The series follows Elliot Alderson, a young man living in New York City, who works at the cyber security company Allsafe as a security engineer. Constantly struggling with social anxiety disorder and clinical depression, Elliot's thought process seems heavily influenced by paranoia and delusion. He connects to people by hacking them, which often leads him to act as a cyber-vigilante. He is recruited by a mysterious insurrectionary anarchist known as Mr. Robot and joins his team of hacktivists known as fsociety.
I enjoyed it. It kinda reminds me of a Dexter, but the main character's creepy compulsion is a million times more convincing and yet still more morally grey than "serial killing serial killers". The "hacking" scenes are pretty cheesy as expected, but it felt like the main meat of the story was the depth of the main character's mental problems rather than l33t hax0r skillz.
I'm already wondering if this is going to end up with the Fight Club scenario... Is Christian Slater's character even real or is it him projecting another personality? But with the way they present the show from his own fucked up point of view, I'm guessing that this is exactly what they want us to be asking... Who is real and who is just a figment of his haywire delusions?
Here's hoping that it ages better than Dexter did...
From the moment he calls E-corp Evil corp everyone around him does the same, including the text on TV. So that is a clue that we are just watching his version of reality which might be totally different from what is actually going on.
On June 29 2015 17:40 -Archangel- wrote: From the moment he calls E-corp Evil corp everyone around him does the same, including the text on TV. So that is a clue that we are just watching his version of reality which might be totally different from what is actually going on.
He specifically acknowledges that though; he's aware that it's actually E-Corp.
On June 29 2015 17:40 -Archangel- wrote: From the moment he calls E-corp Evil corp everyone around him does the same, including the text on TV. So that is a clue that we are just watching his version of reality which might be totally different from what is actually going on.
Yup. It seems to be a pretty clever psychological thriller, where the viewer is intentionally fed misinformation to keep wondering what is real and what is just in the protagonist's mind. I can't think of a series that pulled it off right. In movies, Fight Club is the obvious one. A Beautiful Mind plays with that in a more direct manner.
My current thoughts (without watching episode 2 yet) are that the Fun Society is imaginary.
Episode 2 didn't really pull me in. The characters went from interesting to bland and irritating in a single episode. The ending was kinda neat, but it doesn't work when you only have a single main character and know that he's not dead (probably just broke his arm).
No yeah he's not dead... Him and Christian Slater are definitely the same person. I think they made it pretty clear this episode and next episode will be the one where Elliot realizes it too.
On June 29 2015 17:40 -Archangel- wrote: From the moment he calls E-corp Evil corp everyone around him does the same, including the text on TV. So that is a clue that we are just watching his version of reality which might be totally different from what is actually going on.
In movies, Fight Club is the obvious one.
The main character nails the same cadence that Edward Norton uses in Fight Club's narration.
It has that disappointing 2edgy4me vibe now. Not much is happening, but damn, shit is deep.
On July 09 2015 14:20 SixStrings wrote: Did they elaborate on what the F in f-society stand for? Freedom society?
One possible clue: the building they use was called "Fun society" before it lost 2 letters on its sign. My guess is that it now means "Fuck society" :D.
so mr robot - is the guy real or just a projection of elliott who thinks it's his dead father or some other symbolic figure to enable him to go farther and farther in his hack attempts? at least the girl in the hacker group seems to be real - elliott's gf at least reacted to her when she sat in his apartment - haven't noticed that for mr robot yet (take the appletini scene e.g.). i find it rather unbelievable that a security company such as allsafe would hire idiots like the blondie and her boyfriend - and they are the most trusted employees of the ceo who also seems to be kinda unfitting and not very sharp. why would the most influential company in the whole world hire a bunch of apparent amateurs - when they had their crisis meeting a ~25-30 year old chick (that's how she is portrayed in the series) does the overall presentation to the execs - don't get it!
ok, this turned out rather ranty.. but I'm still looking for reasons why I should continue watching..
Wellick is Swedish, it's noted in the beginning of 1.1
I'm just about to finish 1.1 (waiting for these bullshit commercials to end), but I've got a feeling that Mr. Robot is eithe r a figment of Elliott's imagination or is his father. Like, actually his father.
Also, I count two HoC actors so far. Wondering if more will turn up.
