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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
June 02 2015 04:17 GMT
#27601
Arya is training to be an assasin right? can she kill anyone she wants or she has still to follow that guys orders. Plus did she already used up all 3 free kills ? all i remember was that guard from the ruins
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 02 2015 04:19 GMT
#27602
On June 02 2015 13:17 shin_toss wrote:
Arya is training to be an assasin right? can she kill anyone she wants or she has still to follow that guys orders. Plus did she already used up all 3 free kills ? all i remember was that guard from the ruins


She is and I'm under the impression that she's under strict guidelines set by Jaqen.

She already exhausted her 3 freebies way back in season 2.
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
June 02 2015 04:24 GMT
#27603
On June 02 2015 13:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2015 13:17 shin_toss wrote:
Arya is training to be an assasin right? can she kill anyone she wants or she has still to follow that guys orders. Plus did she already used up all 3 free kills ? all i remember was that guard from the ruins


She is and I'm under the impression that she's under strict guidelines set by Jaqen.

She already exhausted her 3 freebies way back in season 2.


True, she just can't go around killing anyone she wants for no reason. There must be a reason for them to die.
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 04:38 GMT
#27604
On June 02 2015 13:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2015 13:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On June 02 2015 11:30 kwizach wrote:
After last week's most hated characters, here's a new one:

Poll: Who are you now rooting for the most?

(Vote): Jon Snow
(Vote): Tyrion Lannister
(Vote): Daenerys Targaryen
(Vote): Stannis Baratheon
(Vote): Arya Stark
(Vote): Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish
(Vote): Jaime Lannister
(Vote): Sansa Stark
(Vote): Bran Stark
(Vote): Margaery & Olenna Tyrell
(Vote): The High Sparrow
(Vote): Samwell Tarly
(Vote): Cersei Lannister



After that ep? The Walkers.

Everybody dies!


A part of me does hope the walkers have some righteous motivation for what they are doing. Even if it's just a survival thing.



I second this. I have hopes considering that there has been no LOTR style "pure good" or "pure evil" that is typical of the fantasy genre, so hopefully we learn more about their motivations. The walkers seem quite powerful, intelligent, and ancient but so far we know very little but I would love to know more!
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37076 Posts
June 02 2015 07:18 GMT
#27605
I swear I saw The Walking Dead just now...

But I really liked this episode. Tons of great action. FINALLY!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37076 Posts
June 02 2015 07:21 GMT
#27606
On June 02 2015 02:35 RCMDVA wrote:
I just read this... the actress playing the female wildling clan leader...was in Pitch Perfect 2.

NY Times Article - Birgitte Hjort Sorenson

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Pitch Perfect 2 + Show Spoiler +
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lol. I knew I'd seen her somewhere!
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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
June 02 2015 09:17 GMT
#27607
Valyrian Weapons in the TV Series of relevance.

Ice - Melted down to Widows Wail and Oathkeeper
Longclaw - John Snow's sword
Heartsbane - The sword of House Tarly
Dagger - The one used by the assassin to try and kill Bran


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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13077 Posts
June 02 2015 09:20 GMT
#27608
Why is Valyrian steel so rare ? The ppl are so bad at keeping valuable things in westeros :D
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
June 02 2015 09:30 GMT
#27609
O_o sam's family has a full sword, holy shit team Jon and Sam to kill the whitewalkers
have we seen sams dad yet? i just remember him talking about how his dad told him to go to the wall basically to die, but i guess now that hes a nightswatch he doesnt have any claim anymore T_T noooo tbh i would really like to see sam get fit and end up being a pretty badass fighter at least enough to defend the wildling girl.
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10882 Posts
June 02 2015 10:06 GMT
#27610
On June 02 2015 18:30 Shock710 wrote:
O_o sam's family has a full sword, holy shit team Jon and Sam to kill the whitewalkers
have we seen sams dad yet? i just remember him talking about how his dad told him to go to the wall basically to die, but i guess now that hes a nightswatch he doesnt have any claim anymore T_T noooo tbh i would really like to see sam get fit and end up being a pretty badass fighter at least enough to defend the wildling girl.


