportions if Westeros is as big as Europe, as some guy about mentioned. The thing that bugs me is that in the show, we have not seen any sign of an army that consists of tens of thousands of men. So far we only saw a lot of tents and a few Dothraki riders... I doubt if HBO will have the budget to erect huge battles like in LOTR. ... You realize the battles in LOTR were done with computers, right?
Of course I do. So what are you trying to say?
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On June 09 2011 05:57 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:53 -Archangel- wrote:On June 09 2011 02:51 Maginor wrote:On June 09 2011 02:28 Pifualkd wrote:
I can understand how some people would have an issue understanding the scale of the story. A weak point of the show has been expressing travel times and population density appropriately, what with the teleporting ravens and what must be the world's fastest turnip cart. To be fair, Ros said that she took the turnip cart down to White Harbor (not that far) and a ship from there (notably faster than a turnip cart). And the teleporting ravens come down to the illusion that no time passes between two scenes, while in fact some of the episodes have covered more than a month. Edit: if HBO could afford to use the same software as they used in Lotr, it wouldn't be that much of a difference to stage a battle with 5000 or 50000 soldiers (except in computer calculation and rendering time). The main cost is in having to build a detailed CGI landscape and integrating the live action elements, as well as building up a libary of animations and soldier models. If you have to use other techniques such as duplicating shots of 50 guys fighting, the cost would probably scale more with the amount of duplications as you would have to adjust every one of them manually. What they will probably have to do is to have the battles in forests or hill-covered landscapes and use lots of close up shots so that you can't see the whole battle from each shot. I am looking forward to see what they will be able to do though. Personally I do not expect anything out of any future battles. They already shown us with the tourney and the weak dothraki numbers how is it going to be, I see no reason why change now. Maybe for the end of the season we get something a bit more costly but I do not even expect that. Just like Rome, this series is not about big battles, but cool characters and gritty storyline. I loved that in Rome (still my #1 TV series right there in front of Dexter), and that is what is making this one good. If we are lucky the second season is going to get a bigger budget (keep your fingers crossed) and we might finally see some scale and awesome fights/stuff. At least all the money that went into casting and set building and that stuff could now be allocated to the other parts of the show. Unless some greedy suits at HBO decide to increase their margin by taking that money out of production. Still, Rome did have a few big battles. We did see a few 20000 vs 20000ish battles. Obviously it's not LoTR quality, but I don't think we should just write it off. Besides, Rome was filmed a few years back, technology is always improving
I do not remember any 20000 vs 20000 battle in Rome. They had a few people fighting each other and then generals later would tell us who won and how it happened.
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On June 09 2011 03:53 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:51 Maginor wrote:On June 09 2011 02:28 Pifualkd wrote:
I can understand how some people would have an issue understanding the scale of the story. A weak point of the show has been expressing travel times and population density appropriately, what with the teleporting ravens and what must be the world's fastest turnip cart. To be fair, Ros said that she took the turnip cart down to White Harbor (not that far) and a ship from there (notably faster than a turnip cart). And the teleporting ravens come down to the illusion that no time passes between two scenes, while in fact some of the episodes have covered more than a month. Edit: if HBO could afford to use the same software as they used in Lotr, it wouldn't be that much of a difference to stage a battle with 5000 or 50000 soldiers (except in computer calculation and rendering time). The main cost is in having to build a detailed CGI landscape and integrating the live action elements, as well as building up a libary of animations and soldier models. If you have to use other techniques such as duplicating shots of 50 guys fighting, the cost would probably scale more with the amount of duplications as you would have to adjust every one of them manually. What they will probably have to do is to have the battles in forests or hill-covered landscapes and use lots of close up shots so that you can't see the whole battle from each shot. I am looking forward to see what they will be able to do though. Personally I do not expect anything out of any future battles. They already shown us with the tourney and the weak dothraki numbers how is it going to be, I see no reason why change now. Maybe for the end of the season we get something a bit more costly but I do not even expect that. Just like Rome, this series is not about big battles, but cool characters and gritty storyline. I loved that in Rome (still my #1 TV series right there in front of Dexter), and that is what is making this one good. If we are lucky the second season is going to get a bigger budget (keep your fingers crossed) and we might finally see some scale and awesome fights/stuff. At least all the money that went into casting and set building and that stuff could now be allocated to the other parts of the show. Unless some greedy suits at HBO decide to increase their margin by taking that money out of production.
yeah im kinda scared as well about any future big battles.
