On July 12 2016 16:44 NukeD wrote: I loved the little girl who was the first to endorse Jon Snow as king and criticized the rest of the house heads. Her acting is just brilliant and for her age she displays such authority. Hope she has a bright acting future.
I hate the portrayal of that city with a pyramid where Tyrion and Daeneris (?) are. Looks like Danny's acting has plagued all rest of the cast in that city as that black girl (translator) and the black guy (bodyguard) are just so boring, no emotion, not convincing. Also the culture and the city itself is just poorly done. For me the dragon lady plot in season 10 is a fail.
I watch this show 90% because of the white walkers and the others. R. R. Martin is just brilliant with his imagination of "otherwordly" creatures and the show did them justice (sometimes they make the white walkers have too much agillity for a corpse and overdo CGI which breaks immersion but its fine). It is also extremelly good how they didn't humanize the others in any way in the show, they should remain creatures that are simply different than us, but I am affraid that once they get more exposure time for the story purposes, the producers will indeed give them human characteristics because these people tend to not "get" the lore thus ruining the show. This is exactly what Peter Jackson did to the orcs and Uruk hai and to some extent Sauron.
white walkers = others The "zombie like" beings are called wights
On July 12 2016 16:44 NukeD wrote: Looks like Danny's acting has plagued all rest of the cast in that city as that black girl (translator) and the black guy (bodyguard) are just so boring, no emotion, not convincing.
Bizarre way to refer to them. If at a loss for names, "Unsullied Captain" and "Translator" are far better than "black guy/girl."
It is also extremelly good how they didn't humanize the others in any way in the show, they should remain creatures that are simply different than us, but I am affraid that once they get more exposure time for the story purposes, the producers will indeed give them human characteristics because these people tend to not "get" the lore thus ruining the show. This is exactly what Peter Jackson did to the orcs and Uruk hai and to some extent Sauron.
I actually concur on the point for this show... but the LOTR point is kinda a miss. Orcs are pretty human in the books. Cockney accents, talk pretty normally. If anything, the movies made them far more bestial. As for Sauron, he had a body in the books, and isn't just a firey eye.
On July 12 2016 16:44 NukeD wrote: Looks like Danny's acting has plagued all rest of the cast in that city as that black girl (translator) and the black guy (bodyguard) are just so boring, no emotion, not convincing.
Bizarre way to refer to them. If at a loss for names, "Unsullied Captain" and "Translator" are far better than "black guy/girl."
I actually didint know their names so thats how I described them. I dont know why you would find this offensive. How is it "bizzare"? Are they not black? You read too much into it really. This is why i loathe political correctness.
On July 12 2016 16:44 NukeD wrote: Looks like Danny's acting has plagued all rest of the cast in that city as that black girl (translator) and the black guy (bodyguard) are just so boring, no emotion, not convincing.
I actually concur on the point for this show... but the LOTR point is kinda a miss. Orcs are pretty human in the books. Cockney accents, talk pretty normally. If anything, the movies made them far more bestial. As for Sauron, he had a body in the books, and isn't just a firey eye.
You could be right on this. I did read the books, but it was when I was a child. However i am a huge fan of that old LotR cartoon and it put the standard for orcs in my eyes as they too can be described as "otherwordly" in the cartoon.
On July 12 2016 16:44 NukeD wrote: Looks like Danny's acting has plagued all rest of the cast in that city as that black girl (translator) and the black guy (bodyguard) are just so boring, no emotion, not convincing.
Bizarre way to refer to them. If at a loss for names, "Unsullied Captain" and "Translator" are far better than "black guy/girl."
I actually didint know their names so thats how I described them. I dont know why you would find this offensive. How is it "bizzare"? Are they not black? You read too much into it really. This is why i loathe political correctness.
I highly doubt you refer to white people whose names you don't know as "that white guy/that white girl"...do you? It's a bit strange/racist given that you're using the color of their skin as a defining characteristic. No one who is white is defined by the fact that they are white, but apparently it's okay when the tables are turned-it's a way of calling out the "other" or the one person who sticks out from the rest, and that's why it's offensive.
Regardless, those characters are supposed to be almost emotionless. Unsullied aren't supposed to feel things, that's how they are raised, as slaves who feel no pain and feel no emotion. This has been hammered in again and again throughout the show; recall that scene with Daario, for example, where he and Grey Worm are trying to figure out where the harpy is hiding and Daario tells Grey Worm that it would be better if he knew how to feel fear (because then he could put himself in the harpy's shoes-Daario then punches through the wall and finds one hiding, proving his point)
Similar thing with Missandei, she has been a slave all her life, subjugated and forced to follow commands and be meek. So here I disagree with you; she is actually very convincing in this regard, and even with limited air time she manages to convey the theme of her character very well. You can see, for example, how she is initially shocked by Dany's deception when dealing with the masters (in Astapor, when Dany frees the Unsullied) and then later you can see her smirk when Dany responds to her Valar Morghulis with "Yes, all men must die...but we are not men." She's probably never had a strong female role model before, and now she sees, here's a woman who is stronger than all the men I've ever met!
I also disagree with Emilia Clarke's acting being uninspiring. Rather, I think her story is a bit flat compared to the stories of other characters. She faces hardships, but her character (IMO) has been written in a way that is more one-dimensional compared to some other characters in the show. This is particularly the case when comparing her, for example, to Tyrion, Jaime, and Sansa. Jon, Arya, and Dany all suffer from various degrees of one-dimensionality, but I think that's just the way that they are written. In most cases the characters themselves are internally consistent, though, so while they may not be that interesting all the time (and we may not see as much development or growth over time when compared to the other "more interesting" characters) they are at the very least still internally consistent.
