EPT[TV] HBO Game of Thrones - Page 1588
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Cricketer12
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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B.I.G.
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tokinho
United States792 Posts
On July 06 2016 06:53 Hider wrote: Remind me again. Why exactly is Gilly in the story? I'll take a stab at this, again this is all speculation as i haven't read the books and am going off the themes from the movies. If you remember Gilly's Father, craster made a deal with the white walker king where he would give up his sons in exchange for the white walkers, the others, and the king to leave him alone. This was in the story. So The big difference here is there are like the white walkers which are like zombies and have no independent thought. Then there are the rituals done one the cursed crasters sons to make the others. They are independently thinking white walkers. He needed many of them, seemingly from brans vision about 9 of them. ------------------------------------------------ Other post explaining why HBO Posted this infographic. http://bit.ly/29twZv2 It leads me to one single conclusion. Brans vision is complete and has all the details needed to understand what will happen in seasons 7 and 8. It also leads to the most interesting conclusion of episode 10. The most important event that happened in the episode was Samwell going to the library with gilly. Bran's vision explained- + Show Spoiler + ----------------------------------------------- The basic thought of gilly is that her son is one of the last needed for the magic to set in to allow him to break the seal on the wall. Thus, next season will probably have the big war between the houses early on. Then, will spend the rest of the season with sam and the others breaking the seal on the wall and traveling south. Then with the completion of the ice and fire saga will have the reforging of valerian steel needed to kill the others. (I question that fire can kill them). Back to why Gilly and not just sam taking care of the baby then. Some of the images in the show represent magical events that happen. The trees with faces allow bran to control the crows near them. The fire that is placed in several key scenes gives access to the lord of light to the characters. The Old gods also have their state in the events that happen. (they have the sigils of the animals of the houses as seen on the giant astrolabe in both the intro and the library that sam goes to.) The library is full of symbols and things leading to this conclusion and i watched that scene like 10 times, much like the scene where jon is revived or several other scenes with fire in the background were rumored to have taken a much longer time to setup. Sam's inherent interest in Gilly and her to take care of here son while sam learned the symbolism and the language of the others so he can communicate with them is why she is still on the show. | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
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FreakyDroid
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Cricketer12
United States13996 Posts
On July 08 2016 05:57 FreakyDroid wrote: Just read some news about S7 from the producers. apparently its going to be later than normal ... They want to film later in the year (they usually start shortly after comic con) to capture that winter feel in westeros. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Pretty well made imo | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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FreakyDroid
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The_Red_Viper
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He says he doesn't mention the books at all, so it should be good to go (watching it atm) | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13996 Posts
On July 12 2016 10:11 The_Red_Viper wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adDgvbyZwlY He says he doesn't mention the books at all, so it should be good to go (watching it atm) Literally just saw this. I disagree with his assessment of episode 10 (I thought it was the best episode despite Arya). But overall he raises excellent points. By comparison for those who aren't aware he thought Tyrion was the best story of season 5, and Dany the worst (with Dorne being second worst) so his opinions I don't think are molded by which characters he likes best. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9173 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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Overall i think he doesn't value the film making aspect enough though. Directing, acting, music, scene composition, editing, etc all are important aspects and together they might add up to the importance of writing (maybe?). We aren't reading a script here, we are watching a "film". That alone will always place GoT above average. My personal rating for the whole season would be around 7/10, probably a little bit lower. (if we had to rate it in the 0-10 system) highlights of the season: the play in arya's storyline, Hodor, episode 10 (despite its narrative flaws), the battle of bastards (actual battle, despite its narrative flaws) lows: Arya's storyline (besides the play), everything about Dorne, writing in general i guess | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13996 Posts