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On June 09 2011 08:58 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 05:57 1Eris1 wrote:On June 09 2011 03:53 -Archangel- wrote:On June 09 2011 02:51 Maginor wrote:On June 09 2011 02:28 Pifualkd wrote:
I can understand how some people would have an issue understanding the scale of the story. A weak point of the show has been expressing travel times and population density appropriately, what with the teleporting ravens and what must be the world's fastest turnip cart. To be fair, Ros said that she took the turnip cart down to White Harbor (not that far) and a ship from there (notably faster than a turnip cart). And the teleporting ravens come down to the illusion that no time passes between two scenes, while in fact some of the episodes have covered more than a month. Edit: if HBO could afford to use the same software as they used in Lotr, it wouldn't be that much of a difference to stage a battle with 5000 or 50000 soldiers (except in computer calculation and rendering time). The main cost is in having to build a detailed CGI landscape and integrating the live action elements, as well as building up a libary of animations and soldier models. If you have to use other techniques such as duplicating shots of 50 guys fighting, the cost would probably scale more with the amount of duplications as you would have to adjust every one of them manually. What they will probably have to do is to have the battles in forests or hill-covered landscapes and use lots of close up shots so that you can't see the whole battle from each shot. I am looking forward to see what they will be able to do though. Personally I do not expect anything out of any future battles. They already shown us with the tourney and the weak dothraki numbers how is it going to be, I see no reason why change now. Maybe for the end of the season we get something a bit more costly but I do not even expect that. Just like Rome, this series is not about big battles, but cool characters and gritty storyline. I loved that in Rome (still my #1 TV series right there in front of Dexter), and that is what is making this one good. If we are lucky the second season is going to get a bigger budget (keep your fingers crossed) and we might finally see some scale and awesome fights/stuff. At least all the money that went into casting and set building and that stuff could now be allocated to the other parts of the show. Unless some greedy suits at HBO decide to increase their margin by taking that money out of production. Still, Rome did have a few big battles. We did see a few 20000 vs 20000ish battles. Obviously it's not LoTR quality, but I don't think we should just write it off. Besides, Rome was filmed a few years back, technology is always improving I do not remember any 20000 vs 20000 battle in Rome. They had a few people fighting each other and then generals later would tell us who won and how it happened.
Phillipi or whatever? I seem to remember it being the 1st time they actually really showed legions of men marching
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On June 09 2011 06:50 alypse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:00 travis wrote:On June 09 2011 02:39 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:23 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 02:14 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:08 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 01:47 alypse wrote:
mod edit: Don't spoil.
Edit: Eh, don't know why mod edited my post. I did not spoil anything at all. I did not read the books and things I said already happened in the show. Is it because of the picture??? I reported your post because the picture had a big spoiler in it. You didn't notice? For a person who did not read the books there's nothing abnormal with that pic. But now that you have mentioned, then I figured it out.... I wish you did not mention it though TT I'm sorry man... you asked if the reason for the edit was the picture... That's fine, and you're right, it's me who asked for it in the first place. About the arguments about the size of the troops, I really don't think it's out of proportions if Westeros is as big as Europe, as some guy about mentioned. The thing that bugs me is that in the show, we have not seen any sign of an army that consists of tens of thousands of men. So far we only saw a lot of tents and a few Dothraki riders... I doubt if HBO will have the budget to erect huge battles like in LOTR. ... You realize the battles in LOTR were done with computers, right? Of course I do. So what are you trying to say?
I am trying to say that I think HBO definitely has the budget to create such battles.
