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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4554 Posts
June 27 2016 18:50 GMT
#31421
No comments about teleporting Varys? TL what's happened to you?!?
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14904 Posts
June 27 2016 18:54 GMT
#31422
we already debunked it, there are martell and tyrell ships with Dany's fleet, he just went for a ride and turned around
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2016 19:02 GMT
#31423
Also the amount of time between scenes is much longer than normal. We see Jon in Winterfell with all the houses, which must have taken weeks for them all to get news of the battle, be invited and arrive.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4554 Posts
June 27 2016 19:07 GMT
#31424
I'm well aware.

The sand snakes or littlefinger weren't teleporting either, but somehow people couldn't come to this conclusion back then.
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
June 27 2016 19:13 GMT
#31425
Btw when I saw the scene with the Lannister cousin been stabbed by the kid, the first thing that came to my mind was "this will get some comments on TL"... and indeed
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Caspas
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany157 Posts
June 27 2016 19:20 GMT
#31426
I know that there are some genetic risks with incest. Is giving birth to a dwarf one oft them .......?
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
June 27 2016 19:36 GMT
#31427
On June 28 2016 03:50 Laurens wrote:
No comments about teleporting Varys? TL what's happened to you?!?


I think there were days or even weeks between the various scenes. Like how Arya came to kill Frey. Varys told about Dany to the Martells and granny Tyrell ("fire and blood") then supposedly came back (with additional Dorne ships perhaps) to Mereen to sail off again with the others.
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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
June 27 2016 19:43 GMT
#31428
On June 28 2016 04:07 Laurens wrote:
I'm well aware.

The sand snakes or littlefinger weren't teleporting either, but somehow people couldn't come to this conclusion back then.


I'm generally as annoyed as you about all the people complaining about "teleporting" characters, but the only one that ever really bothered me was the Sand Snakes at the beginning of the season. "Travel time" explains the speed at which a lot of characters get around, but at the end of last season the Sand Snakes were on the boat watching it leave and at the beginning of this season they were also on the boat killing Trystane. That was just bad planning.

I also think the show could go a LITTLE more out of its way to indicate that a lot of time has been passing. If you think about it, a lot of time must have passed this season, but I wouldn't be surprised if a casual watcher hasn't put that together.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12389 Posts
June 27 2016 19:46 GMT
#31429
Or perhaps Varys is a mermaid and he can swim really fast o/
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Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-27 20:52:47
June 27 2016 20:30 GMT
#31430
So other than the teleports (Arya used Town Portal spell stolen from Faceless Men?), damn what an episode.
We all knew pretty quickly what was up when we saw the sparrow follow that kid, even looking for like a second that he might stop it in time. Instead, a giant crater is slammed into the city, though nothing more was really shown about it or the effect on the townsfolk after. I highly doubt anyone will remotely even want Cersei on the throne. She will the most hated ruler in King's Landing. The proverbial Mad Queen.

I was expecting Tommen to be blown to bits as well by accident (that he snuck off or something), but with the sparrow's influence and the death of Margaery and knowing (due to The Mountain) that Cersei is responsible is reasonably too much for him to handle. King's Landing indeed. Squish. Where does this leave Cersei though other than said Mad Queen? She literally has nothing left to lose because I highly doubt Jaime will want anything to do with her after blowing a giant crater in her own city, vaporizing hundreds (if not thousands) of innocent people and getting their only remaining child killed. He won't kill her (he might be tempted for a second but I imagine The Mountain will then step in) but she will be completely and utterly alone, universally hated and with nothing to live for. And she won't reign for long with Dany's fleet inbound.

King of the North was quite fast for my taste. Good to see (yey positive things!) but I was expecting the other houses other than Mormond to be skeptical about the Walkers and everything that is coming. Granted he is/was the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch and is considered honorable and would not likely lie about such things, but he isn't exactly neutral as expected of the Night's Watch due to being raised by the Starks. I imagine some form of evidence (either seeing the Army of the Dead or maybe a captured wight) would've been needed. They may still need some convincing though, preferring to having Jon Snow (honorable, a veteran and a Stark in all but name) as the King of the North just for the sake of having one and having something to rally behind. After all, the North remembers.

