When Jon first meets Mance, Mance tells him he was at winterfell when the king was there. Do you guys think they had it planned out that far in advance and had the person they want to play him walk around as an extra in some of the scenes? Or do you think they will show a small flashback when they get to A Storm of Swords?
The whole point of Jon's exchange with Mance, was Jon giving a good reason for going turncloak - "Remember where they sat the bastard?"
Since TV Jon wasn't even present at the feast hall, I can't see Mance's presence at Winterfell advancing the plot any. I'm pretty sure TV Jon will do something else to convince Mance that he is not loyal to the Night's Watch.
On May 07 2011 04:48 Doppelganger wrote: We have a new clip of episode 4:
Omfg, I've always wanted to punch Sansa in the face. How can anyone have so little sense?
What do you mean by that?
I don't like how she is either, but what she says does not lack sense.
Not in particular that scene in the clip, but in general... The way she is... Just so spineless and helpless and... Stupid
You may call her spineless for not telling the truth, but i don't think thats really fair. You have to consider the situation she is in. She has to marry joffrey, how do you think he will treat her if she takes her sisters side? This is not modern marriage, there are no divorces, and hes the prince, its not like anyone will complain about how he treats his wife. At the same time she doesn't want to betray her sister, so she simply says she doesn't know, the only course of action really. She didn't know that they would kill HER wolf at the time either.
Stupid.. maybe but I don't think thats true (having read the books), shes just delusional. Shes been raised sheltered believing in fairytale prince and princess story. She desperately wants it to be true and shes even prepared to overlook reality to fit her dream.
Yea I agree this part does not make her look that stupid but what she will do next + Show Spoiler +
Tell the queen that Ned has planned to sneak Sansa and Arya out of the King's Landing after Robert is dying.
does x4. I just hope they will include this into the TV series.
Omfg, I've always wanted to punch Sansa in the face. How can anyone have so little sense?
What do you mean by that?
I don't like how she is either, but what she says does not lack sense.
Not in particular that scene in the clip, but in general... The way she is... Just so spineless and helpless and... Stupid
You may call her spineless for not telling the truth, but i don't think thats really fair. You have to consider the situation she is in. She has to marry joffrey, how do you think he will treat her if she takes her sisters side? This is not modern marriage, there are no divorces, and hes the prince, its not like anyone will complain about how he treats his wife. At the same time she doesn't want to betray her sister, so she simply says she doesn't know, the only course of action really. She didn't know that they would kill HER wolf at the time either.
Stupid.. maybe but I don't think thats true (having read the books), shes just delusional. Shes been raised sheltered believing in fairytale prince and princess story. She desperately wants it to be true and shes even prepared to overlook reality to fit her dream.
Yea I agree this part does not make her look that stupid but what she will do next + Show Spoiler +
Tell the queen that Ned has planned to sneak Sansa and Arya out of the King's Landing after Robert is dying.
does x4. I just hope they will include this into the TV series.
What Ned does is several magnitudes more stupid than that. He tells Cercei that he has figured out that Jaime is the father of her children and that he plans to have her exiled, then does nothing in order to protect Robert or restrain her or the children. He basically tells his worst enemy all of his plans and leaves himself and Robert completely open for the countermove.
Sansa on the other hand has not been informed of any of this. Ned didn't bother to tell her to stay away from the Lannisters.
I've always hated sansa, but so glad he threw a character like Sansa into the story. It's a good contrast to have a wide diversity of characters. Which I think GRRM does a really good job of, although I'm not a big fan of Dany and some other characters. I love the "gray" characters he does as it's so much more entertaining then normal mary sue tropes.
Tyrion, Jon (mainly because the wall is a great setting and contrasts with he rest of the world., and Arya are what make this series for me. I really really hope GRRM closes out the book series strongly in the next 5 years and HBO keeps up with the series. Sadly I have to not get my hopes up too high.
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I'm at about episode 7-8 I think.