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On June 09 2011 09:28 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 06:50 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 03:00 travis wrote:On June 09 2011 02:39 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:23 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 02:14 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:08 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 01:47 alypse wrote:
mod edit: Don't spoil.
Edit: Eh, don't know why mod edited my post. I did not spoil anything at all. I did not read the books and things I said already happened in the show. Is it because of the picture??? I reported your post because the picture had a big spoiler in it. You didn't notice? For a person who did not read the books there's nothing abnormal with that pic. But now that you have mentioned, then I figured it out.... I wish you did not mention it though TT I'm sorry man... you asked if the reason for the edit was the picture... That's fine, and you're right, it's me who asked for it in the first place. About the arguments about the size of the troops, I really don't think it's out of proportions if Westeros is as big as Europe, as some guy about mentioned. The thing that bugs me is that in the show, we have not seen any sign of an army that consists of tens of thousands of men. So far we only saw a lot of tents and a few Dothraki riders... I doubt if HBO will have the budget to erect huge battles like in LOTR. ... You realize the battles in LOTR were done with computers, right? Of course I do. So what are you trying to say? I am trying to say that I think HBO definitely has the budget to create such battles.
One would hope so
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On June 09 2011 09:28 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 06:50 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 03:00 travis wrote:On June 09 2011 02:39 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:23 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 02:14 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:08 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 01:47 alypse wrote:
mod edit: Don't spoil.
Edit: Eh, don't know why mod edited my post. I did not spoil anything at all. I did not read the books and things I said already happened in the show. Is it because of the picture??? I reported your post because the picture had a big spoiler in it. You didn't notice? For a person who did not read the books there's nothing abnormal with that pic. But now that you have mentioned, then I figured it out.... I wish you did not mention it though TT I'm sorry man... you asked if the reason for the edit was the picture... That's fine, and you're right, it's me who asked for it in the first place. About the arguments about the size of the troops, I really don't think it's out of proportions if Westeros is as big as Europe, as some guy about mentioned. The thing that bugs me is that in the show, we have not seen any sign of an army that consists of tens of thousands of men. So far we only saw a lot of tents and a few Dothraki riders... I doubt if HBO will have the budget to erect huge battles like in LOTR. ... You realize the battles in LOTR were done with computers, right? Of course I do. So what are you trying to say? I am trying to say that I think HBO definitely has the budget to create such battles.
Each of the Lord of the Rings movies had a budget of around 93 million dollars. Granted salaries are a fair bit of that but sets and quality CG are not cheap. HBO's Rome on the other hand was cancelled in season 2 due to the budget reasons.
The first season of Rome had a budget of 110 million dollars for 12 1-hour episodes (with HBO paying $85 million and the BBC paying $25 million). According to Entertainment Weekly, GoT's budget is comparable to that of Rome, but you are still talking about 10 1-hour episodes per season. You will not see the expenses you see in a 2 or 3 hour movie.
For comparison, other HBO shows that required much less in the way of sets and costumes (like The Sopranos) had a budget of $2-3 million per episode their first season.
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sick tv show sick discussion on here too like reading what u guys are thinking about the episodes ^^
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On June 09 2011 03:02 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:11 RajaF wrote:On June 09 2011 02:03 Euronyme wrote:On June 09 2011 01:42 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:On June 09 2011 01:33 Euronyme wrote:
I dunno I'm kind of disappointed. Watched the first episode and the first thing that happens: Fucking zombies killing everyone! I thought I was in for a treat.
The next 6 hours I'm just sitting there watching people talk talk talk talk, have sex, some more sex, speak about who they'll marry, talk while having sex and then chill out and eat meat.
I'll keep watching for sure, but I sure hope something more exciting/ epic happens.