The whole Point of Sam is that he is kind heartet and literate but in no way made for the live at the wall (or for being in a battle).
Him becoming a good fighter or even wanting to actually fight when it could be avoided would totally alter his character.

Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
June 02 2015 11:32 GMT
#27611
white walkers = arthas ?
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Vesimias
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland135 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 11:51:22
June 02 2015 11:46 GMT
#27612
On June 02 2015 18:20 SkelA wrote:
Why is Valyrian steel so rare ? The ppl are so bad at keeping valuable things in westeros :D

Valyrian steel, as the name suggests, is originally from Valyria, and as we saw from couple episodes back, Valyria is kinda gone as a civilization. No one bar from a few blacksmiths know how to make Valyrian steel weapons let alone possess any Valyrian steel.

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Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 13:24:40
June 02 2015 13:02 GMT
#27613
Valyria's knowledge and science was way beyond current westeros and essos civilization.
Just like we had the middle ages after civilizations that were way more advanced, like ancient Rome and Greece

All of that knowledge got lost due the doom of Valyria, also how to make Valyrian steel.
There are a few weaponsmiths left who know how to work it, melt it into other weapons, but nobody knows how to make the steel itself anymore.

Probably also because the Dragons were gone and with them all magic left the world, Maester Luwin told that to Bran once.
And Valyrian steel is magic forged steel.
But Dragons are back now and magic is returning too, like we saw with the warlocks of Qarth.

Bit more info about the doom of Valyria:




The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Alcathous
Profile Joined December 2014
Netherlands219 Posts
June 02 2015 16:11 GMT
#27614
I agree that this season has a lot of cringe-worthy, nonsensical and badly executed plot twists.

But I want to strongly argue against the pace being too slow. Even if the pace is slow, what is so bad about that? From a tv series with some depth this is exactly what I want to see. I want there to be dead time in a plot untwisting, because that is exactly how a realistic plot untwists. I want to watch two people talk for 10 minutes. I want the director to paint a picture and colour in the setting without anything really happen. They add value.

If I wanted to see an over-the-top rollercoaster of a story, I'd watch Jupiter Ascending or something.

To me, what I look for is the 15 year old Japanese taiga drama experience. They don't get made like that anymore, even in Japan. Even with the large part of the target audience being 55+ woman. The historical samurai dramas are now shallow, bad acting and Hollywoodish because that gives better ratings. They used to be slow paced, convincing and gritty.
Fi0na
Profile Joined February 2014
0 Posts
June 02 2015 16:13 GMT
#27615
So the obvious conclusion would be Obsidian -> Valyrian steel (unrefined it kills white walkers but shatters, but refined it kills them without breaking). Now all that is left for Sam to find out is if you do need spells/dragons to get to Valyrian steel, and if so, which.
Life is not fair. But that's what chocolate is for.
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
June 02 2015 18:02 GMT
#27616
On June 03 2015 01:13 Fi0na wrote:
So the obvious conclusion would be Obsidian -> Valyrian steel (unrefined it kills white walkers but shatters, but refined it kills them without breaking). Now all that is left for Sam to find out is if you do need spells/dragons to get to Valyrian steel, and if so, which.


I don't think that's necessarily an obvious conclusion. My interpretation is that obsidian (dragon glass) is probably made from sand and dragon fire, while valyrian steel (dragon steel) is probably made just like regular steel but involves dragon fire instead of normal fire. I think dragons are definitely the key, but I don't think they will be able to go from obsidian to valyrian steel, even though both materials will be useful in the fight ahead.
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
June 02 2015 18:28 GMT
#27617
On June 02 2015 20:32 Makro wrote:
white walkers = arthas ?


WW have been around longer. A Game of Thrones is a book from the 90's. But necromancers were already popular then i guess. Dunno about ice necromancers.


