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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On April 15 2014 01:38 Yoav wrote: Okay, so a lot of speculation that the Tyrells did it. But if Westeros is following usual western Europe succession rules: 1) Younger brother (Tommen?) is now king, though under the age of maturity and therefore using a regent. 2) Queen SarahConnor/Gorgia probably goes back to being regent, but it does depend on regency laws, which vary. Tywin probably gets to pick if there is any picking. 3) Tywin remains Hand (based on Ned Stark remaining hand even after a succession, until removal from the role). 4) Margery becomes a whole lot of nothing. Maybe keeps a Princess title, or some other ceremonial title, depending on how they hand those out, but no technical power whatsoever. I really don't see what she would gain from the marriage. Marriage doesn't make queens co-rulers under Westerosi law... they're just consorts. And even then, we were told earlier on in this show that consumation is necessary to count as a proper marriage. Only case I can imagine is if they want a marriage with Tommen (same deal, less insanity), and wanted to kill Joff before consumation so Westerosi incest laws don't prohibit the marriage (and allow them to avoid a Catherine of Aragon style mess). 5) Balon Greyjoy would do well to turn down wedding invitations for the forseeable future. So why would Lady Olenna want to kill the king, if her granddaughter Margaery doesn't gain anything from it? Is she plotting against her own granddaughter? | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
On April 15 2014 15:50 Shock710 wrote: joffery never found out about jamie being his dad right? Nope, him and Cersei discussed this in S1. And Cersei said it was a lie by enemies etc. And thats as far as it got with him. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On April 15 2014 11:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Legally, Cersei and her children have no claim since none of them are of the royal line. Stannis has the best claim, then his daughter. Legally, Stannis is the brother of a usurper. Dany has the only claim. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1964 Posts
On April 15 2014 17:04 Zane wrote: Legally, Stannis is the brother of a usurper. Dany has the only claim. Yeah, but if you're going to use that logic then no one has a claim the 7 kingdoms. Since no one ruled all of them until the first Targayrean showed and killed all the other kings so he could rule their kingdoms. So, pretty much Dany is the descendant of a usurper as well. | ||
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Belgium927 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13069 Posts
On April 15 2014 16:06 urboss wrote: So why would Lady Olenna want to kill the king, if her granddaughter Margaery doesn't gain anything from it? Is she plotting against her own granddaughter? After I saw the pic of Olenna getting the crystal from Sansa necklace im 99% sure its Olena together with the fat fool and a couple of more accomplices but I dont get the reasoning behind her actions. The only way happening its if Margaery poisioned descreetly putting the poison into his cup but Margaery want to be the queen and they sabotaged their chances to be a queen in the end. There must be some next level political shit going on here. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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klup
France612 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
however i forgot the necklace thing, interesting considering the magic came again in this world because of the dragons, it could make sense, like a power to make the wish of a person true (actually sansa wanted the king dead) | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7974 Posts
Some characters are safe, at least for a while. Aria is safe. Bran is safe. Jon Snow is safe. Daenerys is safe. Why? Because them dying now would mean they have gone through a journey that participated in nothing in the plot. Their story is ongoing and them dying would just be massively disappointing without bringing anything positive to the story. If Bran died now, it would basically just be an enormous amount of plot material going absolutely nowhere and delivering nothing. When Ned died, he had done his job, dramatically speaking. As much as it was hugely surprising, retrospectively, it made an awful lots of sense. I kind of believe that Tyrion is safe too, for some reason. Same reasoning doesn't completely apply, but I just believe he is a necessary ingredient for the whole thing to hold together dramatically, and I expect Martin to know about that. Or maybe that's just what I wish? I expect him to go through terribly hard time, but I don't think he will die at all, or then much, much later into the story. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On April 15 2014 16:06 urboss wrote: So why would Lady Olenna want to kill the king, if her granddaughter Margaery doesn't gain anything from it? Is she plotting against her own granddaughter? They made it abundantly clear that the crown/Lannisters can't afford everything that's going on and the oncoming winter (at least, that's what I'd guess the significance was of all the time spent discussing splitting the bill of the wedding and how much is owed the Iron Bank of Braavos). The Lannisters still need both the money and army of the Tyrells. | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On April 15 2014 20:29 Biff The Understudy wrote: I'm with you on this.I don't believe in the "nobody is safe" rule in GoT. Some characters are safe, at least for a while. Aria is safe. Bran is safe. Jon Snow is safe. Daenerys is safe. Why? Because them dying now would mean they have gone through a journey that participated in nothing in the plot. Their story is ongoing and them dying would just be massively disappointing without bringing anything positive to the story. If Bran died now, it would basically just be an enormous amount of plot material going absolutely nowhere and delivering nothing. When Ned died, he had done his job, dramatically speaking. As much as it was hugely surprising, retrospectively, it made an awful lots of sense. I kind of believe that Tyrion is safe too, for some reason. Same reasoning doesn't completely apply, but I just believe he is a necessary ingredient for the whole thing to hold together dramatically, and I expect Martin to know about that. Or maybe that's just what I wish? I expect him to go through terribly hard time, but I don't think he will die at all, or then much, much later into the story. Expect that I expect everyone to be dead at the end of the last book. And the last death will be particularly anti-climatic / 'senseless'.  | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On April 15 2014 20:48 Mikau wrote: They made it abundantly clear that the crown/Lannisters can't afford everything that's going on and the oncoming winter (at least, that's what I'd guess the significance was of all the time spent discussing splitting the bill of the wedding and how much is owed the Iron Bank of Braavos). The Lannisters still need both the money and army of the Tyrells. Ok, King Joffrey is dead. Tommen is the new King, but he is underaged. That means, for a couple more years, Cersei will be the Queen Regent. How do the Tyrell fit into this picture? You are saying that the Lannisters need the Tyrell because of money, which makes sense. However, are the Lannisters going to give up the throne just because of those money issues? | ||
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Spykiller
Norway87 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6807 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On April 15 2014 16:06 urboss wrote: So why would Lady Olenna want to kill the king, if her granddaughter Margaery doesn't gain anything from it? Is she plotting against her own granddaughter? Cercei will mary the knight of the flower. So it doesn't matter no? Wouldn't it make him king ? But there's cercei son. So she would be regent for a long time; What happen if the boy dies ? Jamie takes the throne ? Or Stanis ? In suspect who have also the new guy. (i can't remember his name). So. The old hag : [b='green']Pros[/b] : She marries knight of the flower to Queen Regent so he becomes "king regent ?". Cons : She lost the crown but Joffrey wasn't controllable. Tyrion : Pros : Joffrey was a dumb fucktard Cons : Tyrion is too smart to do this Sansa Pros : Hates every lannister Cons : Lacks opportunity / knowledge for poison. Shae : Pros : Could make Tyrion dead with a strat like that Cons : She was already gone. Cercei : Pros : Keep the throne and have another son. Joffrey wasn't controllable. Already tried to poison her son. Cons : She would lose Jaime. But she kind of already did Jaime : Pros : None Cons : He's lost. Couldn't have planed that Daenarys : Pros : Have dragons Cons : Were are my dragons ? Margery : Pros : Her husband was a dumb motherfucking tard Cons : Lose the throne. Tywin : Pros : Can control the kingdom again. Cons : Doesn't seem the king type. The new guy Pros : Hate lannisters Cons : None that i can think off. Mistress's new guy : Pros : Her man hates lannisters Cons : How did she pulled that off ? Jon Snow Pros : None Cons : Have the charisma of a seashell. Oh and also is at tons of kilometers What did i miss ? | ||
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On April 15 2014 21:11 urboss wrote: Q. Isn't because of the marriage that Margerie will be Queen Reagent, or is it because Cersei still has boys? Ok, King Joffrey is dead. Tommen is the new King, but he is underaged. That means, for a couple more years, Cersei will be the Queen Regent. How do the Tyrell fit into this picture? You are saying that the Lannisters need the Tyrell because of money, which makes sense. However, are the Lannisters going to give up the throne just because of those money issues? Also, I thought from the implications that the fool/fallen knight that Sansa helped was involved. My guess is that that Oberyn Martell is the man behind this as he gets to kill two Lannister 'birds' with one stone, but thats just a guess. Also, that death was so wonderfully poetic and perfect to the scenario, and the person in general | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On April 15 2014 21:52 FFW_Rude wrote: [/b]+ Show Spoiler + Cercei will mary the knight of the flower. So it doesn't matter no? Wouldn't it make him king ? But there's cercei son. So she would be regent for a long time; What happen if the boy dies ? Jamie takes the throne ? Or Stanis ? In suspect who have also the new guy. (i can't remember his name). So. The old hag : [b='green']Pros : She marries knight of the flower to Queen Regent so he becomes "king regent ?". Cons : She lost the crown but Joffrey wasn't controllable. Tyrion : Pros : Joffrey was a dumb fucktard Cons : Tyrion is too smart to do this Sansa Pros : Hates every lannister Cons : Lacks opportunity / knowledge for poison. Shae : Pros : Could make Tyrion dead with a strat like that Cons : She was already gone. Cercei : Pros : Keep the throne and have another son. Joffrey wasn't controllable. Already tried to poison her son. Cons : She would lose Jaime. But she kind of already did Jaime : Pros : None Cons : He's lost. Couldn't have planed that Daenarys : Pros : Have dragons Cons : Were are my dragons ? Margery : Pros : Her husband was a dumb motherfucking tard Cons : Lose the throne. Tywin : Pros : Can control the kingdom again. Cons : Doesn't seem the king type. The new guy Pros : Hate lannisters Cons : None that i can think off. Mistress's new guy : Pros : Her man hates lannisters Cons : How did she pulled that off ? Jon Snow Pros : None Cons : Have the charisma of a seashell. Oh and also is at tons of kilometers What did i miss ? Cersei tried to "poison" Tommen at the end of S2, yeah. But it wasn't to take the throne or to advance, or anything else in that area. It was to make sure he wouldn't get in the hands of Stannis, and that he'd die by hers. It wasn't exactly protecting him, but seeing as Stannis was very likely going to kill every Lannister either way, she would have probably given him a better death. | ||
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