So far I feel like it's been chilltown USA, even though admittedly sometimes someone gets pissed and does something marginally interesting. It's Mentalities like this, why good character driven dramas get cancelled. There is action but the heart of the show is in it's characters and the world they live in. When you exist in a world where you could die at any turn you will be hanging at the edge of your seat waiting to see which of your favorite characters will meet their demise. They have more actions scenes so far than sex. So why does everyone keep saying this show is so bad for all the sex? I just don't understand it, none of the sex scenes have been longer than a minute + Show Spoiler +except the lesbian scene episode 7? So what would you want, minimal talking while everyone just swings swords killing each other at least one death a minute? Ultra Violence? What do you want to see? I don't mind the sex scenes that much. I just see them as a lack of script in general. Seen Caligula? I didn't say that it was bad. I just said that the first 10 minutes were really cool and picked up some pace, and then it just fell flat down in tempo. What I'm saying is that the series to me feel somewhat uncut, and that there are alot of scenes that don't really bring anything new. I guess some people would say the same thing about lord of the rings, and I'd fucking rip their hearts out. I've never even heard about the books until I stumbled upon this thread. All I can judge from is the first 8 episodes. It's funny that you talk about sex scenes when there were exactly 3 of them in the whole 7 episodes and they don't total more than 5 minutes total in length. And the whole point of the first scene with zombies is to create tension. Have you ever watched Aliens? They barely ever show the slimy bastards. Instead the focus is on the tension that they create. Hence why it's one of the best thrillers ever made. If I want to watch zombies gore people then I'll watch some crappy B movie. Wow did you actually count them? FYI there are 3 in the first episode O.o Right, but in the Alien films they are always aware of the alien, and it's what the film revolves around. That's what builds the tension. The difference is that they basically live in parallel universes in game of thrones, and everyone seems to more or less live in the bliss of ignorance, which kind of defeats the tension in the long run. Imagine if the alien kept killing people on the space ship, and everyone kept blaming it on bird flue.. It wouldn't work out. After 8 long episodes the zombies (or whatever they are) havn't even been mentioned afaik, and no one seems to care much about them. I think the main reason to why I think this way is because you don't really see the beginning of a new era or anything. You just jump in in a fairly everyday scenario of the world. This might be a bad correlation, but take lord of the rings for instance. You emmidiately get thrown into a new era, the war of the ring. I wouldn't mind if they dragged out the films with 10 extra hours of talking and having sex, talk about which cousin to marry etc as long as there's somewhat of a clear plot, direction or tension. I havn't felt that involvement yet, even though admittedly the acting is quite good. There are a couple of points I might be wrong in though ofcourse. Maybe as someone stated earlier I'm just a mouth breathing retard who's the reason good shows are being put on hold though. Maybe the show is just about to pick up it's pace and make me as a viewer feel more involved. How many episodes is it supposed to run on? I assume there's a set number as they apperantly mirror books. Knowing HBO I'd say around 20. Last but not least; maybe it's supposed to be a realistic view of a fantasy world, in which we get a glimpse of how business in general was done there and then. I'm sorry if I come off as a troll trying to create a debate, I merely see that the series have passionate followers, and I'd like to know what you know that makes it better than average.
I actually think this is a fair point. But you have to think from the point of view of the characters. To them, the Wall really is another world, as is the Dothraki. They have their own concerns and motivations, and their own agendas, so they aren't spending too much time on things that might not be happening, might change or are just too far away to bother worrying about. It does seem a little unrelated to each other at times, but think of it as scene setting. This is building to various things, and eventually will come to a head as the distinct parts clash, but for now they all have more immediate concerns, and are dealing with them. Still, some characters have an eye on the horizon - think of Varys and his contacts across the Narrow Sea, or Robert trying to have Danearys killed. This is the slow boil period of the show. Here's hoping it stays uncancelled long enough to really fulfill the potential of Martin's work.
It's very close to the source material, and I like the different aspects, personally. They've done a good job of seperating out the storylines and having these distinct threads, but they still react to each other and interact. As you suggested I think it's a pretty good attempt at bringing a whole mediaeval world to life, with everyone having their own aims which sometimes work with other people's, and sometimes don't. For me, the characters are great and seeing the way they've brought to life these guys is amazing. But it's not for everyone.
