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On June 03 2014 08:24 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 08:15 SkelA wrote:
I may be crazy but Tyrion is safe. He wont die for sure (I think... I hope so lol).
I really hate Dany storyline why dont they kill her... Honestly even Joffrey was more amusing than her. If Dany is killed now then her entire storyline will have turned out to be an irrelevancy. I think she's safe until, at the very least, she makes it to Westeros, and that doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.
well you see, i think at this point its save to say that this isnt about telling a nice story and using all the story telling mechanics that you learn in school.
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That was the worst way to go for such an awesome character, oh well.
On the bright side Sansa might develop into an interesting character from now on. I think she fits very well with LF.
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On June 03 2014 09:45 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 09:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
Did it look like Sansa dyed her hair to anyone else? It looked a lot darker than usual? Yep, definitely dyed considering how red they made her hair in the last couple of episodes. + Show Spoiler [Youtube of her walking down stairs] +...what's with the maleficent dress though!??
Isn't it the kind of dress her mother was wearing at several points, or at least she looked a lot more like her mother then normal there right? I saw that as kind of her way/the shows way of showing that she's (at least temporarily) "agreed to" replacing her mother for littlefinger, at least to some extent.
On June 03 2014 08:11 huller20 wrote:
Wow...for the first time, I think the series has lost a lot more than it gained. Yes, the episode was great and outcome may not be too surprising.
However, the plot will now lose(lost) 2 fine, entertaining characters (Oberyn and Tyrion) at the cost of the Mountain, who really is just a brute and I doubt will play much of an actual role going forward, given that the actor possess little to no actual acting talent.
Tyrion is smart and may be able to wiggle out of this given his execution, for some inexplicable reason, is at another date as opposed to immediately succeeding his champion's loss (which just makes sense). I suspect Martin has something up his sleeve, but I daresay, the show will lose a lot in entertainment value if both Tyrion and Oberyn are lost to the Mountain.
If anything it does the opposite, for the most part only "good" things have happened to the popular characters this season. It's just been happy event after happy event, and a large part of the show's (and i assume the book's) charm is how literally anything can happen. I think it was a pretty well timed shot in the arm, right as people were getting complacent that oberyn would win, tyrion would live, and they'd annoy tywin together.
Fuck that ending though, every time i watch it in bed right before going to sleep, something like this happens. I was like, all ready to close everything down and have a nice relaxing sleep full of tyrion saying funny passive aggressive things, then suddenly brain matter :<
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On June 03 2014 10:55 kju wrote:
That was the worst way to go for such an awesome character, oh well.
On the bright side Sansa might develop into an interesting character from now on. I think she fits very well with LF.
It's about time, she was the most annoying forever. I love the hound and Arya and her reaction was the best. (Not sure if Arya/Sansa/Brienne/Hound will meet and what will happen if they do. I still have a hard time seeing Tyrion die because they left the show open ended (as in he DIDN'T DIE at the end of the episode, so maybe he has a chance normally in GoT people who die just fucking die!) A lot of people are spoiling about the mountains end result but we'll see what happens, as it stands Tyrion is sentenced to death. I am not really against Ramsey Snow's conquest so far, the guy does what he has to to get ahead and get results so w,e good for him, he's not a bitch like Joffrey was. Also very curious about what will happen to Sir Jorah, that was an interesting surprise and oh yeah, how the fuck will Jon Snow and those bastards hold the wall? They seem ABSOLUTELY screwed, can't wait for the climax of the show (last 2 hrs).
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Maybe Oberyn will still be able to act on adrenaline and kill the mountain, saw a few words and then die?
Maybe?
Yes?
:'(
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I admire the shows ability to compel the audience to emotionally invest in one-season characters. Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, Khal Drogo, Talissa Stark, Prince Oberyn, all likable characters with an expiration date.
The writers better stay away from Grey Worm.
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That was a pretty gruesome death. Only thing that really got to me was the teeth. Oberyn, with his pretty face gets turned into cherry pie within the span of a few seconds. That's what happens when you get over-confident I guess.
