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Glider
United States1353 Posts
On May 08 2019 00:54 Dav1oN wrote: I think I should join whining parade at this point. All the characters are just black or white last few seasons, when the show has started there was fifty shades of grey. And now Bronn is just a moron, Sansa is a the mastermind, Arya is a superhero, Cersei is a supervillain, aand Night King was a fluke. Show became one dimensional with lots of pointless actions, scenes. Leaving Ghost like that? Seriously? We don't even know how did it survived the undead horde. You guys remember Sandsnakes? They wasn't that bad after all considering what we got left from a complicated plot. Does anyone see CGI soldiers marching on 0-22 0-23? Or am I mad? you are not mad. they messed up the CGI in that scene and didn't quite make over the uncanny valley. (not sure the extend of CGI, could just be some some fake lighting and reflection but it is pretty obvious something felt off. (aka video game cut scene vibe) | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2072 Posts
On May 08 2019 04:58 Glider wrote: you are not mad. they messed up the CGI in that scene and didn't quite make over the uncanny valley. (not sure the extend of CGI, could just be some some fake lighting and reflection but it is pretty obvious something felt off. (aka video game cut scene vibe) It always spooks me when previews or trailers do this. They've presumably got more than hour of material and they decide to include that clip. It could be just a harmless silly inclusion, but quite often that kind of stuff speaks for some kind of messy production process in general. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22476 Posts
Discuss actual treason... When they try and replicate the level of the memorable earlier dialog it just becomes more obvious how flat it is, Varys and Tyrion conspiring could have been amazing, but it felt flat. Hidden ships that can shoot dragons around corners. Rapid fire ultra accurate ballista's. I get that they need to stop the dragons from just roflstomping everything but they could have done this much better. Have the fleets fight and in the chaos of battle Euron gets a good hit in with a surprise ballista and then Danny flees to keep her last dragon safe leading to the fleet being destroyed without air support. But not this. Also love how, what is basically a wild animal, lacks any sense of a response to being injured. Complete loss of any sense of time by having cutting from one seen to the next and days/weeks passing without any notice to the viewer and having the same person in both shots. Bronn...just dumb. Jamie going to kill Cersei. Fine I guess but why then? losing a dragon makes him ride out to kill her himself? And yes there is no reason that Cersei, who blew up a church full of people would EVER abide by a cease fire when she can literally win the war right then and there. (oh and thats some amazing resurrection ability to only use half your army when you get completely destroyed in a defensive siege battle). | ||
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Oleo
Netherlands283 Posts
Those island where Euron is hiding sure where quite the obvious ambush spot in every s7 episode scene of dragonstone and the holding hands approach to dragonstone scene this episode, where there was just miles of open sea in that location. Also loved how the coastline from the holding hands scene just turned fully invisible during the dragon flyover. etc.. etc.. Well edited episodes all around. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4757 Posts
The teleporting wasn't that bad this time, it makes sense that this episode covered a longer period of time... maybe they could have added "3 weeks later" or whatever at the bottom ;-) Obviously the show is not even close to the level it used to be (Winterfell is intact, 50% survivors, for sure), but this week was actually decent for me. I quit many shows that that were just going downhill. But with GoT, I don't feel I need to... it is still good enough entertainment... just nothing special. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
Qyburn being the mega, uber “great person” (civ5 reference) in biology, chemistry and weapon engineering is just fucking dumb. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18707 Posts
On May 08 2019 07:44 Emnjay808 wrote: The GoT I remember would have had the dragons obliterate the “sneak attack” ships with ease. Euron dies and Cersei at the mercy of Dany. Qyburn being the mega, uber “great person” (civ5 reference) in biology, chemistry and weapon engineering is just fucking dumb. Nope, got you knew wpuld have killed both dragons. Good guys never won in the good old GoT Yes, qyburn resurrecting desd people is obviously masterpiece. So is john resurrecting right | ||
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RenSC2
United States1094 Posts
Didn't go that way, fine. They still want an even battle or for the good guys to be underdogs. Why not use treachery? Why not have an actual trap laid for the dragons. Show us a little of the planning, but not the exact plan. Place a huge pile of meat on the route. Then either have some hidden ballistas fire at and kill the feasting dragon (Drogon could get immediate revenge) or just have the meat be poisoned. Then Dany could blame Jon for not riding Rheagal and guiding it away from the trap like she could with Drogon. Instead, we just get overpowered ballistas out of nowhere compared to the weak ass ballista of last year. It just seems like the writers need a simple fan with a bit of creativity looking over the script and saying, NOPE, or "how about this". I know dialog doesn't always end up the way it seemed on paper, but the big plot points aren't hard to see. The show has fallen into the trap of wanting to create an image and then figure out how to get that image (like the Dothraki fire swords all going out, cool image, but totally stupid). The producers need someone who gives a shit about continuity and the characters to look things over and say, "we can get there in a different way" or "we really can't do that, how about this...". | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22476 Posts
On May 08 2019 08:03 RenSC2 wrote: The last part is indeed something interesting.The producers want a balanced war for the final battle, seems reasonable. The easy answer was just to have the Night King kill off more people (only half?!? are you kidding me?) and at least one more dragon. Hell, Dany could even blame Jon for losing that dragon and create a rift. The rift they seem to want to create anyways. Didn't go that way, fine. They still want an even battle or for the good guys to be underdogs. Why not use treachery? Why not have an actual trap laid for the dragons. Show us a little of the planning, but not the exact plan. Place a huge pile of meat on the route. Then either have some hidden ballistas fire at and kill the feasting dragon (Drogon could get immediate revenge) or just have the meat be poisoned. Then Dany could blame Jon for not riding Rheagal and guiding it away from the trap like she could with Drogon. Instead, we just get overpowered ballistas out of nowhere compared to the weak ass ballista of last year. It just seems like the writers need a simple fan with a bit of creativity looking over the script and saying, NOPE, or "how about this". I know dialog doesn't always end up the way it seemed on paper, but the big plot points aren't hard to see. The show has fallen into the trap of wanting to create an image and then figure out how to get that image (like the Dothraki fire swords all going out, cool image, but totally stupid). The producers need someone who gives a shit about continuity and the characters to look things over and say, "we can get there in a different way" or "we really can't do that, how about this...". A lot of it is obviously weird, and 'people on the internet' can't be the only ones that think its weird. Like, did no one out of who knows how many worked on the Winterfell battle remark that siege engines infront is a bit wierd? It certainly feels like a lack of input in the process. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On May 08 2019 08:03 RenSC2 wrote: The producers want a balanced war for the final battle, seems reasonable. The easy answer was just to have the Night King kill off more people (only half?!? are you kidding me?) and at least one more dragon. Hell, Dany could even blame Jon for losing that dragon and create a rift. The rift they seem to want to create anyways. Didn't go that way, fine. They still want an even battle or for the good guys to be underdogs. Why not use treachery? Why not have an actual trap laid for the dragons. Show us a little of the planning, but not the exact plan. Place a huge pile of meat on the route. Then either have some hidden ballistas fire at and kill the feasting dragon (Drogon could get immediate revenge) or just have the meat be poisoned. Then Dany could blame Jon for not riding Rheagal and guiding it away from the trap like she could with Drogon. Instead, we just get overpowered ballistas out of nowhere compared to the weak ass ballista of last year. It just seems like the writers need a simple fan with a bit of creativity looking over the script and saying, NOPE, or "how about this". I know dialog doesn't always end up the way it seemed on paper, but the big plot points aren't hard to see. The show has fallen into the trap of wanting to create an image and then figure out how to get that image (like the Dothraki fire swords all going out, cool image, but totally stupid). The producers need someone who gives a shit about continuity and the characters to look things over and say, "we can get there in a different way" or "we really can't do that, how about this...". The producers are just utterly clueless when it comes to military strategy. You don't siege up a castle when you have equal forces. It is only possible in GoT because of dragons. If the defenders can neutralize dragons, there's no way Dany's forces are taking King's Landing. Of course, Cersei can employ the Winterfell defense formation and have her scorpions outside the walls and in front of her infantry. That should let what remains of the Dothraki destroy the scorpions to give Drogon free rein. Sigh | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On May 08 2019 07:52 sharkie wrote: Nope, got you knew wpuld have killed both dragons. Good guys never won in the good old GoT Yes, qyburn resurrecting desd people is obviously masterpiece. So is john resurrecting right Your pov is yet again so simplistic :/ First off a major theme of asoiaf (and to a lesser extent got) is that there are no good and bad guys, there are only people and everyone has good and bad inside himself, can do good and evil. Now obviously there are characters which are closer to the typical "good" or "bad" side still (especially in the show), some characters are simply only secondary or even tertiary ones, you cannot develop everyone. But even at that point you are wrong, even in the show it was always simply about a lot of characters competing against each other, engaging in politics, intrigue, etc and sometimes the "good guys" got the worse end, sometimes they got the better. Dany got three dragons and a huge army, jon defended the wall and got lord commander, arya managed to get trained as a faceless man, joffrey got murdered, tywin got murdered while tyrion escaped his doom. This is a very long story, there always needs to be new conflict for the main characters, otherwise the story would be over. It's really not hard to understand. Jon being resurrected could have been amazing if they did something with it, that is actually a big missed opportunity. There was no real impact in the show, we didn't even get a real conversation about it between jon and his nearest friends and family, no plotline which deals with this big miracle. Now i am not sure why you always talk about masterpieces, there is a lot between absolute trash and masterpiece lvl https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bld2j5/spoilers_extended_how_surprise_does_and_doesnt/ Here is something a few people here should read, it is only a small part of what the writing is missing at this point and only a first view on this topic in the first place, but it illustrates the problems fairly well and easily. No, writing is not arbitrary, yes there is good technique based on principles which is "better" or more effective. | ||
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Erasme
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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FFGenerations
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On May 07 2019 17:13 sharkie wrote: John could, its the problem of everyone else John is pretty submissive jon is submissive now, but he is also passionate and true. can you not imagine him getting hotheaded in time? anyway, it is a mute point (or a proven point) if they intend to make daneris go apeshit and burn everyone next episode i think after mecha cersei is defeated, we cut to a scene of her newborn child lying on the floor next to her iron-puddle corpse. the evil cersei baby blinks a few times then smiles darkly at the camera before we fade to black. (then it says 'to be continued') | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
Missandei's last words: You can only interpret this as Missi telling Dany to burn it all down, right? This is so against Missandei's character, when just previously they were discussing that it is wrong to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians to gain the throne. Missandei and the rest of the slaver's bay people follow Dany, the breaker of chains, Mysa. She would never tell her to mass murder the oppressed. Where was Davos? Wouldn't you send your arguably most experienced admiral with the fleet? If next episode he comes down traveling the King's road I'll scream. Again, where is Yohn Royce and the army of the Vale? All killed off screen and never mentioned again? Wouldn't Sansa try to keep them on her side in her play for power? | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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Acrofales
Spain18375 Posts
On May 09 2019 00:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: One thing, when dany's fleet gets destroyed one would think that the ironborn could have captured more people, especially considering that dragons don't seem to be a problem anymore. In essence euron could have ended the war right there. Another thing is that Dragonstone is an island. And Dany's fleet was just wrecked. Did she ferry her army to King's Landing on dragonback? I guess Euron teleported back to King's Landing in victory, so they could go to the mainland in rowboats? Or something? | ||
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