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On June 09 2011 09:28 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 06:50 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 03:00 travis wrote:On June 09 2011 02:39 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:23 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 02:14 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:08 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 01:47 alypse wrote:
mod edit: Don't spoil.
Edit: Eh, don't know why mod edited my post. I did not spoil anything at all. I did not read the books and things I said already happened in the show. Is it because of the picture??? I reported your post because the picture had a big spoiler in it. You didn't notice? For a person who did not read the books there's nothing abnormal with that pic. But now that you have mentioned, then I figured it out.... I wish you did not mention it though TT I'm sorry man... you asked if the reason for the edit was the picture... That's fine, and you're right, it's me who asked for it in the first place. About the arguments about the size of the troops, I really don't think it's out of proportions if Westeros is as big as Europe, as some guy about mentioned. The thing that bugs me is that in the show, we have not seen any sign of an army that consists of tens of thousands of men. So far we only saw a lot of tents and a few Dothraki riders... I doubt if HBO will have the budget to erect huge battles like in LOTR. ... You realize the battles in LOTR were done with computers, right? Of course I do. So what are you trying to say? I am trying to say that I think HBO definitely has the budget to create such battles.
I guessed you thought that. If only that was the case. Coz the help of computers doesn't mean you can make whatever you want without spending too much money. Computer graphics is a must but film makers still have to worry about a lot of other factors. They must have (quite a lot) of real people participating in the scene - from which the CGI experts can work their magic so that a bunch of people fighting looks like a epic battlefield with thousands of troops. And they must do it carefully to not make it look like a video game or an animated cartoon. And then there are the costumes, armors (for the real people), timing... All of them take a significant amount of time, money and effort. I watched 2 making-of videos of Gladiator and 300 where they described the fights, so I'm sure about this. LORT trilogy itself required a shitton of armors - costumes - tools. Each movie cost about $100 mil - huge amount back in 2000-2003 and a good portion of it went into the epic battles . Therefore, with a TV series like this I really don't know if HBO can make huge, vibrant battles. I have seen what they did in the first episode of Spartacus and ...ugh... Let's see what they can do in GoT. That is, if the battles DO take place lol
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This is such an awesome series. I can't wait for episode 8.
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On June 09 2011 14:35 Shirohige wrote:
This is such an awesome series. I can't wait for episode 8.
Episode 8's out...
I hate the lannisters!!! Gaahhhhh Jon Snow for the win!
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On June 09 2011 14:37 RezChi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 14:35 Shirohige wrote:
This is such an awesome series. I can't wait for episode 8. Episode 8's out... I hate the lannisters!!! Gaahhhhh Jon Snow for the win!
I dont know, I quite like Tyrion. I want him to be my friend =P
I also suspect he was telling the truth. I believe that he honestly had no idea about what happened to Bran. Has it been mentioned if he knows about his brother and sister (the incest)?
'Cuase I woudlnt be surprised if that was news to him, too. I could have just missed something though. I dont feel like he's that bad a guy, basically.
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On June 09 2011 14:19 alypse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 09:28 travis wrote:On June 09 2011 06:50 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 03:00 travis wrote:On June 09 2011 02:39 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:23 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 02:14 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:08 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 01:47 alypse wrote:
mod edit: Don't spoil.