On June 29 2015 08:41 scott31337 wrote: The series follows Mr. Anderson, a young cyber-security engineer who assumes the role of a vigilante hacker by night. Elliot meets a mysterious anarchist known as "Morpheus" who recruits Elliot to join his team of hackers.
so mr robot - is the guy real or just a projection of elliott who thinks it's his dead father or some other symbolic figure to enable him to go farther and farther in his hack attempts? at least the girl in the hacker group seems to be real - elliott's gf at least reacted to her when she sat in his apartment - haven't noticed that for mr robot yet (take the appletini scene e.g.). i find it rather unbelievable that a security company such as allsafe would hire idiots like the blondie and her boyfriend - and they are the most trusted employees of the ceo who also seems to be kinda unfitting and not very sharp. why would the most influential company in the whole world hire a bunch of apparent amateurs - when they had their crisis meeting a ~25-30 year old chick (that's how she is portrayed in the series) does the overall presentation to the execs - don't get it!
ok, this turned out rather ranty.. but I'm still looking for reasons why I should continue watching..
Wait your problem with the show is that a giant company wouldn't hire shitty outside contractor? What a world you must live in... Back in 2011 bank of America (which is as big and evil as E-corp) was anxious about wikileaks and their watchdog anonymous so they hired a private cybersecurity firm called hbgary. Their ceo Aaron Barr then claimed he had found informations about ringleaders of Anon and provided BoA a list of ideas to take down the group and wikileaks. As a result Anonymous broke into Hbgarys servers, destroyed their data, published their emails took down their website and then broke into Aaron Barr computer, published everything on it and remotely wiped out his iPad... Big firms do retarded things all the time, especially on tech issues and outside contracting.
As for the wellicks he is a sweedish actor and she is danish
Sounds convincing, although the leading firms I know are usually working with "the best" - that they go wrong some of the can happen though, sure - but the blonde girl who seems to be head of cybersecurity or something appears is like the side kick from Big Bang Theory, she just doesn't fit the profile of that firm/practice area at all.
Anyways, made my point, interesting that peanuts mentioned exactly what I said, although I wouldn't think it could be his actual Dad, whom he should sufficiently know.
Came here to post that I watched the first episode and I am liking it. Did not read the other posts to avoid spoilers but will be catching up on the episodes asap.
Mr Robot/Elliot, and Darlene/Trenton didn't have a single line of dialogue when they were with others in a scene. Always one of them fading to the background or exclusively talking to each other. The only time Mr. Robot spoke with others in a scene was the very first part of Elliot's trip sequence (and they get away with it cause it didn't really happen). I'm beginning to suspect we might have a few more split personality/characters introduced throughout the show to make character interactions even more complex, but if this is the true direction that the show is headed (a sprawling, long-form hacker take on "fight club"), the writers are going to have to work extremely carefully to not fuck it up. If it's all one elaborate red herring then I'm gonna be pissed.
Mr Robot/Elliot, and Darlene/Trenton didn't have a single line of dialogue when they were with others in a scene. Always one of them fading to the background or exclusively talking to each other. The only time Mr. Robot spoke with others in a scene was the very first part of Elliot's trip sequence (and they get away with it cause it didn't really happen). I'm beginning to suspect we might have a few more split personality/characters introduced throughout the show to make character interactions even more complex, but if this is the true direction that the show is headed (a sprawling, long-form hacker take on "fight club"), the writers are going to have to work extremely carefully to not fuck it up. If it's all one elaborate red herring then I'm gonna be pissed.
I think I need to rewatch it..
I found the 4th episode mindblowingly boring. If I wanted to watch people tripping out, I would watch it done a lot better in Trainspotting or Requiem for a Dream.
version of tvshow after 2 episodes in (i didnt realize we have this thread up haha, i posted in liquiddota instead). An amusing show has some entertaining for sure so i will keep watching.
Mr Robot/Elliot, and Darlene/Trenton didn't have a single line of dialogue when they were with others in a scene. Always one of them fading to the background or exclusively talking to each other. The only time Mr. Robot spoke with others in a scene was the very first part of Elliot's trip sequence (and they get away with it cause it didn't really happen). I'm beginning to suspect we might have a few more split personality/characters introduced throughout the show to make character interactions even more complex, but if this is the true direction that the show is headed (a sprawling, long-form hacker take on "fight club"), the writers are going to have to work extremely carefully to not fuck it up. If it's all one elaborate red herring then I'm gonna be pissed.