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On June 03 2014 11:30 EtDecius wrote:
I admire the shows ability to compel the audience to emotionally invest in one-season characters. Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, Khal Drogo, Talissa Stark, Prince Oberyn, all likable characters with an expiration date.
The writers better stay away from Grey Worm.
Talisa is in two seasons, 2 and 3.
But also - Syrio and Viserys (hate-able?). And the ability to invent new characters to fall in love with, such as Ros. And Talisa.
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On June 03 2014 08:11 huller20 wrote:
Wow...for the first time, I think the series has lost a lot more than it gained. Yes, the episode was great and outcome may not be too surprising.
However, the plot will now lose(lost) 2 fine, entertaining characters (Oberyn and Tyrion) at the cost of the Mountain, who really is just a brute and I doubt will play much of an actual role going forward, given that the actor possess little to no actual acting talent.
Tyrion is smart and may be able to wiggle out of this given his execution, for some inexplicable reason, is at another date as opposed to immediately succeeding his champion's loss (which just makes sense). I suspect Martin has something up his sleeve, but I daresay, the show will lose a lot in entertainment value if both Tyrion and Oberyn are lost to the Mountain.
Ya but think about the fact that a prince of Dorne just died in King's Landing, at the hands of another Lannister soldier. You think people back at Dorne are just gonna let this go?
We met one interesting character from Dorne this season, why not 2 or 3 or 4 more interesting characters next season? This story is long from finished.
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So Tyrion's story about his cousin and the beetles. I think of it as an analogy for the mountain and Oberyn. The mountain just wants to 'smash the beetles' or kill people left and right. Beaches of dead bodies, as Tyrion says. And though Oberyn was directly affected by it, he doesn't know exactly WHY Gregor Clegane wants to smash so many goddamn beetles. There may not be a reason, other than it being his nature. But still, a man with more 'wits' and 'knowledge' will wonder why he kills things with such a lack of discretion. Yet, it just seems to be the way the mountain is wired. Kill first, ask questions never. I don't know, but it's an interesting idea, for me at least.
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That guy really is a big fucking mountain of a man. Wow. Shoulda got a WWE wrestler to play him though.
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On June 03 2014 12:40 LeeDawg wrote:
So Tyrion's story about his cousin and the beetles. I think of it as an analogy for the mountain and Oberyn. The mountain just wants to 'smash the beetles' or kill people left and right. Beaches of dead bodies, as Tyrion says. And though Oberyn was directly affected by it, he doesn't know exactly WHY Gregor Clegane wants to smash so many goddamn beetles. There may not be a reason, other than it being his nature. But still, a man with more 'wits' and 'knowledge' will wonder why he kills things with such a lack of discretion. Yet, it just seems to be the way the mountain is wired. Kill first, ask questions never. I don't know, but it's an interesting idea, for me at least.
My answer to Tyrion's question is this: when your power to destroy becomes greater than any other facet of your personal agency, destruction becomes irresistible. We see this in the human monsters of our age; from hitler and stalin, who seized power beyond any human's moral grasp, to someone like elliot rodger, who's own emotional agency was so eradicated as to render violence the only way to make a mark upon the world.
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Jesus, the difference is size between the two were not portrayed really well in the latest episode
The armor actually made the mountain look less buff than what he is in reality lol. Maybe he should geta role in the next hulk movie.
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On June 03 2014 12:59 _-NoMaN-_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 12:40 LeeDawg wrote:
So Tyrion's story about his cousin and the beetles. I think of it as an analogy for the mountain and Oberyn. The mountain just wants to 'smash the beetles' or kill people left and right. Beaches of dead bodies, as Tyrion says. And though Oberyn was directly affected by it, he doesn't know exactly WHY Gregor Clegane wants to smash so many goddamn beetles. There may not be a reason, other than it being his nature. But still, a man with more 'wits' and 'knowledge' will wonder why he kills things with such a lack of discretion. Yet, it just seems to be the way the mountain is wired. Kill first, ask questions never. I don't know, but it's an interesting idea, for me at least. My answer to Tyrion's question is this: when your power to destroy becomes greater than any other facet of your personal agency, destruction becomes irresistible. We see this in the human monsters of our age; from hitler and stalin, who seized power beyond any human's moral grasp, to someone like elliot rodger, who's own emotional agency was so eradicated as to render violence the only way to make a mark upon the world.