Dany's fleet is massive now. I do wonder if they have a boat for her dragons to land on. They'll need to rest eventually.
Poor Daario, but logical from Dany's perspective. I was partly expecting Dany to explain to a baffled Tyrion that since Jaime is Kingsguard, he would be the next legal heir of Casterly Rock and thusly a potential husband for Dany to marry, though I don't think that actually works since I doubt any Lannister would bow to Tyrion and it would be weird for her to bring her would-be husband already with her. The whole thing naturally gravitates towards a potential marriage between Jon Snow (in the North, being ice) and Dany (in the South, being fire), which would ironically cause the Targaryen bloodline to mostly come full circle (with a little Stark blood thrown in). I can logically imagine a 'final battle' where those two with the entire combined army of Westeros, Essos, all houses and everything in between take on the White Walkers.

Other noticables:

We are going to see Tyrion ride a dragon. Gotta be. He became buds by releasing Viserion and Rheagal.
The first non-Targaryen to ever ride a dragon, the first dwarf to ever ride a dragon. My only regret is that it will be unlikely that Tyrion can come landing before Cersei's face riding on a dragon, calmly say hello and then order said dragon to roast her. Or maybe eat her.

Where did Arya get that mask? Is it some magical skill that Faceless Men can use and that all the faces in that room are more like a database that can be used remotely? The whole family pie (anyone else hear Eric Cartman go 'I made you eat your children, na na na' during that?) was a bit over the top but sure, Arya's full-on psycho but on the right side of psycho.
I can imagine a homecoming to Sansa and especially Jon (who she was closest to and gave her Needle). She'll probably have a very hard time readjusting to normal life, maybe ending up as a spy/assassin for Sansa/Jon (though they won't like it).

So, Dorne comes around again and actually in a way that I didn't mind. I was a bit miffed that Jaime didn't turn the boat around in full rage back at the start, given what happened with his daughter but it does figure, since he'd likely end up dead.
Old granny borderline flipping off everyone and straight up telling she just wants bloody revenge for her family.
I'm guessing she'll get it. I do wonder how she and Tyrion will get along. On one side they should get along fine due to their characters and attitude, but on the other their families are hated rivals (especially now).

Army of the Dead. In full power. Stretching to the horizon. At the Wall.
How likely is that to be in Season 7? On one side I hope it's the season premiere, but on the other hand they dragged out Season 6 quite a bit with Arya and the Sparrows, but at this point they can't really put this off much longer.
If Arya and Varys can teleport so freely, surely the Night King can bring his army to the Wall and knock on the door.

And now we have to wait a year. Noes.
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Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria653 Posts
June 27 2016 21:09 GMT
#31431
Why was Arya trying to kill Jamie?
He is not on the list isn't he?
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
June 27 2016 21:13 GMT
#31432
On June 28 2016 06:09 Garbels wrote:
Why was Arya trying to kill Jamie?
He is not on the list isn't he?


Did she try to kill him? Looked more like she simply recognized him.
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria653 Posts
June 27 2016 21:21 GMT
#31433
On June 28 2016 06:13 Zinnwaldite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2016 06:09 Garbels wrote:
Why was Arya trying to kill Jamie?
He is not on the list isn't he?


Did she try to kill him? Looked more like she simply recognized him.


I think she smiled multiple times at him.
Maybe it wasn't her and Arya killed the girl later for the face.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
June 27 2016 21:39 GMT
#31434
On June 28 2016 04:20 Caspas wrote:
I know that there are some genetic risks with incest. Is giving birth to a dwarf one oft them .......?

With incest your chances of passing on unwanted-recessive genes/traits are higher. But dwarfism (according to the real world) is a dominant trait--so I dont believe incest has anything to do with it (if you're talking about Tyrion).
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
June 27 2016 21:52 GMT
#31435
THAT WAS SO GOOD
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OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
June 27 2016 21:53 GMT
#31436
On June 28 2016 03:41 VHbb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2016 03:04 Plansix wrote:
Another topic: Can we talk about the smash cut from baby Jon to adult Jon face and the music? That thing was powerful, but understated. And the music so well scored.


