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On June 28 2016 00:05 Jandos wrote:
So Jon is finally confirmed as Rhaegar son. Last big question is who is the third dragon ? My bet would be Tyrion. Three targaryens who killed their mothers during born ?
Tywin was extremely certain Tyrion was his. Remember the scene where Tywin said Tyrion couldn't have Casterly Rock and said that he wanted to drown Tyrion when he was born because he hated him for being a dwarf and killing his mother but because he was a Lannister Tywin put that ahead of his own feelings and raised him. The show could randomly have that twist but it wouldn't make much sense, Tywin stated very unambiguously that it was only because Tyrion was his son that he was allowed to live at all because for Tywin the family comes before all else.
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Jon's storyline is so interesting now. Technically in the line of succession he comes before Dany since he's a man, and also the King of the North since he's half Stark. But the thing is I believe Bran is the only one in the whole of GoT that knows this so how is he going to tell Jon, and even if he does, will others believe him?
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On June 28 2016 00:20 Dante08 wrote:
Jon's storyline is so interesting now. Technically in the line of succession he comes before Dany since he's a man, and also the King of the North since he's half Stark. But the thing is I believe Bran is the only one in the whole of GoT that knows this so how is he going to tell Jon, and even if he does, will others believe him?
He's in the line of succession before Dany if, and only if, Rhaegar and Lyanna were married. Gender isn't important to this, Rhaegar was ahead of Dany and therefore Rhaegar's kids are ahead of Dany. If Jon came out as trans and became Jane Snow he'd still be ahead of Dany.
As for the Stark aspect, he comes behind Bran, Sansa and Arya. He's there, assuming Rhaegar and Lyanna were married, but we have to exhaust all of Ned's children before we up one level back to Ned's father and look at Ned's father's children (which is where we get to Lyanna and then Lyanna's children).
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On June 28 2016 00:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:05 Jandos wrote:
So Jon is finally confirmed as Rhaegar son. Last big question is who is the third dragon ? My bet would be Tyrion. Three targaryens who killed their mothers during born ? Tywin was extremely certain Tyrion was his. Remember the scene where Tywin said Tyrion couldn't have Casterly Rock and said that he wanted to drown Tyrion when he was born because he hated him for being a dwarf and killing his mother but because he was a Lannister Tywin put that ahead of his own feelings and raised him. The show could randomly have that twist but it wouldn't make much sense, Tywin stated very unambiguously that it was only because Tyrion was his son that he was allowed to live at all because for Tywin the family comes before all else.
I mean that's hardly good evidence. Tywin surely didn't do a paternity test to be sure 
For all we know Tyrion could be a Targaryen bastard, on the other hand i also don't believe that you need three Targaryens necessarily.
Anyone else really happy with the episode but disliked Arya's scene a lot? Didn't really understand how people can think of it as satisfactory when it was kinda randomly put into that episode.
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On June 28 2016 00:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:05 Jandos wrote:
So Jon is finally confirmed as Rhaegar son. Last big question is who is the third dragon ? My bet would be Tyrion. Three targaryens who killed their mothers during born ? Tywin was extremely certain Tyrion was his. Remember the scene where Tywin said Tyrion couldn't have Casterly Rock and said that he wanted to drown Tyrion when he was born because he hated him for being a dwarf and killing his mother but because he was a Lannister Tywin put that ahead of his own feelings and raised him. The show could randomly have that twist but it wouldn't make much sense, Tywin stated very unambiguously that it was only because Tyrion was his son that he was allowed to live at all because for Tywin the family comes before all else.
I dont know. Tywin said he bring him up as Lannister and gave him titles and power because he couldnt prove he is NOT HIS. Imho Tywin never trully knew if Tyrion is his son. It would make sense he is the third targaryen.
Remember Tywin saying "you are no son of mine" before death ?
