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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
May 08 2019 19:11 GMT
#35401
So it looks like Dany returns to Dragonstone after the "negotiation" with Cersei, based on the ep. 5 trailer which I suppose could be after the war with Cersei, but I digress, why go back to Dragonstone where you were JUST ambushed and lost your fleet / dragons?

I've become angrier and angrier and how this season has unfolded. Leveling the playing field is one thing, but completely ignoring battle tactics so you can throw away Dany's armies while also sniping Rhaegal from several thousand feet away is hilariously unbelievable.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22476 Posts
May 08 2019 19:14 GMT
#35402
On May 09 2019 04:07 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2019 04:02 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 09 2019 03:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On May 09 2019 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 09 2019 03:39 Sent. wrote:
I would prefer if Jaime said something like "I just can't stop loving her" instead of "She's hateful... and so am I" before leaving Brienne. That scene was salvageable. Everything about Bran is not, as it seems like we're supposed to accept he's there just to watch stuff and do (almost) nothing.

Cleganebowl confirmed (again?), yay!
Jaime's speech makes more sense if you assume he is going to kill Cersei rather then because of love.



Also it really wouldn't make more sense either, for the character yes, but there would be basically no reason to not just tell brienne and instead break her heart.


edit: the timestamp doesn't seem to work, it's at 4:10
Its impressive how a writers commentary on a scene makes the writing make even less sense then it did before...
I for now will assume they simply didn't want to give away the plot.

ps.
Jamie admires and respected Brienne. When did that turn into a desire for sex and why can't it just be mutual respect between soldiers?
It reeks way way to much of 'this women hasn't had a sex scene yet, we need to write one in'.




Every major woman character has either been naked or sexually assaulted in the show except for the ones over 40 (Cat, Lysa, Olenna). Though Brienne was already covered by the Jaime/Brienne hot tub scene. There's no real escaping the 'this woman hasn't had a sex scene yet' aspect of the show.

I think their more than mutual attraction is actually pretty important for the plot. Part of the Jaime & Cersei relationship is that they're in this world together for each other and no one else is there for them. Jaime's emotional closeness to Brienne is sort of a wedge that allows him to question that fundamental aspect of his character. If it was merely a platonic emotionally connection I'm not sure we could see Jaime question himself in the same way.
Jamie started on that path when he send Brienne out with a fancy new armour and a Valerian steel sword to find and protect Cathryn's daughters.
She showed him there was another path and possibly a chance of redemption. He left Cersei to go fight the WW's to prove that his word was worth something despite being the Kingslayer.

He didn't need his dick to do it and it just cheapens his entire character development.
He found another blond to fuck so he could briefly forget about Cersei.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
May 08 2019 19:21 GMT
#35403
On May 09 2019 04:14 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2019 04:07 Logo wrote:
On May 09 2019 04:02 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 09 2019 03:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On May 09 2019 03:44 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 09 2019 03:39 Sent. wrote:
I would prefer if Jaime said something like "I just can't stop loving her" instead of "She's hateful... and so am I" before leaving Brienne. That scene was salvageable. Everything about Bran is not, as it seems like we're supposed to accept he's there just to watch stuff and do (almost) nothing.

Cleganebowl confirmed (again?), yay!
Jaime's speech makes more sense if you assume he is going to kill Cersei rather then because of love.

https://youtu.be/u8K9XuPrXko?t=248

Also it really wouldn't make more sense either, for the character yes, but there would be basically no reason to not just tell brienne and instead break her heart.


edit: the timestamp doesn't seem to work, it's at 4:10
Its impressive how a writers commentary on a scene makes the writing make even less sense then it did before...
I for now will assume they simply didn't want to give away the plot.

ps.
Jamie admires and respected Brienne. When did that turn into a desire for sex and why can't it just be mutual respect between soldiers?
It reeks way way to much of 'this women hasn't had a sex scene yet, we need to write one in'.




Every major woman character has either been naked or sexually assaulted in the show except for the ones over 40 (Cat, Lysa, Olenna). Though Brienne was already covered by the Jaime/Brienne hot tub scene. There's no real escaping the 'this woman hasn't had a sex scene yet' aspect of the show.

