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Zurich15313 Posts
On May 25 2016 17:33 KadaverBB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 17:18 icystorage wrote:On May 25 2016 15:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Are you guys forgetting the wildlings don't have a place to settle? You think one of the northern houses are just gonna be okay with that? They have every reason to fight as Jon or Sansa if not more. Also, she didn't take the offer from littlefinger, she used the information he gave her which as of now puts her at 0 risk. If Brienne shows up and what Littlefinger said is true, then great, she can use Blackfish's army which we all know Blackfish is probably the most trustworthy ally she has left, or he isn't there and they're back to where they started without LF's help anyway. The Wall has a LOT of castles I always wondered how many people those castles can actually hold. I know castle black is not the biggest castle, they mention that somewhwere in season 1 or something I don't remember. Castle Black looks so small haha, barely enough for those 100 guys of the watch. How are they going to fit thousands of Wildlings and feed them properly without taking some of the northern lands. Jon really didn't think this through very well 
Thormund says there are 2000 fighting man with the Wildlings. If we generously triple that number to account for women and children that is just 6000 people. Let's say it's 10k.
The North is HUUUUUUGE. There is easily enough room for a few thousand people. I mean it's not like they require, or deserve castles, but even the castles on the wall could probably hold them, never mind the huge areas of empty land.
It might of course be a politically tricky task to sell it to the other Northeners that suddenly wildlings are settling south of the Wall but there should easily be enough space.
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id worry about the political ramifications AFTER the war against the white walkers 
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On May 25 2016 17:59 icystorage wrote:id worry about the political ramifications AFTER the war against the white walkers
Problem being that you have the thousands up at the wall who know about the walkers, and the rest who laugh at the notion that there are white walkers.
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On May 25 2016 17:55 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 17:33 KadaverBB wrote:On May 25 2016 17:18 icystorage wrote:On May 25 2016 15:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Are you guys forgetting the wildlings don't have a place to settle? You think one of the northern houses are just gonna be okay with that? They have every reason to fight as Jon or Sansa if not more. Also, she didn't take the offer from littlefinger, she used the information he gave her which as of now puts her at 0 risk. If Brienne shows up and what Littlefinger said is true, then great, she can use Blackfish's army which we all know Blackfish is probably the most trustworthy ally she has left, or he isn't there and they're back to where they started without LF's help anyway. The Wall has a LOT of castles I always wondered how many people those castles can actually hold. I know castle black is not the biggest castle, they mention that somewhwere in season 1 or something I don't remember. Castle Black looks so small haha, barely enough for those 100 guys of the watch. How are they going to fit thousands of Wildlings and feed them properly without taking some of the northern lands. Jon really didn't think this through very well Thormund says there are 2000 fighting man with the Wildlings. If we generously triple that number to account for women and children that is just 6000 people. Let's say it's 10k. The North is HUUUUUUGE. There is easily enough room for a few thousand people. I mean it's not like they require, or deserve castles, but even the castles on the wall could probably hold them, never mind the huge areas of empty land. It might of course be a politically tricky task to sell it to the other Northeners that suddenly wildlings are settling south of the Wall but there should easily be enough space.
Considering the huge amounts of land the Night's Watch have available to them to produce and farm to uphold the castles they hold, there should be plenty of room
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So we somewhat learned that in the past the wall held against the whitewalkers before right? Or was that in a GoT history video with the actor narration, im wondering why is it that the whitewalkers have come out of hibernating or w/e they have been doing before. Why attack now, and if the wall defends will they come back in the future?
I think if they dont completely destroy the whitewalkers the wildilings might be able to serve the wall and become the nightswatch.
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On May 25 2016 19:20 Shock710 wrote:
So we somewhat learned that in the past the wall held against the whitewalkers before right? Or was that in a GoT history video with the actor narration, im wondering why is it that the whitewalkers have come out of hibernating or w/e they have been doing before. Why attack now, and if the wall defends will they come back in the future?
I think if they dont completely destroy the whitewalkers the wildilings might be able to serve the wall and become the nightswatch.
Isn't it something like they attack every time there is a suitably long winter, and it's just that the last few thousand years of winters have been really short?