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On June 27 2016 23:34 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 21:51 Scorch wrote:
By being released from the Kingsguard, Jaime regained his name, claims and titles, right? Wouldn't that make him the rightful king after Tommen's death? I believe the king's male next of kin comes before the former king's wife in the succession rules. Not that any of it matters, because those who can back it up just claim power for themselves, but I mean if we're going strictly by the rules. Patriarchy has gone down the drain anyway. We now have Cersei, Daenerys, Ellaria and Olenna heading their houses, with Jon and Littlefinger as the only males in power. No, it wouldn't. Succession works as follows. 1) King 2) King's eldest son, next son, last son, eldest daughter, next daughter, last daughter 3) Up one level, retry However, and this bit is important, for the purpose of who comes next the dead are presumed to be alive and are skipped rather than erased from the order. Here is an example that shows how important that is. 1) Mad King 2) Rhaegar, eldest son of Mad King 3) Even though Rhaegar is dead he counts as alive for succession which passes through him so any legitimate children of his are next following the eldest son, next son, last son, eldest daughter, next daughter, last daughter. Gregor Clegane killed two of his legitimate children by Elia of Dorne in Robert's Rebellion. However Jon may be a third. So Jon? 4) Any legitimate children of Jon. 5) Assuming the line of Rhaegar has been wiped out we then up one level, that takes us back to Aerys, Rhaegar line is wiped out so following eldest son, next son, last son, eldest daughter, next daughter, last daughter that takes us to Viserys. Viserys counts as alive for passing succession but gets skipped for being crowned. No kids that we know of so we up one level back to Aerys. Next comes Dany. For the Baratheons kings we just up one level a few more times. 1) Robert 2) Joffrey + his heirs, no heirs = up 1 level back to Robert's heirs, skipping Joffrey this time around 3) Tommen + his heirs, no heirs = up 1 level back to Robert's heirs, skipping Joffrey + Tommen this time around 4) Marcella + her heirs, no heirs = up 1 level back to Robert's heirs, skipping Joffrey + Tommen + Marcella this time around No more Robert heirs, up 1 level to his father's heirs Robert's dad's heirs, skipping Robert this time around 5) Stannis + his heirs 6) Shireen, no heirs = up 1 level back to Stannis' heirs, skipping Shireen this time around No more Stannis heirs, up 1 level to his dad's heirs, skipping Robert + Stannis this time around 7) Renly + his heirs, no heirs = up 1 level back to Renly's dad's heirs skipping Robert, Stannis and Renly. No more Robert's father's heirs (assuming no unseen sisters of Robert etc) so we up one level to Robert Baratheon's grandfather and skip Robert Baratheon's father. We then reapply the rules. We don't know where that leads but at no point do we end up with Cersei, Jaime or anyone else with yellow hair. We probably end up with some random lord from the Stormlands whose grandmother was Robert's aunt or something. She executed a coup, not a succession. Marrying into royalty does not make you royal.
Worth mentioning in the ever muddled line of succession that Jon isn't a legitimate child of Rhaegar. Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell, not Lyanna Stark. So even though he is the son of the heir to the throne, he's still a bastard, which complicates any claim he could make to the Iron Throne. Doubtful he would even want to go for that though.
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On June 28 2016 00:31 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 23:34 KwarK wrote:On June 27 2016 21:51 Scorch wrote:
By being released from the Kingsguard, Jaime regained his name, claims and titles, right? Wouldn't that make him the rightful king after Tommen's death? I believe the king's male next of kin comes before the former king's wife in the succession rules. Not that any of it matters, because those who can back it up just claim power for themselves, but I mean if we're going strictly by the rules. Patriarchy has gone down the drain anyway. We now have Cersei, Daenerys, Ellaria and Olenna heading their houses, with Jon and Littlefinger as the only males in power. No, it wouldn't. Succession works as follows. 1) King 2) King's eldest son, next son, last son, eldest daughter, next daughter, last daughter 3) Up one level, retry However, and this bit is important, for the purpose of who comes next the dead are presumed to be alive and are skipped rather than erased from the order. Here is an example that shows how important that is. 1) Mad King 2) Rhaegar, eldest son of Mad King 3) Even though Rhaegar is dead he counts as alive for succession which passes through him so any legitimate children of his are next following the eldest son, next son, last son, eldest daughter, next daughter, last daughter. Gregor Clegane killed two of his legitimate children by Elia of Dorne in Robert's Rebellion. However Jon may be a third. So Jon? 4) Any legitimate children of Jon. 5) Assuming the line of Rhaegar has been wiped out we then up one level, that takes us back to Aerys, Rhaegar line is wiped out so following eldest son, next son, last son, eldest daughter, next daughter, last daughter that takes us to Viserys. Viserys counts as alive for passing succession but gets skipped for being crowned. No kids that we know of so we up one level back to Aerys. Next comes Dany. For the Baratheons kings we just up one level a few more times. 