That was really impressive..
Overall the soundtrack for this episode was sooooo good...

Arya really went down a dark road, feeding his children to lord Frey. I liked how they referenced the legend of the rat cook that Bran tells in season 3 (I was waiting for something like this since that episode!)


Really? I found the piano to be really out of place. Can't recall a single moment during the last 6 seasons a piano have been used. I didn't like it at least...
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9424 Posts
June 27 2016 21:55 GMT
#31437
On June 28 2016 01:18 Keniji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2016 21:28 Hider wrote:
It is Lannister + Baratheon. I dont think we have real numbers but they are probably still bigger than Martell + Tyrell


Its been established previously that Tyrells have the largest army. Lannisters do not have a big army. They just used to be rich, and now they are broke and have no longer the backing from the Iron Bank. We haven't heard anything about the Baratheons either.


I thought the crown is broke. But because tywin wasn't a dumbass he strictly separated lannister's and crown's finances. But i might remember it wrong.


The mine where the Lannisters got income from is empty.

But tbh, I think the show just wants us to forget about the previous introductions to the economics of the GOT world. It sounds like its going on a different path than the books in that regard and is simplifying the story. So we probably need to assume that the Lannisters can acquire a solid army.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-27 22:11:44
June 27 2016 22:05 GMT
#31438
The thing about the teleporting is that the show tends to betray the sense of time passing in how the stories interact. Basically characters act like only a small amount of time has passed between scenes with their dialog, or you have houses at war without any actual war action happening.

Basically you have enough time passing in this story for:

Cersei blows up the sept
Word reaches Olenna in Highgarden (or en route)
Word reaches Dorne
Dorne sends word to Olenna
Olenna gets to Dorne
Olenna meets at Dorne, then goes back to Highgarden
Both kingdoms prepare their fleets
Olenna sails her fleet from Highgarden to Mareen

Meanwhile like you have a few weeks passing in the north for the vassals to reach Winterfel and then what? A huge time discrepancy. Like every other story line should be months behind what Olenna's forces did, but the show will probably never reconcile that.

Also in general like there's weeks of John and Sansa hanging out at Winterfel, but it seems like they've barely planned how and who should be leading the north. What were they doing all that time?

----

That said I don't mind it to a huge degree, but it does make it a bit... odd. Like you can't have somewhat reasonable predictions about who is where in the world based on where characters were the last time you saw them. They basically can just show up anyways at any time which wasn't really true in the first few seasons.

Like 90% of the characters in the finale were Arya. She was in every scene practically.
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sagi
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland346 Posts
June 27 2016 22:11 GMT
#31439
On June 28 2016 06:53 OminouS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2016 03:41 VHbb wrote:
On June 28 2016 03:04 Plansix wrote:
Another topic: Can we talk about the smash cut from baby Jon to adult Jon face and the music? That thing was powerful, but understated. And the music so well scored.


That was really impressive..
Overall the soundtrack for this episode was sooooo good...

Arya really went down a dark road, feeding his children to lord Frey. I liked how they referenced the legend of the rat cook that Bran tells in season 3 (I was waiting for something like this since that episode!)


Really? I found the piano to be really out of place. Can't recall a single moment during the last 6 seasons a piano have been used. I didn't like it at least...


The piano felt a bit out of place/time. Some haunting cello would've been less distracting.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 27 2016 22:12 GMT
#31440
On June 28 2016 04:13 VHbb wrote:
Btw when I saw the scene with the Lannister cousin been stabbed by the kid, the first thing that came to my mind was "this will get some comments on TL"... and indeed


haha, yeah. To me if there was any minor thing at all to nitpick on this ep it was that scene. A single shank crippled Lancel and the kid didn't at least try to cut his throat while he was down? Also, why did the kid even lure Lancel near the wildfire where he might have a chance of screwing up the entire plan? Why did Lancel even bother to chase down the kid when it should be common knowledge to him by now that there are spies everywhere?

Not that I mind suspending my disbelief if it makes for an exciting scene (and it did).


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On a separate note, did anyone else immediately think of Boardwalk Empire as Tommen jumped out the window? xD
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