Also, I'm rooting for the high sparrow, only guy caring about the common folk in this tale of High Lords.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23932 Posts
June 02 2015 18:29 GMT
#27618
On June 03 2015 03:02 ZasZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 01:13 Fi0na wrote:
So the obvious conclusion would be Obsidian -> Valyrian steel (unrefined it kills white walkers but shatters, but refined it kills them without breaking). Now all that is left for Sam to find out is if you do need spells/dragons to get to Valyrian steel, and if so, which.


I don't think that's necessarily an obvious conclusion. My interpretation is that obsidian (dragon glass) is probably made from sand and dragon fire, while valyrian steel (dragon steel) is probably made just like regular steel but involves dragon fire instead of normal fire. I think dragons are definitely the key, but I don't think they will be able to go from obsidian to valyrian steel, even though both materials will be useful in the fight ahead.


Dragonstone (Old Valyrian Stronghold) is near a volcanic zone. Dragonglass is probably made the same way obsidian is, It can probably also be made with dragons though. It's possible there is some dragon glass used in the forging of Valyrian steel with some loose science behind it regarding the silica (in extremely low amounts) could help produce a tougher blade.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
June 02 2015 19:30 GMT
#27619
On June 02 2015 13:38 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2015 13:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 02 2015 13:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On June 02 2015 11:30 kwizach wrote:
After last week's most hated characters, here's a new one:

Poll: Who are you now rooting for the most?

(Vote): Jon Snow
(Vote): Tyrion Lannister
(Vote): Daenerys Targaryen
(Vote): Stannis Baratheon
(Vote): Arya Stark
(Vote): Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish
(Vote): Jaime Lannister
(Vote): Sansa Stark
(Vote): Bran Stark
(Vote): Margaery & Olenna Tyrell
(Vote): The High Sparrow
(Vote): Samwell Tarly
(Vote): Cersei Lannister



After that ep? The Walkers.

Everybody dies!


A part of me does hope the walkers have some righteous motivation for what they are doing. Even if it's just a survival thing.



I second this. I have hopes considering that there has been no LOTR style "pure good" or "pure evil" that is typical of the fantasy genre, so hopefully we learn more about their motivations. The walkers seem quite powerful, intelligent, and ancient but so far we know very little but I would love to know more!

what if the white walkers are actually fleeing the north from an even more terrifying threat ?
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23932 Posts
June 02 2015 19:41 GMT
#27620
On June 03 2015 04:30 oGoZenob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2015 13:38 Kickstart wrote:
On June 02 2015 13:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 02 2015 13:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On June 02 2015 11:30 kwizach wrote:
After last week's most hated characters, here's a new one:

Poll: Who are you now rooting for the most?

(Vote): Jon Snow
(Vote): Tyrion Lannister
(Vote): Daenerys Targaryen
(Vote): Stannis Baratheon
(Vote): Arya Stark
(Vote): Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish
(Vote): Jaime Lannister
(Vote): Sansa Stark
(Vote): Bran Stark
(Vote): Margaery & Olenna Tyrell
(Vote): The High Sparrow
(Vote): Samwell Tarly
(Vote): Cersei Lannister



After that ep? The Walkers.

Everybody dies!


A part of me does hope the walkers have some righteous motivation for what they are doing. Even if it's just a survival thing.



I second this. I have hopes considering that there has been no LOTR style "pure good" or "pure evil" that is typical of the fantasy genre, so hopefully we learn more about their motivations. The walkers seem quite powerful, intelligent, and ancient but so far we know very little but I would love to know more!

what if the white walkers are actually fleeing the north from an even more terrifying threat ?


Right now they kind of just seem like locusts to me. Not good or bad just their existence is destructive (at least on first appearances) but it's not malicious. I guess some of the HBO lore suggests otherwise but it's not like the WW version of history has been told. We all know how 'The King Slayer" carried heavy negative connotations for those who didn't actually know the situation.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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