On June 28 2016 07:29 BlackCompany wrote: I think another big problem of Cersei blowing shit up is that basically every influent/mighty person from the Lannister + Tyrell forces was in that sept (minus Olena i guess). So even though Cersei is queen now, she basically has noone left that could even help rule a kingdom. Not even mentioning settling the matters of all the houses that just lost their rulers.
None of these people would have supported her anyways, so it's easier to get rid of them and leave everything around her in chaos. cersei never had any longterm plans or a particulary smart way to play the game. Most of her moves were pretty stupid and blinded by hate for everyone and love for jamie/her children. Despite that she's in the most powerful position she's ever been in 6 seasons. But she'll be a non-factor soon, either by the hands of jamie or someelse else. In my opinion the more interesting story is jamies endgame and how he fits into closure of the show. There's still the possibility that D&D let him go down with cersei, although that would be a travesty for his overall character development. Joining forces with dany because of tyrion sounds too cheesy for me, maybe he comes across brienne randomly.
I think the mountain had some candid nun fun in there... uhuhu
Kind of wish they separated that episode in two episode, felt a bit rushed, but otherwise amazing ! Many assholes got removed from the picture.
I wonder what the timing of the white walkers attack will be? before daenerys arrives? after?
For people wondering if Varys teleported, did it ever occur to you that there are often a lot of time difference between scenes? Nothing says the fleet scene is showing events the day after the mereen scenes, it could be weeks or months after that.
On June 28 2016 05:30 Thezzy wrote: Old granny borderline flipping off everyone and straight up telling she just wants bloody revenge for her family. I'm guessing she'll get it. I do wonder how she and Tyrion will get along. On one side they should get along fine due to their characters and attitude, but on the other their families are hated rivals (especially now).
On June 27 2016 23:18 -Archangel- wrote: I didn't like Jon being proclaimed a king. It was stupid. Robb captures Jamie and defeats Lannister army at Riverrun and frees riverlands and is proclaimed King in the North. He shows great smarts and talent being a battlefield commander.
Jon almost loses a fight for his own family seat due to his own choices, get saved by unexpected allies. And then gets called King in the North? Really?! I does not feel right.
without Jon, do you think there would be a battle? None. He is the one who had the balls to assemble an army and re-take the North back from Bolton hands. Now, those North houses are free now because of Jon.
What actually makes me very sad about last nights episode is how many potentially interesting plot lines were just ended. Who was the High Sparrow really and what did he want? What was Margery's plan to get her and Loras out of their situation? Would Tommen end up maturing and being a good King?
And it raises questions too. I'm still baffled as to why Cersie is sitting on the throne. She has no right or claim to it. It's painfully obvious she was behind the explosion, why are people okay with a mass murderer, who's victims includes some of her own family members and the frickin Pope of Westeros,and has no right to the throne by lineage being the new Queen? The only army she has actually belongs to Jaime, and basically every single person in the world hates her at this point.
That's why the camera focused on the crowd for a few seconds they don't support her, then she looks at Jaime who is slowly coming to the realization. She knows it as well.
The High Sparrow wanted a theocracy ala the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages.
On June 28 2016 13:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That's why the camera focused on the crowd for a few seconds they don't support her, then she looks at Jaime who is slowly coming to the realization. She knows it as well.
The High Sparrow wanted a theocracy ala the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages.
I suppose but it still seems weird that she was allowed to get even so far as to sit on the throne.
This will almost certainly be resolved next season though. Tommen's successor is actually Dany and she just so happens to be headed to Westeros with a much larger army and dragons right now.
On June 28 2016 13:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: What actually makes me very sad about last nights episode is how many potentially interesting plot lines were just ended. Who was the High Sparrow really and what did he want? What was Margery's plan to get her and Loras out of their situation? Would Tommen end up maturing and being a good King?
And it raises questions too. I'm still baffled as to why Cersie is sitting on the throne. She has no right or claim to it. It's painfully obvious she was behind the explosion, why are people okay with a mass murderer, who's victims includes some of her own family members and the frickin Pope of Westeros,and has no right to the throne by lineage being the new Queen? The only army she has actually belongs to Jaime, and basically every single person in the world hates her at this point.
She's sitting on the throne because no one else is. With all of Robert's brothers dead and all her children dead, is there really anyone else with a better claim? Maybe one of Robert's cousins (iffy at best)? She really will have no support besides the Lanister armies (and even then, it would probably involve Jaime stepping in considering she killed her uncle), but that doesn't stop her from sitting there for now.