I think their more than mutual attraction is actually pretty important for the plot. Part of the Jaime & Cersei relationship is that they're in this world together for each other and no one else is there for them. Jaime's emotional closeness to Brienne is sort of a wedge that allows him to question that fundamental aspect of his character. If it was merely a platonic emotionally connection I'm not sure we could see Jaime question himself in the same way.
Jamie started on that path when he send Brienne out with a fancy new armour and a Valerian steel sword to find and protect Cathryn's daughters.
She showed him there was another path and possibly a chance of redemption. He left Cersei to go fight the WW's to prove that his word was worth something despite being the Kingslayer.

He didn't need his dick to do it and it just cheapens his entire character development.
He found another blond to fuck so he could briefly forget about Cersei.


By the time he sends Brienne back out there's already some tension about how he feels about her, more so in the books (we get to hear Jaime's thoughts and dreams), but I feel like it still clearly exists in the show.
Logo
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
May 08 2019 20:26 GMT
#35404
The absolute state of this show.... I am at a loss for words

The writing is literally worse than The Walking Dead. I didn't think it was possible for any other show to sink lower than TWD, but here we are.

The show is so bad that even my normie co-workers think it's terrible. These are the same people that watch Avengers unironically.

Every single scene has characters acting out of character or making moronic decisions, or experiencing demensia, or gaslighting other characters. I haven't seen writing this bad since the Star Wars prequels.

I am in awe and cannot decide whether D&D actually this incompetent or have some kind of pressure from the top brass to turn this show into Hollywood shlock so that more people will watch. I genuinely hope that it's the latter for them, because if it's not then I would be genuinely concerned that they are developing early-onset Alzheimer's and are slowly losing their minds.

I wish I could put this show down and forget about it but I've spent 9 years watching and have to see it through - and many people I speak to feel the same way.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9319 Posts
May 08 2019 20:40 GMT
#35405
The writing is literally worse than The Walking Dead.


It's bad, but definitely not worse than TWD. It could be if the Sand Sneks were still alive, but fortunately they're not.
You're now breathing manually
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
May 08 2019 21:36 GMT
#35406
On May 09 2019 05:26 Hyperbola wrote:
The absolute state of this show.... I am at a loss for words

The writing is literally worse than The Walking Dead. I didn't think it was possible for any other show to sink lower than TWD, but here we are.

The show is so bad that even my normie co-workers think it's terrible. These are the same people that watch Avengers unironically.

Every single scene has characters acting out of character or making moronic decisions, or experiencing demensia, or gaslighting other characters. I haven't seen writing this bad since the Star Wars prequels.

I am in awe and cannot decide whether D&D actually this incompetent or have some kind of pressure from the top brass to turn this show into Hollywood shlock so that more people will watch. I genuinely hope that it's the latter for them, because if it's not then I would be genuinely concerned that they are developing early-onset Alzheimer's and are slowly losing their minds.

I wish I could put this show down and forget about it but I've spent 9 years watching and have to see it through - and many people I speak to feel the same way.


to be fair its not all incompetence, they ran out of source material. not even GRRM knew how to extricate dany from mereen and get the ball rolling again. its bad but i dont think they got much help from martin.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 08 2019 21:46 GMT
#35407
Well Martin was writing 5-7 books at once with this series, so it is no surprise that became overwhelming for him. He should have kept it down to 3 books at once, like when he started.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14159 Posts
May 08 2019 23:42 GMT
#35408
On May 09 2019 05:26 Hyperbola wrote:
The absolute state of this show.... I am at a loss for words

The writing is literally worse than The Walking Dead. I didn't think it was possible for any other show to sink lower than TWD, but here we are.

The show is so bad that even my normie co-workers think it's terrible. These are the same people that watch Avengers unironically.

Every single scene has characters acting out of character or making moronic decisions, or experiencing demensia, or gaslighting other characters. I haven't seen writing this bad since the Star Wars prequels.

I am in awe and cannot decide whether D&D actually this incompetent or have some kind of pressure from the top brass to turn this show into Hollywood shlock so that more people will watch. I genuinely hope that it's the latter for them, because if it's not then I would be genuinely concerned that they are developing early-onset Alzheimer's and are slowly losing their minds.