I think I need to rewatch it..
I found the 4th episode mindblowingly boring. If I wanted to watch people tripping out, I would watch it done a lot better in Trainspotting or Requiem for a Dream.
I agree. This show is becoming complacent. It's really losing itself in its "mood" or "ambience" or whatever, while, still, not much is happening.
On July 25 2015 01:31 nkr wrote: Just watched first episode. Seems promising. Some of the technical jargon is quite cringy though :D
Haha yes. But it's really not quite "I'll create a GUI interface in Visual Basic, and see if I can track his IP address" level. I think Mr Robot has a high enough level of technicality that the layman can't understand most of the terms (so it sounds impressive) but can easily follow the action, and a low enough level that they can stay mostly correct (for those who do understand). The problem being that experts are never going to talk about such technical trivialities this way, so it sounds weird ;D. I like that they stay away of the "matrix-style hacking" or the "multiple window flashing open hacking". Guessing or stealing people's passwords (or even just asking them upfront :D) is actually how most of the real world hacking occurs. The most effective flaws in a computer system are always human.
I just plowed through 5 episodes and am kind of addicted to this show. I know it's been mentioned earlier in the thread but the connections with Fight Club are there not only with the fact that I feel that he made Christian Slater in his mind but then again i'm never sure if they are going to be that obvious or not.
I wish the show had some more elements of the pilot with him almost like a super hero helping people with hacking seems they are just sticking straight to the main arch now.
I like the show and it seems ok to me that "the hacking" isnt entirely realistic, its a tv series after all and not a CS class. Its probably the same reasons why they cant show realistic DNA analysis or autopsies in crime series.
Lets hope the writers can keep it up.
oh and i had to skip that 15 min drug trip though, that didnt do anything for me. Told my brother at the end of the series we just see his real image, a drug junkie working for a telemarketer boxoffice with delisions of hacking people.
lol I thought the reaction to this show would be different here. I only watched the first episode but I thought it was well done. The Fight Club influence is pretty obvious so I wouldn't be surprised if the entire cast of hackers are figments of his imagination.
From what I've read they spent a lot of time and money making it the most authentic hacking presentation on TV or the movies to date (an admittedly low bar). I'm surprised that people are so disappointed in it.
This is actually a really good thriller. Consipracies, mystery, giving the viewers alot of question that will stay unasnwered for a while. The music is excellent, the camerawork is also really good (the going in and out of focus was a great way of portraying his feelings in that last scene) Actors are great, the criminal (forget his name), even makes me feel intimidated when I'm watching the screen, he's a great villain. The other white collar villain is also really good, him and his wife who will do anything to try to get to the top, are probably going to be Elliot's nemesi. What a powercouple though.
On August 03 2015 21:49 Uldridge wrote: This is actually a really good thriller. Consipracies, mystery, giving the viewers alot of question that will stay unasnwered for a while. The music is excellent, the camerawork is also really good (the going in and out of focus was a great way of portraying his feelings in that last scene) Actors are great, the criminal (forget his name), even makes me feel intimidated when I'm watching the screen, he's a great villain. The other white collar villain is also really good, him and his wife who will do anything to try to get to the top, are probably going to be Elliot's nemesi. What a powercouple though.
I'm starting to think we are maybe not supposed to see Wellick so much as a villain, but a fucked up character we are meant to root for despite ourselves... kinda like Ramsey Bolton in Game of Thrones. He's really is pretty fucked up though, especially after this episode.
On August 03 2015 21:49 Uldridge wrote: This is actually a really good thriller. Consipracies, mystery, giving the viewers alot of question that will stay unasnwered for a while. The music is excellent, the camerawork is also really good (the going in and out of focus was a great way of portraying his feelings in that last scene) Actors are great, the criminal (forget his name), even makes me feel intimidated when I'm watching the screen, he's a great villain. The other white collar villain is also really good, him and his wife who will do anything to try to get to the top, are probably going to be Elliot's nemesi. What a powercouple though.