Edit: Eh, don't know why mod edited my post. I did not spoil anything at all. I did not read the books and things I said already happened in the show. Is it because of the picture??? I reported your post because the picture had a big spoiler in it. You didn't notice? For a person who did not read the books there's nothing abnormal with that pic. But now that you have mentioned, then I figured it out.... I wish you did not mention it though TT I'm sorry man... you asked if the reason for the edit was the picture... That's fine, and you're right, it's me who asked for it in the first place. About the arguments about the size of the troops, I really don't think it's out of proportions if Westeros is as big as Europe, as some guy about mentioned. The thing that bugs me is that in the show, we have not seen any sign of an army that consists of tens of thousands of men. So far we only saw a lot of tents and a few Dothraki riders... I doubt if HBO will have the budget to erect huge battles like in LOTR. ... You realize the battles in LOTR were done with computers, right? Of course I do. So what are you trying to say? I am trying to say that I think HBO definitely has the budget to create such battles. I guessed you thought that. If only that was the case. Coz the help of computers doesn't mean you can make whatever you want without spending too much money. Computer graphics is a must but film makers still have to worry about a lot of other factors. They must have (quite a lot) of real people participating in the scene - from which the CGI experts can work their magic so that a bunch of people fighting looks like a epic battlefield with thousands of troops. And they must do it carefully to not make it look like a video game or an animated cartoon. And then there are the costumes, armors (for the real people), timing... All of them take a significant amount of time, money and effort. I watched 2 making-of videos of Gladiator and 300 where they described the fights, so I'm sure about this. LORT trilogy itself required a shitton of armors - costumes - tools. Each movie cost about $100 mil - huge amount back in 2000-2003 and a good portion of it went into the epic battles . Therefore, with a TV series like this I really don't know if HBO can make huge, vibrant battles. I have seen what they did in the first episode of Spartacus and ...ugh... Let's see what they can do in GoT. That is, if the battles DO take place lol
Not to mention that the CGI in itself is very hard to do, time consuming, and therefore also expensive.
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On June 09 2011 17:19 Crazyeyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 14:37 RezChi wrote:On June 09 2011 14:35 Shirohige wrote:
This is such an awesome series. I can't wait for episode 8. Episode 8's out... I hate the lannisters!!! Gaahhhhh Jon Snow for the win! I dont know, I quite like Tyrion. I want him to be my friend =P I also suspect he was telling the truth. I believe that he honestly had no idea about what happened to Bran. Has it been mentioned if he knows about his brother and sister (the incest)? 'Cuase I woudlnt be surprised if that was news to him, too. I could have just missed something though. I dont feel like he's that bad a guy, basically.
It's not been mentioned yet. The closest you get to him knowing is his discussion with jaime at the start of episode 2 "Brother you wound me. You know how much I love my family". Even then it's ambiguous.
I could list a spoiler if you'd like that answers it better but I'd get banned for putting it in this thread.
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On June 09 2011 03:00 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:39 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:23 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 02:14 alypse wrote:On June 09 2011 02:08 11cc wrote:On June 09 2011 01:47 alypse wrote:
mod edit: Don't spoil.
Edit: Eh, don't know why mod edited my post. I did not spoil anything at all. I did not read the books and things I said already happened in the show. Is it because of the picture??? I reported your post because the picture had a big spoiler in it. You didn't notice? For a person who did not read the books there's nothing abnormal with that pic. But now that you have mentioned, then I figured it out.... I wish you did not mention it though TT I'm sorry man... you asked if the reason for the edit was the picture... That's fine, and you're right, it's me who asked for it in the first place. About the arguments about the size of the troops, I really don't think it's out of proportions if Westeros is as big as Europe, as some guy about mentioned. The thing that bugs me is that in the show, we have not seen any sign of an army that consists of tens of thousands of men. So far we only saw a lot of tents and a few Dothraki riders... I doubt if HBO will have the budget to erect huge battles like in LOTR. ... You realize the battles in LOTR were done with computers, right?
Are you implying quality CGI for large scale battles is cheap?
Please tell me you're not and I'm simply missing what you're attempting to convey.
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On June 09 2011 17:19 Crazyeyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 14:37 RezChi wrote:On June 09 2011 14:35 Shirohige wrote:
This is such an awesome series. I can't wait for episode 8. Episode 8's out... I hate the lannisters!!! Gaahhhhh Jon Snow for the win! I dont know, I quite like Tyrion. I want him to be my friend =P I also suspect he was telling the truth. I believe that he honestly had no idea about what happened to Bran. Has it been mentioned if he knows about his brother and sister (the incest)? 'Cuase I woudlnt be surprised if that was news to him, too. I could have just missed something though. I dont feel like he's that bad a guy, basically.
I would be very suprised if he doesnt know about it. He is a clever guy.
Also remember episode 1 when he said to Jaimie: "She has strange cravings, our sister."
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