I wish I could put this show down and forget about it but I've spent 9 years watching and have to see it through - and many people I speak to feel the same way.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they got a ton of confidence with making a historically great show but then once they ran out of the content they were leaning on they were forced to write the show itself and were no longer shackled by budget or future story constraints.

I find it funny you try to be hipster about the low quality of Avengers but clearly put time into TWD past the first season.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44195 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-09 01:25:44
May 09 2019 01:25 GMT
#35409
+ Show Spoiler [actual spoilers] +
There are some spoilers for the end of the series loose on the internet which have been confirmed by everything that it predicted happening in episode 4. The remaining episodes should be the dumbest things that ever dumbed.
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
May 09 2019 01:48 GMT
#35410
Is that a spoiler from the end of the show leaks?

If so i would be pretty adamant about not having any leak disscussion in this thread.
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
May 09 2019 02:11 GMT
#35411
yeah please keep the leaks out of the thread. Just bitch about the show as it unfolds
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
May 09 2019 03:58 GMT
#35412
On May 09 2019 10:25 KwarK wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [actual spoilers] +
There are some spoilers for the end of the series loose on the internet which have been confirmed by everything that it predicted happening in episode 4. The remaining episodes should be the dumbest things that ever dumbed.

Could u please post them in spoiler and save me the trouble.

TYVM
Skol
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
May 09 2019 04:01 GMT
#35413
On May 09 2019 12:58 Emnjay808 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2019 10:25 KwarK wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [actual spoilers] +
There are some spoilers for the end of the series loose on the internet which have been confirmed by everything that it predicted happening in episode 4. The remaining episodes should be the dumbest things that ever dumbed.

Could u please post them in spoiler and save me the trouble.

TYVM

Google it. Its the top result
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Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
May 09 2019 06:53 GMT
#35414
I'm enjoying reading about the apparent shit show this season has been second hand. Guess it's sad though for them to destroy what so many people loved. Some day will have to watch this series, at least the first few seasons...
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4570 Posts
May 09 2019 08:18 GMT
#35415
At least we have an ending after the last 2 episodes are done. No matter how shitty the ending will be.

I'm with the side that believes we will never get another asoiaf book again
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Yosheekee
Profile Joined April 2011
France111 Posts
May 09 2019 09:23 GMT
#35416
On May 09 2019 05:26 Hyperbola wrote:

The show is so bad that even my normie co-workers think it's terrible. These are the same people that watch Avengers unironically.



Although I agree with your overall statement, this is a pretty condescending way of saying it. You seem to think that you're above people who enjoys the MCU. You may have different taste than "normies", but you should take a step back and maybe have a more positive way of thinking and talking about other people.

On another note, if the spoilers about the ending are true, they will get the biggest shitstorm ever from... pretty much everyone.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4168 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-09 09:41:37
May 09 2019 09:36 GMT
#35417
I dont know what is this leaked ending, but didnt this show fight its way to be capable of any ending to be acceptable, no matter how blatant it is? All important characters dying, none of them dying, half of them dying, anyone can kill anyone, whatever it is, should be all right as long as it makes any reasonable sense along the story line. Like, lets say everybody die but Euron so he sits on the throne somehow will make sense, but Sansa killing Jaimy while he sleeps to get the throne wont, thats what I mean
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18375 Posts
May 09 2019 10:25 GMT
#35418
On May 09 2019 18:36 M2 wrote:
I dont know what is this leaked ending, but didnt this show fight its way to be capable of any ending to be acceptable, no matter how blatant it is? All important characters dying, none of them dying, half of them dying, anyone can kill anyone, whatever it is, should be all right as long as it makes any reasonable sense along the story line. Like, lets say everybody die but Euron so he sits on the throne somehow will make sense, but Sansa killing Jaimy while he sleeps to get the throne wont, thats what I mean

Do you think episodes 3 or 4 made sense in the overall narrative? I guess if you ate that up then yes, they can just keep shoveling shit.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-09 19:11:00
May 09 2019 10:35 GMT
#35419
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
May 09 2019 11:54 GMT
#35420
On May 09 2019 17:18 LennX wrote:
At least we have an ending after the last 2 episodes are done. No matter how shitty the ending will be.

I'm with the side that believes we will never get another asoiaf book again


Maybe Martin was waiting to see how his planned ending was receive before restarting the books, there's maybe some hope.
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