1) Robert 2) Joffrey + his heirs, no heirs = up 1 level back to Robert's heirs, skipping Joffrey this time around 3) Tommen + his heirs, no heirs = up 1 level back to Robert's heirs, skipping Joffrey + Tommen this time around 4) Marcella + her heirs, no heirs = up 1 level back to Robert's heirs, skipping Joffrey + Tommen + Marcella this time around No more Robert heirs, up 1 level to his father's heirs Robert's dad's heirs, skipping Robert this time around 5) Stannis + his heirs 6) Shireen, no heirs = up 1 level back to Stannis' heirs, skipping Shireen this time around No more Stannis heirs, up 1 level to his dad's heirs, skipping Robert + Stannis this time around 7) Renly + his heirs, no heirs = up 1 level back to Renly's dad's heirs skipping Robert, Stannis and Renly. No more Robert's father's heirs (assuming no unseen sisters of Robert etc) so we up one level to Robert Baratheon's grandfather and skip Robert Baratheon's father. We then reapply the rules. We don't know where that leads but at no point do we end up with Cersei, Jaime or anyone else with yellow hair. We probably end up with some random lord from the Stormlands whose grandmother was Robert's aunt or something. She executed a coup, not a succession. Marrying into royalty does not make you royal. Worth mentioning in the ever muddled line of succession that Jon isn't a legitimate child of Rhaegar. Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell, not Lyanna Stark. So even though he is the son of the heir to the throne, he's still a bastard, which complicates any claim he could make to the Iron Throne. Doubtful he would even want to go for that though.
Assuming no bigamy, yes. Targs and bigamy is a thing though.
But you're right, if all the legitimate children of Rhaegar are dead then we up one level back to the Mad King's kids and that takes us to Dany.
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On June 27 2016 23:12 B.I.G. wrote:
Damn that King's Landing scene was done so well. Tommen's death was probably the most fucked up death I have seen in this show in a long time.. A kind-hearted kid that was put into a situation that he was totally not ready for, and got so mercilessly used by those around him that he fucking jumped.
Man the way he put down the crown and just went for it. Holy fuck.
Yeah, top 5 most tragic death in the series for me. Kid was living the dream of scoring with an older chick and it literally all went up in flames 
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On June 27 2016 21:28 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +It is Lannister + Baratheon. I dont think we have real numbers but they are probably still bigger than Martell + Tyrell Its been established previously that Tyrells have the largest army. Lannisters do not have a big army. They just used to be rich, and now they are broke and have no longer the backing from the Iron Bank. We haven't heard anything about the Baratheons either.
I thought the crown is broke. But because tywin wasn't a dumbass he strictly separated lannister's and crown's finances. But i might remember it wrong.
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On June 28 2016 01:18 Keniji wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 21:28 Hider wrote:It is Lannister + Baratheon. I dont think we have real numbers but they are probably still bigger than Martell + Tyrell Its been established previously that Tyrells have the largest army. Lannisters do not have a big army. They just used to be rich, and now they are broke and have no longer the backing from the Iron Bank. We haven't heard anything about the Baratheons either. I thought the crown is broke. But because tywin wasn't a dumbass he strictly separated lannister's and crown's finances. But i might remember it wrong.
Tywin loaned Robert a lot of money and then after the Lannister takeover Joffrey was like "we good? yeah, we good". My assumption was that he thought he'd eventually repay himself while operating as Hand but events got out of control.
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On June 28 2016 00:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:05 Jandos wrote:
So Jon is finally confirmed as Rhaegar son. Last big question is who is the third dragon ? My bet would be Tyrion. Three targaryens who killed their mothers during born ? Tywin was extremely certain Tyrion was his. Remember the scene where Tywin said Tyrion couldn't have Casterly Rock and said that he wanted to drown Tyrion when he was born because he hated him for being a dwarf and killing his mother but because he was a Lannister Tywin put that ahead of his own feelings and raised him. The show could randomly have that twist but it wouldn't make much sense, Tywin stated very unambiguously that it was only because Tyrion was his son that he was allowed to live at all because for Tywin the family comes before all else.