I'm starting to think we are maybe not supposed to see Wellick so much as a villain, but a fucked up character we are meant to root for despite ourselves... kinda like Ramsey Bolton in Game of Thrones. He's really is pretty fucked up though, especially after this episode.
Someone roots for Ramsey Bolton? Those people should report to the nearest psychiatrist
On August 03 2015 21:49 Uldridge wrote: This is actually a really good thriller. Consipracies, mystery, giving the viewers alot of question that will stay unasnwered for a while. The music is excellent, the camerawork is also really good (the going in and out of focus was a great way of portraying his feelings in that last scene) Actors are great, the criminal (forget his name), even makes me feel intimidated when I'm watching the screen, he's a great villain. The other white collar villain is also really good, him and his wife who will do anything to try to get to the top, are probably going to be Elliot's nemesi. What a powercouple though.
I'm starting to think we are maybe not supposed to see Wellick so much as a villain, but a fucked up character we are meant to root for despite ourselves... kinda like Ramsey Bolton in Game of Thrones. He's really is pretty fucked up though, especially after this episode.
Someone roots for Ramsey Bolton? Those people should report to the nearest psychiatrist
Really glad they're letting the twist unravel now, perfect time to use it to build tension up to the finale over the final 2 episodes. This show has truly hit it's stride.
I found 'The Knick' to be the best new show of 2014, and Mr Robot has quickly shaped up to be this year's best newcomer.
I got put off completely by Ep. 4, but with people heaping on the praise here, watched Ep. 5. Much better again. As long as they keep the whole drug stuff to a minimum this shows promise.
Yeah... REALLY like how they are showing the thing we've all known all along :D Can't wait for next episode. And of course this changes everything about how I perceive Darlene up to this point. Complete 180 on that character.
Acrofales, keep going... Episode 6 is where I think it starts to truly get interesting.
On August 14 2015 05:05 tshi wrote: How does it compare to the wire? i just binged on it and i dont' think I can watch traditional tv anymore
It is not comparable to the wire really. Nearly everything is done differently, the focus, the tone, the camera work, I don't see any similarities whatsoever. Mr. Robot feels a lot like "Fight Club - the TV series" (with a bit of "12 Monkeys" and "Memento" mixed in). It is astonishing how much more 'movie-like' it comes across.
A bad ending can still ruin the season IMHO, but so far the writing has been excellent, so knock on wood the conclusion will hold up.
Now even the sound guy stepped up his game in this episode. Amazing to watch.
And the story still holds up, so the last episode will determine for me, how I will rate this show. It will be either 'really good' or 'the best show I have ever seen', but it is up there for sure.
the mr. robot is my father - mr robot is imaginary and exists only in my head
we will see how this season will come to an end....I am curious
Honestly, I think it requires a rewatch, because I figured that much in the beginning, but then they had Mr Robot talk to people independently of Elliot, or in situations where Elliot was completely incapacitated. The scene with Tyrell makes sense, although his epiphany for why Elliot was in all those places comes AFTER the chat with Mr. Robot, which does not make as much sense. However, there are a few scenes where people seem to be aware of a conversation between Elliot and Mr. Robot, which only makes sense if they (particularly, Darlene) have high tolerance for people holding internal dialogues out loud...
Why does there always have to be a bitch in these sorts of shows?
In Dexter it's Deb, in Breaking Bad it's Skylar, in Suits it's that half black chick, I mean do these TV show creators test screen audiences and find out that females won't tune in unless there's some really stupid woman with subpar IQ that any real main character would never be interested in in real life because they could easily fuck hotter chicks but they just have to have them to keep audiences watching or something?
But other than that, I enjoy the Dexterishness of this TV series.
Ever thought about, that it could be your view of women?
Deb? She was foul-mouthed and self-confident without being arrogant. How does that make her a bitch? Skylar? A lot of nagging, sure, but ultimately she was supportive to Walter even when she knew that his path can not end well. That defines a bitch for you? And Rachel? The sweetest and most innocent character on this show gets the bitch label? Really?
On September 02 2015 23:03 Justice Crash wrote: Why does there always have to be a bitch in these sorts of shows?
In Dexter it's Deb, in Breaking Bad it's Skylar, in Suits it's that half black chick, I mean do these TV show creators test screen audiences and find out that females won't tune in unless there's some really stupid woman with subpar IQ that any real main character would never be interested in in real life because they could easily fuck hotter chicks but they just have to have them to keep audiences watching or something?