And now they're having a really long summer, and it looks like an equally long winter is coming
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On May 25 2016 15:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Are you guys forgetting the wildlings don't have a place to settle? You think one of the northern houses are just gonna be okay with that? They have every reason to fight as Jon or Sansa if not more. Also, she didn't take the offer from littlefinger, she used the information he gave her which as of now puts her at 0 risk. If Brienne shows up and what Littlefinger said is true, then great, she can use Blackfish's army which we all know Blackfish is probably the most trustworthy ally she has left, or he isn't there and they're back to where they started without LF's help anyway.
the night's watch has a piece of land called the gift that they can use to farm, this is the land that was given to the wildlings by jon
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Zurich15313 Posts
On May 25 2016 20:41 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 15:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Are you guys forgetting the wildlings don't have a place to settle? You think one of the northern houses are just gonna be okay with that? They have every reason to fight as Jon or Sansa if not more. Also, she didn't take the offer from littlefinger, she used the information he gave her which as of now puts her at 0 risk. If Brienne shows up and what Littlefinger said is true, then great, she can use Blackfish's army which we all know Blackfish is probably the most trustworthy ally she has left, or he isn't there and they're back to where they started without LF's help anyway. the night's watch has a piece of land called the gift that they can use to farm, this is the land that was given to the wildlings by jon
Please no book content in the show thread.
I realize this is pretty much meaningless information but it makes moderation in here unecessarily harder.
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Germany25649 Posts
On May 25 2016 21:05 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 20:41 KOFgokuon wrote:On May 25 2016 15:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Are you guys forgetting the wildlings don't have a place to settle? You think one of the northern houses are just gonna be okay with that? They have every reason to fight as Jon or Sansa if not more. Also, she didn't take the offer from littlefinger, she used the information he gave her which as of now puts her at 0 risk. If Brienne shows up and what Littlefinger said is true, then great, she can use Blackfish's army which we all know Blackfish is probably the most trustworthy ally she has left, or he isn't there and they're back to where they started without LF's help anyway. the night's watch has a piece of land called the gift that they can use to farm, this is the land that was given to the wildlings by jon Please no book content in the show thread. I realize this is pretty much meaningless information but it makes moderation in here unecessarily harder.
Aren't you nice today, in the good old days you would have smashed him without giving him a second thought 
Anyway, the wildlings seem pretty aggressive, I wonder if they would even consider a "farming" lifestyle or if they'd rather fuck everything up and go rampaging through the lands.
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Canada8157 Posts
They'd get their ass beat, 2k soldiers is nothing
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On May 25 2016 21:45 Jer99 wrote:
They'd get their ass beat, 2k soldiers is nothing
arent some of the soliders super strong tho, those crazy grey faced scare people were really strong by the looks of it last time, when jon battled their leader he was pushing jon back and jon is arguably way better than the average soldier.
How strong are the dorthraki forces? the ones that kal drogo had, i remember there was a discussion on how they would fare vs the 7 kingdoms, i think the near the end most agreed that the dothraki forces would just raid all the small villages and farms while the soldiers in castles would be stuck there wanting to stay protected within their walls, getting flanked by horse riders who have been fighting all their lives wouldnt be favourable.
I imagine the wildlings could probably do the same thing, they would even have giants to demoralise the random farmers with a sword. tho stannis smashed them ...lol
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On May 25 2016 21:05 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 20:41 KOFgokuon wrote:On May 25 2016 15:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Are you guys forgetting the wildlings don't have a place to settle? You think one of the northern houses are just gonna be okay with that? They have every reason to fight as Jon or Sansa if not more. Also, she didn't take the offer from littlefinger, she used the information he gave her which as of now puts her at 0 risk. If Brienne shows up and what Littlefinger said is true, then great, she can use Blackfish's army which we all know Blackfish is probably the most trustworthy ally she has left, or he isn't there and they're back to where they started without LF's help anyway. the night's watch has a piece of land called the gift that they can use to farm, this is the land that was given to the wildlings by jon Please no book content in the show thread. I realize this is pretty much meaningless information but it makes moderation in here unecessarily harder.