On July 12 2016 12:01 The_Red_Viper wrote: Pretty much agree with every bigger point of PJ. While i enjoyed the 10th episode quite a bit i cannot say that PJ's criticism is bad though. Overall i think he doesn't value the film making aspect enough though. Directing, acting, music, scene composition, editing, etc all are important aspects and together they might add up to the importance of writing (maybe?). We aren't reading a script here, we are watching a "film". That alone will always place GoT above average. My personal rating for the whole season would be around 7/10, probably a little bit lower. (if we had to rate it in the 0-10 system) highlights of the season: the play in arya's storyline, Hodor, episode 10 (despite its narrative flaws), the battle of bastards (actual battle, despite its narrative flaws) lows: Arya's storyline (besides the play), everything about Dorne, writing in general i guess Pretty much. I actually didn't enjoy Bastardbowl that much honestly. I appreciated how they tried to make it a realistic battle in the sense that Jon was basically getting lucky and in the end it didn't really matter how good you are at 1v1 combat, people die. But at the same time it felt like a weird discount Lord of the Rings (Vale = Rohan, Jon = Aragon at end of RotK etc). I think the play was actually one of the most brilliant things I have seen on this show, and i really appreciated it. I felt like Preston didn't really appreciate some of the truly great acting performances this season. He did mention Alfie, Lena and Ian McShane, but I feel like he criminally didn't mention Nicolai (Jaime) or Jon Pryce (High Sparrow). I went back and watched the scenes with the High Sparrow in that room he arrested Cersei in, and honestly it perfectly captured everything a book reader should want from the character. The sparrow came from nothing, he truly was just a product of the game of nobles. Anyone can be the sparrow, like a religious zealot form of batman. Hold the Door for me was probably the most gut wrenching thing in the entire series (as I very strongly believed Jon was coming back, and never cared for Robb/Cat). Really well done scene Arya, for all the reasons he mentioned (but episodes 7 and 8 in particular) was horrible. To an extent I can believe in illogical things like magic or some form of plot armor in this show. That's fine. Dragons and Ice Zombies exist, and that works. But if you set a precedent for logical things, and then go back on that, you can't defend that by saying its a fantasy show, logic isn't necessary. Look at Bobby B, Khal Drogo, Robb, Talisa, Jon. The last three died nearly instantly after their stabbings, and the former were among the top ten strongest men in the series, and yes they survived the originally attack, but infection destroyed them. PJ said it best Arya is Wolverine... In terms of this season, I think Jaime Jon and Bran were all very solid stories. With Tyrion being for me the biggest disappointment. Jaime finally went through his Riverlands/give up Cersei arc, which I am very happy about. Jon was a really solid plot, similar to Tyrion's season 5 plot, but more dramatic. Both start at the bottom of the barrel, and end up as Kings (in essence if not name with Tyrion). Bran prior to season 6 was one of the most boring characters for me, but wow was his story entertaining. ToJ, and "Burn them All" I expected based on the trailers, but Hold the Door was just amazing in every way. Then there was Tyrion... The big problem with Tyrion was the fact that at the end of season 5 I was super excited for his season 6 story. He makes it to Meereen, and ends up as its ruler in Dany's absence with Varys at his side. I was a huge fan of his season 2 story, so I was hoping for something along those lines...Instead we got a bunch of really cringy scenes with two almost mute characters. What made D&D think giving Missandei and Grey Worm more screentime was a good idea, I have no clue... I do wonder how pacing will go with these last two seasons...I am still cautiously optimistic for season 7, but that's probably not a good idea. | ||
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Skynx
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
I hate the portrayal of that city with a pyramid where Tyrion and Daeneris (?) are. Looks like Danny's acting has plagued all rest of the cast in that city as that black girl (translator) and the black guy (bodyguard) are just so boring, no emotion, not convincing. Also the culture and the city itself is just poorly done. For me the dragon lady plot in season 10 is a fail. I watch this show 90% because of the white walkers and the others. R. R. Martin is just brilliant with his imagination of "otherwordly" creatures and the show did them justice (sometimes they make the white walkers have too much agillity for a corpse and overdo CGI which breaks immersion but its fine). It is also extremelly good how they didn't humanize the others in any way in the show, they should remain creatures that are simply different than us, but I am affraid that once they get more exposure time for the story purposes, the producers will indeed give them human characteristics because these people tend to not "get" the lore thus ruining the show. This is exactly what Peter Jackson did to the orcs and Uruk hai and to some extent Sauron. | ||
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B.I.G.
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
I watched the last ten minutes of the last episode at least ten times by now. Such great music, Lena doing her walk of power. Superb TV. | ||
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