But other than that, I enjoy the Dexterishness of this TV series.
On September 02 2015 23:47 lord_nibbler wrote: Ever thought about, that it could be your view of women?
Deb? She was foul-mouthed and self-confident without being arrogant. How does that make her a bitch? Skylar? A lot of nagging, sure, but ultimately she was supportive to Walter even when she knew that his path can not end well. That defines a bitch for you? And Rachel? The sweetest and most innocent character on this show gets the bitch label? Really?
Agreed, in each of these shows these women are basically angels compared to their sociopath male counterparts... The problem is they're set up as contrasts to the anti-heroes and come off as lame and whiney when they're actually just good people.
I'm not so sure its exactly the way you suggest... White Rose knows Elliot was the person behind it, but seems to be playing dumb when talking to the CEO there at the end. The CEO guy might not know who the person he is talking to is, though clearly there is something going on here we don't have all the info about.
Overall the finale was a bit uneventful but I guess the big reveals were all in episodes 7-9 and 10 was just showing the aftermath and setting up some mystery for the next season.
I'm still sold on this show overall and am looking forward to the next season!
That was a really good episode, pretty good for a season finale if you ask me, leaves a lot of unanswered questions for next season. Though, sigh now I have to wait a fucking year for more .
Was I the only one who was kind of creeped out by Tyrell's wife? she looked all kinds of dangerous/scheming in that scene with that look she was giving Elliot.
This shit seriously left me with more questions than answers.
Specially with Tyrell, where is he? and what happened between him and Elliot?. Also I was very surprised to see White Rose talking to the Evil Corp CEO, but I also think that the person the CEO thinks is behind the attack is someone else and White Rose is not correcting him or talking about it.
On September 04 2015 06:53 TanKLoveR wrote: That was a really good episode, pretty good for a season finale if you ask me, leaves a lot of unanswered questions for next season. Though, sigh now I have to wait a fucking year for more .
Was I the only one who was kind of creeped out by Tyrell's wife? she looked all kinds of dangerous/scheming in that scene with that look she was giving Elliot.
This shit seriously left me with more questions than answers.
Specially with Tyrell, where is he? and what happened between him and Elliot?. Also I was very surprised to see White Rose talking to the Evil Corp CEO, but I also think that the person the CEO thinks is behind the attack is someone else and White Rose is not correcting him or talking about it.
This show is amazing - I can't get enough of it. Very glad it already got renewed.
Joanna Wellick is definitely a power player and it's not really clear what her plan or goals are with Tyrell out of the picture.
I interpreted the final conversation with Price (Evilcorp CEO) and White Rose as Price suspecting Wellick with White Rose playing dumb. Price just had that falling out where Wellick flipped out and he probably knows Wellick is rather tech-savvy. This would give him strong motive to get revenge and also the means. We know Price lies extensively based on what he said to Angela about the guy killing himself, right before honoring him with his speech. So maybe he lied when saying that he didn't suspect Wellick.
As for what game White Rose is playing, no idea really. That's one of the biggest mysteries to learn more about season 2, along with Wellick of course.
How much does Gideon suspect Elliot? It seemed like a whole lot in their last interaction based on his line of questioning.
Also, why does Joanna go from "i won't let them take you" or whatever showing intense loyalty, to "you're out of the family" pretty much?
On September 04 2015 06:53 TanKLoveR wrote: That was a really good episode, pretty good for a season finale if you ask me, leaves a lot of unanswered questions for next season. Though, sigh now I have to wait a fucking year for more .
Was I the only one who was kind of creeped out by Tyrell's wife? she looked all kinds of dangerous/scheming in that scene with that look she was giving Elliot.
This shit seriously left me with more questions than answers.
Specially with Tyrell, where is he? and what happened between him and Elliot?. Also I was very surprised to see White Rose talking to the Evil Corp CEO, but I also think that the person the CEO thinks is behind the attack is someone else and White Rose is not correcting him or talking about it.
This show is amazing - I can't get enough of it. Very glad it already got renewed.
Joanna Wellick is definitely a power player and it's not really clear what her plan or goals are with Tyrell out of the picture.
