On June 10 2011 23:01 Gobe wrote: I think what it was is that the wound from the boar wouldn't have killed him, but the Lannisters had even the people directly looking after the king in their service, and so they could tell the king he was going to die from the wound when actually he was just poisoned after the incident.
Well they kind of fracked up with the wound in the show. In the books the wound looked way worse and there was no doubt he was dying from it.
On June 11 2011 04:11 Curu wrote: No, he wasn't poisoned. That would have been very easy to detect and could be traced directly back to Lancel and subsequently the Lannisters. They just got him so drunk that the boar killed him.
It's not touched upon so much in the show but remember how Robert planned to participate in the Hand's tournament melee? The Lannisters saw that as an opportunity to kill him as well with being able to make it look like a complete accident, which is why Ned tried so hard to convince him not to compete.
Traced it with CSI or what? Nobody checked him for anything they DID mention his drink was tainted 0o
They only mentioned that it was stronger wine than what he was used to and that the squire urged him to drink more and more, and that he was constantly refilling the wineskin so it never went dry. I don't remember any mention of poison or otherwise "tainted" wine.
And by the way, they do autopsies in the 7K and can find out if someone was poisoned or not.
On June 11 2011 04:11 Curu wrote: No, he wasn't poisoned. That would have been very easy to detect and could be traced directly back to Lancel and subsequently the Lannisters. They just got him so drunk that the boar killed him.
It's not touched upon so much in the show but remember how Robert planned to participate in the Hand's tournament melee? The Lannisters saw that as an opportunity to kill him as well with being able to make it look like a complete accident, which is why Ned tried so hard to convince him not to compete.
Well Jon Arryn was poisoned, right? They didn't trace that. But I still agree with you, I don't think he was poisoned, he just got too drunk.
On June 11 2011 04:11 Curu wrote: No, he wasn't poisoned. That would have been very easy to detect and could be traced directly back to Lancel and subsequently the Lannisters. They just got him so drunk that the boar killed him.
It's not touched upon so much in the show but remember how Robert planned to participate in the Hand's tournament melee? The Lannisters saw that as an opportunity to kill him as well with being able to make it look like a complete accident, which is why Ned tried so hard to convince him not to compete.
Traced it with CSI or what? Nobody checked him for anything they DID mention his drink was tainted 0o
They only mentioned that it was stronger wine than what he was used to and that the squire urged him to drink more and more, and that he was constantly refilling the wineskin so it never went dry. I don't remember any mention of poison or otherwise "tainted" wine.
And by the way, they do autopsies in the 7K and can find out if someone was poisoned or not.
Unless of course they used the poison which killed Jon Arryn, which leaves no traces whatsoever.
On June 11 2011 04:11 Curu wrote: No, he wasn't poisoned. That would have been very easy to detect and could be traced directly back to Lancel and subsequently the Lannisters. They just got him so drunk that the boar killed him.
It's not touched upon so much in the show but remember how Robert planned to participate in the Hand's tournament melee? The Lannisters saw that as an opportunity to kill him as well with being able to make it look like a complete accident, which is why Ned tried so hard to convince him not to compete.
Traced it with CSI or what? Nobody checked him for anything they DID mention his drink was tainted 0o
They only mentioned that it was stronger wine than what he was used to and that the squire urged him to drink more and more, and that he was constantly refilling the wineskin so it never went dry. I don't remember any mention of poison or otherwise "tainted" wine.
And by the way, they do autopsies in the 7K and can find out if someone was poisoned or not.
Unless of course they used the poison which killed Jon Arryn, which leaves no traces whatsoever.
Except the traces that allowed Varys to deduce what the exact poison that killed him was.
On June 11 2011 04:11 Curu wrote: No, he wasn't poisoned. That would have been very easy to detect and could be traced directly back to Lancel and subsequently the Lannisters. They just got him so drunk that the boar killed him.
It's not touched upon so much in the show but remember how Robert planned to participate in the Hand's tournament melee? The Lannisters saw that as an opportunity to kill him as well with being able to make it look like a complete accident, which is why Ned tried so hard to convince him not to compete.
Well Jon Arryn was poisoned, right? They didn't trace that. But I still agree with you, I don't think he was poisoned, he just got too drunk.
It's a bit obvious too if Jon Arryn dies of a fever and then Robert dies of a fever right after too.
For the guy who was wondering if he should still read book 1 after having watched the series, definitely if you like these type of fantasy books. If you're just into this particular series then probably not. All of the most major events from the books are covered. Some are treated differently and at least one scene dissapointed me greatly because they basically cut it to nothing for the sake of the tv, but they're all there. The only thing book 1 will have for you is a lot more character development and context. Which is great if you're into that.
edit: also, so can you talk about how scenes that have already aired differ from the book? That's not really a spoiler since the show has already covered it as well as it will right?
On June 11 2011 04:11 Curu wrote: No, he wasn't poisoned. That would have been very easy to detect and could be traced directly back to Lancel and subsequently the Lannisters. They just got him so drunk that the boar killed him.
It's not touched upon so much in the show but remember how Robert planned to participate in the Hand's tournament melee? The Lannisters saw that as an opportunity to kill him as well with being able to make it look like a complete accident, which is why Ned tried so hard to convince him not to compete.
Well Jon Arryn was poisoned, right? They didn't trace that. But I still agree with you, I don't think he was poisoned, he just got too drunk.
Well, people weren't 100% certain that Jon Arryn was poisoned anyway (other than the conspirators of course). King Robert himself told Ned that he was shocked when Jon died because he was healthy one week and dead the next. However, Pycelle, who treated Jon, suggested that the poison, Tears of Lys, was used and it has specific effects, including the dissolving of internal organs.
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