Oh and she can claim the sept blowing up was a terrorist attack by those demon worshiping dragon loving red priests .
On June 28 2016 13:18 Jerubaal wrote: What do you guys think about the name Jon? Not very Targaeryeny sounding name. Possibly named after Jon Connington or Jon Arryn?
I saw someone on Reddit suggest that his name could be something like Rhaejon or Aejon, both of which sound pretty cool. Ned just abbreviated it to Jon to avoid suspicion.
On June 28 2016 13:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: What actually makes me very sad about last nights episode is how many potentially interesting plot lines were just ended. Who was the High Sparrow really and what did he want? What was Margery's plan to get her and Loras out of their situation? Would Tommen end up maturing and being a good King?
And it raises questions too. I'm still baffled as to why Cersie is sitting on the throne. She has no right or claim to it. It's painfully obvious she was behind the explosion, why are people okay with a mass murderer, who's victims includes some of her own family members and the frickin Pope of Westeros,and has no right to the throne by lineage being the new Queen? The only army she has actually belongs to Jaime, and basically every single person in the world hates her at this point.
- The High Sparrow is just a lowborn, pious man who rose to prominence in the midst of chaotic times (and ironically because Cersei was the one to empower him in the first place). He truly valued the Gods above all else and was seeking to establish a theocracy. It looked like he was on the trajectory to establish that given how he reached all the way to Tommen.
- Honestly, I thought there would be more to Margery as well. I thought for sure she was plotting something and would turn out to be just as underhanded as Cersei. Guess not..
- I think Tommen's character was perfectly realized. He was another one of these idealistic characters with good intentions that got savaged by the cold reality of politics in Westeros. I really liked the visual of how he jumped to his death overlooking the city in ruin. It further drives home the message that dark times are ahead.
- Cersei has killed everyone that mattered in King's Landing. Tyrells? Dead. Kevan? Dead. Pycell? Dead. High Sparrow and his minions? Dead. Jamie is on the Kingsguard. Tyrion is nowhere to be seen and is known as a kinslayer. So who's going to stop her in the city? A mad former queen is the best leader they have at the moment. There will likely be gigantic consequences for her actions in the next season, but we already know Cersei is a terribly incompetent leader. She only knows how to play the game not rule. I doubt she cares for that, as long as she sits her ass on the throne.
There are two question that are interesting for me:
1) does Littlefinger know about Dany and her ship? does he know that she is coming to Westeros? how does this factor into his plan of sitting on the iron throne?
2) what are the plans in the North for Jon and his banner men? do they want to go south or do they plan to fight (?) the army of the dead at the wall or in the North anyway? Maybe it would be more safe to go south and maybe in the south the whitewalkers would be less strong (I imagine the winter will be harsher in the North), but I doubt they want to abandon their homeland to the dead ..
On June 28 2016 12:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Jon can't marry Dany as she is his Aunt. Unless they reveal something else that was in the whispered to Ned.
Only Bran knows this. Who knows how long it will be before he gets back to Jon. If ever. Also the Targaryens wedded within the family all the time.
Heck, he could technically marry Sansa once Bran informs them as cousin marriages aren't really frowned upon.
Jon Targaryen confirmed? Some seem to think so, but I couldn't make out any of the whispering. Just because Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna doesn't mean it's his son. It could just as well be Robert's and Lyanna's love child from before the kidnapping (Jon has black hair!). Was Lyanna held captive for more than 9 months?
On June 28 2016 15:00 VHbb wrote: There are two question that are interesting for me:
1) does Littlefinger know about Dany and her ship? does he know that she is coming to Westeros? how does this factor into his plan of sitting on the iron throne?
2) what are the plans in the North for Jon and his banner men? do they want to go south or do they plan to fight (?) the army of the dead at the wall or in the North anyway? Maybe it would be more safe to go south and maybe in the south the whitewalkers would be less strong (I imagine the winter will be harsher in the North), but I doubt they want to abandon their homeland to the dead ..
(1) It fucks things up. His plan atm is probably to march on King's Landing with Jon, and then either betray Jon and start a war to re-submit the North, or ally Jon by giving him the official title of King in the North. Dany currently looks like she has an army so big that no one on Westeros will realistically expect to win a battle against her, the only question being how will the Dothrakis behave. (2) Cersei will probably (try to) send Jamie to conquer the North, because there's no way she'll let a new "King In The North" exist.
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