I interpreted the final conversation with Price (Evilcorp CEO) and White Rose as Price suspecting Wellick with White Rose playing dumb. Price just had that falling out where Wellick flipped out and he probably knows Wellick is rather tech-savvy. This would give him strong motive to get revenge and also the means. We know Price lies extensively based on what he said to Angela about the guy killing himself, right before honoring him with his speech. So maybe he lied when saying that he didn't suspect Wellick.
As for what game White Rose is playing, no idea really. That's one of the biggest mysteries to learn more about season 2, along with Wellick of course.
How much does Gideon suspect Elliot? It seemed like a whole lot in their last interaction based on his line of questioning.
Also, why does Joanna go from "i won't let them take you" or whatever showing intense loyalty, to "you're out of the family" pretty much?
Yeah that woman is scary as hell, Elliot was smart to figure out that he better gtfo and go as far as possible from her. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she killed Tyrell. I think her change in attitude was simply due to her perceiving their situation, what Tyrell did (killing that woman not manipulating her and her husband to get that job) as a failure which doesn't seem like something she tolerates. At first those two strike me as together we'll make this shit happen or die together type of relationship, but it quickly became obvious that Joanna was behind the scheming and she was in charge, so when Tyrell started to look weak and like he wasn't getting it done anymore she kicked him out. Who knows what will happen with him next season if he's even alive, but she's probably on her own next season (not that she needs Tyrell).
Yeah obviously the CEO thought he knew something about whoever was behind the attack, but going by White Rose's response, it seems to be wrong information?. Who knows what White Rose is up to anyway, probably the type of person who only collaborates when he has to or benefits him. Also yeah that CEO is a scumbag, honestly don't know how Angela stuck around after what he said about that guy.
I doubt Gideon trusts Elliot anymore, so he's probably looking into it thinking Elliot had something to do with what has happened. He looks like he's smart and he knows Elliot is very good at what he does. I doubt he can link him to anything but like with everything else, we'll have to wait a year to find out.
The finale points to many clandestine dealings between Evil Corp and the Dark Army. Love it!
Where has Tyrell gone to? My theory, in short, is that he helped Elliot to do the hack and is now in hiding because the Dark Army and Price knows he is connected to Fsociety
Joanna is definitely super creepy and has been from the beginning. I don't think she has rejected Tyrell at all, I think she was just putting pressure on him to fix his fuck up.
The thing that leaves me feeling the most uneasy is that they put all this build up around that gun that Darlene stole and hid in the popcorn machine, even showing it in the recap at the beginning of the finale, then did not mention it or show anything about it even once...
Tyrell is the one pounding on the door no? Anyway, other than the romance stuff (not my cup of tea in pretty much any movie/show), best story on TV this year imho.
That even here, this show wallows in obscurity, baffles and concerns me. I feel like we're at a point in society where we will look back and see a fork in the road. One path leading to revolution, the other Idiocracy.
i'm watching episode 1 and i think he should just start dating the psychologist woman she's pretty totally hot
i don't like the staged dumb shit obviously like + Show Spoiler +
him deciding not to give that IP address then suddenly changing his mind (without them making it clear that he didn't intend to do it in the first place (and why)... ) and switching the paper infront of like 10 people
but i like the theme , i'm watching mainly coz i liked Zankyou no Terror and it reminds me of that a bit (anime where 2 guys take on the world)
thanks for including the timestamp, I was so drawn till the end, I got late to meet friends. I'd be 30 mins later if it started from the begining , checking the rest later
thanks for including the timestamp, I was so drawn till the end, I got late to meet friends. I'd be 30 mins later if it started from the begining , checking the rest later
Hah, I didn't even know I did that to be honest. Yeah I watched it all in one sit through also, and by the time i was done thought it had gone pretty fast. An honest interview by him, so it's really interesting.
This show is crazy good. Goes on the top of my list along with Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones. A lot of nicely nuanced hints, good flow, good realism, good drama, good acting, and plot.
Right the same episode he appeared, I had a huge feeling that the father was imagined; regardless it was a great job they did with it. It was maybe even intentional since he says "you knew, didn't you?"