Tyrion's story about his cousin and the beetles is a reference to how GRR Martin writes and treats his characthers. Think about it 
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On June 03 2014 13:10 HyDrA_solic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 12:59 _-NoMaN-_ wrote:On June 03 2014 12:40 LeeDawg wrote:
So Tyrion's story about his cousin and the beetles. I think of it as an analogy for the mountain and Oberyn. The mountain just wants to 'smash the beetles' or kill people left and right. Beaches of dead bodies, as Tyrion says. And though Oberyn was directly affected by it, he doesn't know exactly WHY Gregor Clegane wants to smash so many goddamn beetles. There may not be a reason, other than it being his nature. But still, a man with more 'wits' and 'knowledge' will wonder why he kills things with such a lack of discretion. Yet, it just seems to be the way the mountain is wired. Kill first, ask questions never. I don't know, but it's an interesting idea, for me at least. My answer to Tyrion's question is this: when your power to destroy becomes greater than any other facet of your personal agency, destruction becomes irresistible. We see this in the human monsters of our age; from hitler and stalin, who seized power beyond any human's moral grasp, to someone like elliot rodger, who's own emotional agency was so eradicated as to render violence the only way to make a mark upon the world. Tyrion's story about his cousin and the beetles is a reference to how GRR Martin writes and treats his characthers. Think about it
by other words: GRR Martin IS the dumb cousin, and the beetles he keeps killing are the characters in the book 
If the anology holds true then most characters will be dead by the end of the series lol.
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On June 03 2014 12:59 Orcasgt24 wrote:That guy really is a big fucking mountain of a man. Wow. Shoulda got a WWE wrestler to play him though.
Well instead they got an actual athlete (strongman competitor) so I think they won out
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On June 03 2014 13:18 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 13:10 HyDrA_solic wrote:On June 03 2014 12:59 _-NoMaN-_ wrote:On June 03 2014 12:40 LeeDawg wrote:
So Tyrion's story about his cousin and the beetles. I think of it as an analogy for the mountain and Oberyn. The mountain just wants to 'smash the beetles' or kill people left and right. Beaches of dead bodies, as Tyrion says. And though Oberyn was directly affected by it, he doesn't know exactly WHY Gregor Clegane wants to smash so many goddamn beetles. There may not be a reason, other than it being his nature. But still, a man with more 'wits' and 'knowledge' will wonder why he kills things with such a lack of discretion. Yet, it just seems to be the way the mountain is wired. Kill first, ask questions never. I don't know, but it's an interesting idea, for me at least. My answer to Tyrion's question is this: when your power to destroy becomes greater than any other facet of your personal agency, destruction becomes irresistible. We see this in the human monsters of our age; from hitler and stalin, who seized power beyond any human's moral grasp, to someone like elliot rodger, who's own emotional agency was so eradicated as to render violence the only way to make a mark upon the world. Tyrion's story about his cousin and the beetles is a reference to how GRR Martin writes and treats his characthers. Think about it by other words: GRR Martin IS the dumb cousin, and the beetles he keeps killing are the characters in the book If the anology holds true then most characters will be dead by the end of the series lol.
I'm ok with this! My theory for the ending is that Dany eventually sits the Iron Throne aka "wins" but Littlefinger is alive at the end...
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On June 03 2014 13:18 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2014 12:59 Orcasgt24 wrote:That guy really is a big fucking mountain of a man. Wow. Shoulda got a WWE wrestler to play him though. Well instead they got an actual athlete (strongman competitor) so I think they won out
I think he was suggesting that WWE wrestlers can actually act a bit.
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