Stop complaining about the racist stuff, it's ridiculous. If 95% of the cast had been black, you'd refer to the white guy as the white guy. And noone would have cared. But that isn't the case. And oops, it's racism.
I agree with you on most of the rest, Missandei and Grey Worm are in character and Dany's story isn't that great. They could have spent a little bit less time on all of them, though.
On July 13 2016 14:23 aseq wrote: Stop complaining about the racist stuff, it's ridiculous. If 95% of the cast had been black, you'd refer to the white guy as the white guy. And noone would have cared. But that isn't the case. And oops, it's racism.
I agree with you on most of the rest, Missandei and Grey Worm are in character and Dany's story isn't that great. They could have spent a little bit less time on all of them, though.
1. It's not complaining, 2. it's not ridiculous, and 3. your reactions are honestly hilarious in context given that one of the main themes of the show is other-shaming and characters being ostracized by their appearances and other things often outside of their control; oh look, a bastard, dwarf, eunuch, etc.
Also your (inherently flawed) argument still doesn't work even though the cast is predominantly white. I could for example, say "that fat black guy" and it would still be ambiguous and just as racist; am I referring to the character from Qarth or the one from Dorne?
On July 13 2016 14:23 aseq wrote: Stop complaining about the racist stuff, it's ridiculous. If 95% of the cast had been black, you'd refer to the white guy as the white guy. And noone would have cared. But that isn't the case. And oops, it's racism.
I agree with you on most of the rest, Missandei and Grey Worm are in character and Dany's story isn't that great. They could have spent a little bit less time on all of them, though.
1. It's not complaining, 2. it's not ridiculous, and 3. your reactions are honestly hilarious in context given that one of the main themes of the show is other-shaming and characters being ostracized by their appearances and other things often outside of their control; oh look, a bastard, dwarf, eunuch, etc.
Also your (inherently flawed) argument still doesn't work even though the cast is predominantly white. I could for example, say "that fat black guy" and it would still be ambiguous and just as racist; am I referring to the character from Qarth or the one from Dorne?
1. You're literally complaining about labels. Go find some other thread to shit up. If a scene was in dorne and someone referred to the big black guy we'd all immediately know who it is (this is called effective communication) and only twats like you would be offended on behalf of an actor who likely doesnt give a shit. If dorne was full of black actors we'd be referring to a lone white guardsman in the same way. Its a convenient, accurate descriptor using a unique characteristic within the context. Im in a class full of asians and im often referred to as the white guy if people dont know my name, it's practical, not racist.
please don't bring racism into this. english could be his second/third language for instance. as much as this is an international forum, people make mistakes just as this and sometimes mess up the cultural differences if there are any.
yes, he could have been more descriptive and more thoughtful but he wasn't and you understood him anyway. flawed as it may be, a lot of other people would understand him and in the case where it's actually confusing they would probably just dismiss it as being dumb or generic.
the intent was obviously not to be racist, it was his way of describing them on an internet forum. you're all disagreeing in different ways and it's seriously not worth the effort or the time.
On July 13 2016 14:23 aseq wrote: Stop complaining about the racist stuff, it's ridiculous. If 95% of the cast had been black, you'd refer to the white guy as the white guy. And noone would have cared. But that isn't the case. And oops, it's racism.
I agree with you on most of the rest, Missandei and Grey Worm are in character and Dany's story isn't that great. They could have spent a little bit less time on all of them, though.
1. It's not complaining, 2. it's not ridiculous, and 3. your reactions are honestly hilarious in context given that one of the main themes of the show is other-shaming and characters being ostracized by their appearances and other things often outside of their control; oh look, a bastard, dwarf, eunuch, etc.
Also your (inherently flawed) argument still doesn't work even though the cast is predominantly white. I could for example, say "that fat black guy" and it would still be ambiguous and just as racist; am I referring to the character from Qarth or the one from Dorne?
1. You're literally complaining about labels. Go find some other thread to shit up. If a scene was in dorne and someone referred to the big black guy we'd all immediately know who it is (this is called effective communication) and only twats like you would be offended on behalf of an actor who likely doesnt give a shit. If dorne was full of black actors we'd be referring to a lone white guardsman in the same way. Its a convenient, accurate descriptor using a unique characteristic within the context. Im in a class full of asians and im often referred to as the white guy if people dont know my name, it's practical, not racist.
Again, I'm not complaining and I am personally not offended-I, like the first responder, just pointed out that there are better ways to identify someone than the color of their skin-which, yes, is racist given that omitting the race of the characters would have had zero impact on our ability to identify them, given that the OP had already said "translator" and "bodyguard". However, I do find it a bit bothersome that if it is just "labels" as you put it, why are you getting so angry about it? You sure seem to have gotten really riled up about something that is apparently inconsequential to you...you've now accused me of shitting up the thread, called me a twat, and put words in my mouth about how I am complaining and offended.
But you know, based on that completely unnecessary hostility, I will be excusing myself from partaking in this thread going forward.
On July 13 2016 15:07 nanaoei wrote: the intent was obviously not to be racist, it was his way of describing them on an internet forum. you're all disagreeing in different ways and it's seriously not worth the effort or the time.
Nobody so far has mentioned intent except for you. I was not suggesting that the OP was purposely racist, and based on the original response, I think it's fairly reasonable to assume that the other poster wasn't either. You don't need to intentionally be racist in order to say something that can be perceived as racist. Note that I never called the OP a racist, I said the identifier was strange/racist. There's a pretty big difference there; if the OP really had no intention of saying something like that, then it's simply a matter of acknowledgment and moving on.
Anyway, before I abandon the thread the last thing I will say is that if you're not familiar with unconscious bias I would suggest looking into it. For me at least it was a very big eye opener for how others can be and are affected by my own unconscious biases. It's a daily effort to overcome them.
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