dragons didn't kill Tyrion when he unchained them
Tyrion is a Targaryen
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On June 28 2016 01:36 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:12 KwarK wrote:On June 28 2016 00:05 Jandos wrote:
So Jon is finally confirmed as Rhaegar son. Last big question is who is the third dragon ? My bet would be Tyrion. Three targaryens who killed their mothers during born ? Tywin was extremely certain Tyrion was his. Remember the scene where Tywin said Tyrion couldn't have Casterly Rock and said that he wanted to drown Tyrion when he was born because he hated him for being a dwarf and killing his mother but because he was a Lannister Tywin put that ahead of his own feelings and raised him. The show could randomly have that twist but it wouldn't make much sense, Tywin stated very unambiguously that it was only because Tyrion was his son that he was allowed to live at all because for Tywin the family comes before all else. dragons didn't kill Tyrion when he unchained them Tyrion is a Targaryen
$100% confirmed
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On June 28 2016 01:36 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:12 KwarK wrote:On June 28 2016 00:05 Jandos wrote:
So Jon is finally confirmed as Rhaegar son. Last big question is who is the third dragon ? My bet would be Tyrion. Three targaryens who killed their mothers during born ? Tywin was extremely certain Tyrion was his. Remember the scene where Tywin said Tyrion couldn't have Casterly Rock and said that he wanted to drown Tyrion when he was born because he hated him for being a dwarf and killing his mother but because he was a Lannister Tywin put that ahead of his own feelings and raised him. The show could randomly have that twist but it wouldn't make much sense, Tywin stated very unambiguously that it was only because Tyrion was his son that he was allowed to live at all because for Tywin the family comes before all else. dragons didn't kill Tyrion when he unchained them Tyrion is a Targaryen
That's also no evidence. It might be foreshadowing that he will ride one though
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Fuck my life, it's been a while since viper vs mountain shocked me, and now again O_O
Great episode, 10/10 and probably the best in entire tv show for me
Someone listed plotlines before, I wanna remind him we still got Hound and not Mel also left somewhere
So sad that Margery gone she played a great game and she lost, even tho she had a big potential. Tommens suicide was like a cherry :D
So nobody knows for now, that Jon is a son of Rhaegar and Lianna. The point is, Dany said she will have to marry someone, considering potential husbands with power and resume there will be Dany + Jon?
What happens to Jon's direwolf? What is the whole point of this pet when u gonna ride a dragon eventually? What if Jon is actually a hero Melisandre belives in? Than Sam's plotline with superb family sword of valyrian steel will be to make him burning somehow (like Berrick did it, or Toros from Myr?).
Am confused  Every side declared a hand of a queen, except for Jon, he wasn't even thinking of it.
Glad that Olenna survived at least
Another thing, I found Lyana Stark has a bit similar face as Dany
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On June 27 2016 16:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 16:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I have so many questions.
1. Does Varys have a teleporter? Did he borrow it from Littlefigner? He went from Mereen to Dorne to Mereen to on the ship again in 2 episodes
2. How did Arya get to Westeros? Why did the faceless men not murder her? The faceless men make no sense.
3. Why is Cersie queen? I recall that if Tommen died then Dany is actually the next in line by standard inheritance. And after Dany it's Jamie. This must come up later.
4. Jon's a badass but not a Stark, at least not by name. Why are the lord rallying against him as if he was?
Still a cool episode but goddamn this show makes me confused. Varys didn't go back to Meereen. There were Tyrell ships in that shot, they just happened to join with the rest of Dany's navy. The Faceless Men let Arya leave. Not quite sure why they would care about Westeros, but it's clear that the organization does for some reason (otherwise why would a Faceless Man have been in Westeros and have been drawn so strongly to Arya in the first place?) To me it seems like Jaqen/the Faceless Men accepted Arya as having some purpose to fulfill in Westeros and trained her as their own for that purpose. It was a sign that she had learned all that she had to learn when she herself realized that she belongs in Westeros, and she had learned enough to kill the Waif by herself. Cersei is queen because she has the power now. She killed everyone else, whether it be accidentally (Tommen) or directly (Baelor). Not sure where you get the impression that Dany is after Tommen in the line of succession, or why Jaime is after Dany. After Tommen dies it's not clear at all who has the "right" to the throne, as if such a thing ever mattered in the first place. Lastly, Jon is being proclaimed king in the north because despite him being a bastard, hundreds of people saw him personally take the fight to the cruelest ruler the north has ever seen, and come out soundly victorious. He is seen as a unifier, and everyone who was coerced into backing the Boltons is backing him out of choice. It does seem that there may be some tension with Littlefinger and Sansa, though.
