Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED - Page 10

On December 25 2019 00:53 palexhur wrote:
The problem that they have, is that the force users are so fu... op now, you have to get rid of that theme to make something good about SW, like The Mandalorian, and only because the force user is a baby.

On December 25 2019 03:18 Falling wrote:
I've seen a rather strange overlap actually. The ones that really liked TLJ and the ones that really hated TLJ both don't like Rise of Skywalker. Whereas people just looking to see an action film and some spectacle in the form of Star Wars walked away enjoying alright. At any rate, it seems enough are liking it given that the audience score for RT has been locked at exactly 86% from 1k ratings to 44k ratings with no variation.

On December 23 2019 15:24 Sermokala wrote:
Your post makes me think you didn't understand what was going on in the prequels. The people who were blockading the planet for some unspecified reason other then "Trade" are the same people who ignited the galaxy-spanning war spread out over thousands of planets with billions and billions dead. Why is everyone cool with going along with this massive war over a single planet thats bearly industrialized?

And again this war, the war at the core of the prequels, is never elaborated on or explained in any real way. The clone army (that was based on mandalorians who were what boba fet was based on, that turned into the stormtroopers) was straight up Hitler Jugend.

The two (really just the one because the final order fleet was made on the sith ice planet) massive fleet came from the fact that the empire was literally a galactic sprawling empire that didn't just poof out of existence after the death star blew up. those fleets had to go somewhere. SW was always like that. the first and third movies where basicaly the same but with different steps.

the prequels were total abominations. How much time did they spend with the pod racing scene that makes no sense (god solve the whole betting shenanigans they go through to reach "if we win we get the boy and the parts if we lose you get the rest of the ship") The sheer ammount of lazy "lets sit and talk" scenes that never approch any of the major themes like the actual war.

Jar Jar alone should be enough to explain to you why the prequels were so bad. I genuinely need like a few hours to find out why you think the prequels are good. You're lieing to yourself if you think the prequels had a frame with how wildly different the first and the next two were. A brand new stock villian with a lame gimmick lightsaber but at least he talks and has as nonexistent of a backstory.


He wanted her to follow the ritual and "strike him down".

I'm not saying its not silly but you need to give it some wiggle room for it trying to create a finale out of the mess that TLJ was.

On December 25 2019 09:43 LegalLord wrote:
The 86% audience approval makes far, far more sense than the mind-boggling 91% critic approval that TLJ got. I see why most people would give a favorable appraisal of this movie, even if a lot of folks don’t like it.

On December 25 2019 09:43 LegalLord wrote:
The 86% audience approval makes far, far more sense than the mind-boggling 91% critic approval that TLJ got. I see why most people would give a favorable appraisal of this movie, even if a lot of folks don’t like it.

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On December 25 2019 13:46 LegalLord wrote:

Indeed, that is a little odd. But I would not be surprised if RT has an algorithm in place that is something like “after 10k entries, update the percentage only once weekly.” It’s usually something trivial like that.

The unmoving nature of the rating seems to be used to imply that viewers are actually not so fond of the movie and that RT is masking it, which really doesn’t seem to be the case. Just a quick sample on a couple of pages of reviews makes it look like something like 8 out of 10 people see the movie more favorably than not, which is quite consistent with the 86%.

On December 25 2019 18:38 Tal wrote:
Massively disappointing. Yes, it was exciting and looked great, but it was basically just a super hero movie, complete with endless "are they dead? No they aren't" fakeouts.

For Force Awakens, I was happy to give them the benefit of the doubt on lack of new ideas, and thought it was a solid film. But Rise of Skywalker literally had nothing new either. Not a single interesting concept, or even good bit of dialog.

TLJ was a mess too, but at least had that one great scene at the end with Luke facing down the First Order.

On December 25 2019 18:43 TheEmulator wrote:

The thing I liked about TFA was that it actually made me excited to see the next movie. It did its job which was to set up the storylines and get people up to date with the SW universe 30-40 years later. Coming into TLJ people were excited to see what Luke was up to, who Snoke was, Rey’s background, etc.

TLJ on the other hand set up absolutely nothing for the next movie. I had 0 expectations coming into it.

On December 25 2019 09:49 Erasme wrote:

i cba to reply to everything so i'll just take your major points:
Jarjar is only seen in the first movie (except for one scene in the 2nd and one in the third) so taking him to say the rest is shit is definitly a bad argument
Dont understand why you would shit on the pod racing tho
So ye, you take 1h of the first movie to shit on everything else, then you wonder why people don't agree with u, big surprise
Theres a scene in the 4th i believe where they explain that a ton of planets got destroyed during the clone wars
Trade federation was under the control of Palpatine
The prequels had a frame since it was about the rise of anakin and his fall
While i agree that the reason of the trade wars arent explained, i'm fairly sure you'd be shitting on the political aspect of it if they spent any amount of time explaining it.
I guess most people defending the prequels are just tired of people shitting on it thanks to a youtube video

On December 25 2019 00:02 LegalLord wrote:

I don't know what kind of Star Wars fan you are, or how critical you'd be of its faults. What perhaps might give you some pause is that the consensus seems to be that if you hated TLJ, you probably will like (but not love) this movie - whereas most people who had a favorable opinion of TLJ would be less fond of this one. I personally thought TLJ was abominable, and that this movie, for all its flaws, was quite alright. RoS definitely isn't a politically preachy movie, it's just the more traditional Star Wars done alright but not phenomenally. Its biggest flaw is the pacing, and its most direct analogue in the existing Star Wars fandom is the Dark Empire series.

My recommendation is, don't look for spoilers. I made the mistake of reading like 3-4 of them, which kind of ruined the immersion by making me try to anticipate the plot points. The story ended up better than the spoilers in isolation made it look. If you're not the kind of fan who seeks to nitpick every fault, there's going to be a lot of cool stuff to enjoy. It doesn't fail fundamentally as a cinematic work the way that TLJ does; it merely "has faults."

JJ, in his usual style, does better with characters than with plot. Almost all the characters get a send-off worthy of their design by the end. My favorite one:

+ Show Spoiler [Tags just for fun] +

On December 25 2019 23:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:


I definitely don't see how the prequels and sequels have the same problems.

In fact, I'd say their problems are quite different. I don't see a Mary Sue in the prequels that is anything close Rey, nor do I see any mind-numbing pacing problems in the sequels like you do with the political storylines in the prequels.

These are just two of many examples.