I'm pretty sure it's mentionned in the show, in the first season
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On May 25 2016 21:05 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 20:41 KOFgokuon wrote:On May 25 2016 15:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Are you guys forgetting the wildlings don't have a place to settle? You think one of the northern houses are just gonna be okay with that? They have every reason to fight as Jon or Sansa if not more. Also, she didn't take the offer from littlefinger, she used the information he gave her which as of now puts her at 0 risk. If Brienne shows up and what Littlefinger said is true, then great, she can use Blackfish's army which we all know Blackfish is probably the most trustworthy ally she has left, or he isn't there and they're back to where they started without LF's help anyway. the night's watch has a piece of land called the gift that they can use to farm, this is the land that was given to the wildlings by jon Please no book content in the show thread. I realize this is pretty much meaningless information but it makes moderation in here unecessarily harder.
Haha as a mod of this thread your GoT-knowledge needs to be up to par. But it's good to see a bit of lenience, I never read any of the books and I heard about the gift too, probably from some wiki/youtube.
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As another non-book reader it's hard to tell what i picked up from the show, and what's a blend of random internet stuff and book friends explaining things 4 years ago :p
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On May 25 2016 22:11 killerdog wrote:
As another non-book reader it's hard to tell what i picked up from the show, and what's a blend of random internet stuff and book friends explaining things 4 years ago :p
And for a mod that has read the book it is even harder to say what he has picked up from books, the show or random internet stuff. So people should give him a break.
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Zurich15313 Posts
On May 25 2016 22:33 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 22:11 killerdog wrote:
As another non-book reader it's hard to tell what i picked up from the show, and what's a blend of random internet stuff and book friends explaining things 4 years ago :p And for a mod that has read the book it is even harder to say what he has picked up from books, the show or random internet stuff. So people should give him a break.
Or point me to the episode instead of just saying "it's from the show".
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
So Mance Rayder had 100.000 free folk in his army. Less than a thousand I think died at the siege of Castle Black. When Stannis arrived they also seemed to take little casualties, immediately surrendering the fight. About 5.000 got south of the wall with Jon and Tormund. About 5.000 got massacred at Hardhome. What's with the other 90.000?
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
On May 25 2016 21:54 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 21:45 Jer99 wrote:
They'd get their ass beat, 2k soldiers is nothing arent some of the soliders super strong tho, those crazy grey faced scare people were really strong by the looks of it last time, when jon battled their leader he was pushing jon back and jon is arguably way better than the average soldier. How strong are the dorthraki forces? the ones that kal drogo had, i remember there was a discussion on how they would fare vs the 7 kingdoms, i think the near the end most agreed that the dothraki forces would just raid all the small villages and farms while the soldiers in castles would be stuck there wanting to stay protected within their walls, getting flanked by horse riders who have been fighting all their lives wouldnt be favourable. I imagine the wildlings could probably do the same thing, they would even have giants to demoralise the random farmers with a sword. tho stannis smashed them ...lol
Wildlings totally lack any kind of discipline so I don't think they can handle sieges very well, whatever their numbers are. And even if they take Jon for a deity now, it's gonna take months of training and drill.
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On May 25 2016 22:39 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 22:33 Redox wrote:On May 25 2016 22:11 killerdog wrote:
As another non-book reader it's hard to tell what i picked up from the show, and what's a blend of random internet stuff and book friends explaining things 4 years ago :p And for a mod that has read the book it is even harder to say what he has picked up from books, the show or random internet stuff. So people should give him a break. Or point me to the episode instead of just saying "it's from the show".
I have no idea how much of what I know is from the show though, all I know is I never read or intentionally looked up anything from the books. Therefore I kind of assume everything I know is from the show.
It's hard to remember which of the 50+ hours of GoT i've watched over the last 5 years told me what a character was called or when an event happened :p
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On May 25 2016 22:39 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 22:33 Redox wrote:On May 25 2016 22:11 killerdog wrote:
As another non-book reader it's hard to tell what i picked up from the show, and what's a blend of random internet stuff and book friends explaining things 4 years ago :p And for a mod that has read the book it is even harder to say what he has picked up from books, the show or random internet stuff. So people should give him a break. Or point me to the episode instead of just saying "it's from the show".
Red wedding episode (S03EP09) in a discussion between Bran and Jojen Reed:
Jojen Reed: "Where are we?"
Bran Stark: "The Gift, I think. Brandon the Builder gave all this land south of the Wall to the Night's Watch, for their sustenance and support."
Kill the boy episode (S05EP05) in a discussion between John and Allister:
John: Look, well, there is good farmland in the Gift. Land that no one uses now. A dozen abandoned villages.
Allister: And why do you think the farmers abandoned those villages? Because the wildlings raided them for years.
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