read some theory that the Iron Bank of Braavos has ties with the Faceless Men
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On June 28 2016 00:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:05 Jandos wrote:
So Jon is finally confirmed as Rhaegar son. Last big question is who is the third dragon ? My bet would be Tyrion. Three targaryens who killed their mothers during born ? Tywin was extremely certain Tyrion was his. Remember the scene where Tywin said Tyrion couldn't have Casterly Rock and said that he wanted to drown Tyrion when he was born because he hated him for being a dwarf and killing his mother but because he was a Lannister Tywin put that ahead of his own feelings and raised him. The show could randomly have that twist but it wouldn't make much sense, Tywin stated very unambiguously that it was only because Tyrion was his son that he was allowed to live at all because for Tywin the family comes before all else.
No he wasn't. Tywin was certain he couldn't prove Tyrion wasn't his son, so he begrudgingly raised him as such. For the sake of his family name, he had to raise him as a Lannister.
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On June 28 2016 02:14 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 16:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 27 2016 16:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I have so many questions.
1. Does Varys have a teleporter? Did he borrow it from Littlefigner? He went from Mereen to Dorne to Mereen to on the ship again in 2 episodes
2. How did Arya get to Westeros? Why did the faceless men not murder her? The faceless men make no sense.
3. Why is Cersie queen? I recall that if Tommen died then Dany is actually the next in line by standard inheritance. And after Dany it's Jamie. This must come up later.
4. Jon's a badass but not a Stark, at least not by name. Why are the lord rallying against him as if he was?
Still a cool episode but goddamn this show makes me confused. Varys didn't go back to Meereen. There were Tyrell ships in that shot, they just happened to join with the rest of Dany's navy. The Faceless Men let Arya leave. Not quite sure why they would care about Westeros, but it's clear that the organization does for some reason (otherwise why would a Faceless Man have been in Westeros and have been drawn so strongly to Arya in the first place?) To me it seems like Jaqen/the Faceless Men accepted Arya as having some purpose to fulfill in Westeros and trained her as their own for that purpose. It was a sign that she had learned all that she had to learn when she herself realized that she belongs in Westeros, and she had learned enough to kill the Waif by herself. Cersei is queen because she has the power now. She killed everyone else, whether it be accidentally (Tommen) or directly (Baelor). Not sure where you get the impression that Dany is after Tommen in the line of succession, or why Jaime is after Dany. After Tommen dies it's not clear at all who has the "right" to the throne, as if such a thing ever mattered in the first place. Lastly, Jon is being proclaimed king in the north because despite him being a bastard, hundreds of people saw him personally take the fight to the cruelest ruler the north has ever seen, and come out soundly victorious. He is seen as a unifier, and everyone who was coerced into backing the Boltons is backing him out of choice. It does seem that there may be some tension with Littlefinger and Sansa, though. read some theory that the Iron Bank of Braavos has ties with the Faceless Men
That's a fun theory. It would also give them a reason for training up Arya and then just setting her lose. The bank likes stability and as long as Cersie has power, that won't happen. So unleash an angry Stark trained as a Faceless and then they can't be blamed.
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On June 28 2016 02:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 02:14 udgnim wrote:On June 27 2016 16:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 27 2016 16:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I have so many questions.
1. Does Varys have a teleporter? Did he borrow it from Littlefigner? He went from Mereen to Dorne to Mereen to on the ship again in 2 episodes
2. How did Arya get to Westeros? Why did the faceless men not murder her? The faceless men make no sense.
3. Why is Cersie queen? I recall that if Tommen died then Dany is actually the next in line by standard inheritance. And after Dany it's Jamie. This must come up later.
4. Jon's a badass but not a Stark, at least not by name. Why are the lord rallying against him as if he was?
Still a cool episode but goddamn this show makes me confused. Varys didn't go back to Meereen. There were Tyrell ships in that shot, they just happened to join with the rest of Dany's navy. The Faceless Men let Arya leave. Not quite sure why they would care about Westeros, but it's clear that the organization does for some reason (otherwise why would a Faceless Man have been in Westeros and have been drawn so strongly to Arya in the first place?) To me it seems like Jaqen/the Faceless Men accepted Arya as having some purpose to fulfill in Westeros and trained her as their own for that purpose. It was a sign that she had learned all that she had to learn when she herself realized that she belongs in Westeros, and she had learned enough to kill the Waif by herself. Cersei is queen because she has the power now. She killed everyone else, whether it be accidentally (Tommen) or directly (Baelor). Not sure where you get the impression that Dany is after Tommen in the line of succession, or why Jaime is after Dany. After Tommen dies it's not clear at all who has the "right" to the throne, as if such a thing ever mattered in the first place. Lastly, Jon is being proclaimed king in the north because despite him being a bastard, hundreds of people saw him personally take the fight to the cruelest ruler the north has ever seen, and come out soundly victorious. He is seen as a unifier, and everyone who was coerced into backing the Boltons is backing him out of choice. It does seem that there may be some tension with Littlefinger and Sansa, though. read some theory that the Iron Bank of Braavos has ties with the Faceless Men That's a fun theory. It would also give them a reason for training up Arya and then just setting her lose. The bank likes stability and as long as Cersie has power, that won't happen. So unleash an angry Stark trained as a Faceless and then they can't be blamed.
Are you telling me banks control everything even in GoT's universe?
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On June 28 2016 02:58 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 02:41 Plansix wrote:On June 28 2016 02:14 udgnim wrote:On June 27 2016 16:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 27 2016 16:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I have so many questions.
1. Does Varys have a teleporter? Did he borrow it from Littlefigner? He went from Mereen to Dorne to Mereen to on the ship again in 2 episodes
2. How did Arya get to Westeros? Why did the faceless men not murder her? The faceless men make no sense.
3. Why is Cersie queen? I recall that if Tommen died then Dany is actually the next in line by standard inheritance. And after Dany it's Jamie. This must come up later.
4. Jon's a badass but not a Stark, at least not by name. Why are the lord rallying against him as if he was?
Still a cool episode but goddamn this show makes me confused. Varys didn't go back to Meereen. There were Tyrell ships in that shot, they just happened to join with the rest of Dany's navy. The Faceless Men let Arya leave. Not quite sure why they would care about Westeros, but it's clear that the organization does for some reason (otherwise why would a Faceless Man have been in Westeros and have been drawn so strongly to Arya in the first place?) To me it seems like Jaqen/the Faceless Men accepted Arya as having some purpose to fulfill in Westeros and trained her as their own for that purpose. It was a sign that she had learned all that she had to learn when she herself realized that she belongs in Westeros, and she had learned enough to kill the Waif by herself. Cersei is queen because she has the power now. She killed everyone else, whether it be accidentally (Tommen) or directly (Baelor). Not sure where you get the impression that Dany is after Tommen in the line of succession, or why Jaime is after Dany. After Tommen dies it's not clear at all who has the "right" to the throne, as if such a thing ever mattered in the first place. Lastly, Jon is being proclaimed king in the north because despite him being a bastard, hundreds of people saw him personally take the fight to the cruelest ruler the north has ever seen, and come out soundly victorious. He is seen as a unifier, and everyone who was coerced into backing the Boltons is backing him out of choice. It does seem that there may be some tension with Littlefinger and Sansa, though. read some theory that the Iron Bank of Braavos has ties with the Faceless Men That's a fun theory. It would also give them a reason for training up Arya and then just setting her lose. The bank likes stability and as long as Cersie has power, that won't happen. So unleash an angry Stark trained as a Faceless and then they can't be blamed. Are you telling me banks control everything even in GoT's universe?
That would be pretty funny, TBH. Or at least they are the group that says "all right, enough for this family drama. All you fuckers need to die and we will get new people."
Another topic: Can we talk about the smash cut from baby Jon to adult Jon face and the music? That thing was powerful, but understated. And the music so well scored.
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On June 28 2016 03:04 Plansix wrote:
Another topic: Can we talk about the smash cut from baby Jon to adult Jon face and the music? That thing was powerful, but understated. And the music so well scored.
That was really impressive..
Overall the soundtrack for this episode was sooooo good...
Arya really went down a dark road, feeding his children to lord Frey. I liked how they referenced the legend of the rat cook that Bran tells in season 3 (I was waiting for something like this since that episode!)
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