On September 06 2015 07:51 MassHysteria wrote: Plus, pretty interesting interview: + Show Spoiler +
On December 10 2015 10:18 Manit0u wrote: This show is worth watching for the music alone. Amazing soundtrack. Reminds me a lot of DeusEx:HR soundtrack.
True, the soundtrack is really good. I downloaded/bookmarked a lot of the show's songs and it led me to finding Alabama Shakes, whose album is now surprisingly-nominated for Album of the year.
I started disliking the show after they slit his girlfriend's throat. Things were starting to get happy up to that point. It also seemed kind of unreal.
Overall the show seems to be examining different kinds of power people can have, and how they can use it. The big one missing so far is legal power.
I started disliking the show after they slit his girlfriend's throat. Things were starting to get happy up to that point. It also seemed kind of unreal.
Overall the show seems to be examining different kinds of power people can have, and how they can use it. The big one missing so far is legal power.
Because legal power is sand in the eyes for the people that have no power.
...there's a bit too much of the schizo stuff with the protagonist. Social anxiety and drug addiction were enough in my opinion, entering Rainman territory was overboard. Instead of spending so much time and effort building this entire "twist" they could put in more stuff including his actual work at Allsafe (the part where they call him in at night because of the attack is one of the best in the series in my opinion). I also didn't enjoy most of the trippy flashbacks. Instead they could've given more screen time to the supporting cast and develop their backstories a bit (the chemist hacker, the fat dude, Darlene, Darlene's ex etc.). Some Tyrell backstory would be a nice touch too.
As it is it's too much a one-man show like Rainman or Donnie Darko. I'd prefer more character development on others.
I started disliking the show after they slit his girlfriend's throat. Things were starting to get happy up to that point. It also seemed kind of unreal.
Overall the show seems to be examining different kinds of power people can have, and how they can use it. The big one missing so far is legal power.
Because legal power is sand in the eyes for the people that have no power.
And yet it is the way to get the strength of the power of the state behind you. Policemen will come to do your bidding. The law is an incredible force.
Season 2 preview looks good... As much as I liked season 1, this is a show that could go all Dexter at any moment so I'm always a little bit hesitant to get excited about this show, but that trailer seems to be still going in the right direction!
I really like the show. It sits at a strange crossroads between 80's cyberpunk fiction and 90's pop culture (obviously Fight Club). However, can someone answer this question? + Show Spoiler +
Mr. Robot has been seen acting independently with other characters (Tyrell and the black guy in particular), but they don't notice Elliot looks / acts completely different? Why didn't Tyrell recognize Elliot as Mr. Robot?
Elliot looks at the popcorn machine where Darlene stashed the gun. However, he didn't see her stash the gun. This leads me to believe that they are, also, the same person.
Then again, I think Elliot is everyone. He can will people in / out of existence and is seemingly omniscient. The show operates from a limited first person perspective--the audience only knows what the main character knows--but every character calls E-Corp "Evil Corp," even though Elliot isn't around to mishear it. That might seem like a small detail, but it's an important one.
Mr. Robot's line "I was only the prophet, you were supposed to be my god," along with Tyrell's line "we never paid attention to what's above us, God," leads me to believe that a great deal of the show is in Elliot's head, and that the *actual* theme of the narrative is about post-modern solipsism rather than corporate greed, etc. How Mr. Robot's been interacting with multiple characters sans Elliot and their not recognizing him is beyond me.
Before the police show up, Tyrell seemed like he was on the verge of saying something. He began with, "You turned me into this" (or something like that), which in conjunction with the Elliot-being-god thing makes me think that Joanna has somehow brainwashed Elliot into thinking he's Tyrell.
Or maybe Angela is Joanna (alludes to being adopted [I *think*] after giving birth) and Elliot is Tyrell, and they've both entered into a shared delusion.
Another theory: while learning to program, Elliot used to copy-paste source code to create his own websites; the following scene depicts people wearing their dark secrets around their neck. Anyway, the point is that people, too, can be copied and pasted onto a blank space. Mr. Robot's disk is blank; Mr. Robot is also Elliot. Maybe he is literally everyone.
For a show that's stolen every trope from Neuromancer to Fight Club, it's somehow unoriginal without being derivative. I'm annoyed that I like it, honestly.
I can totally see they're using alot of elements to make up their world and to progress the story that have been used before. I can also see that it's definitely not the easiest thing to come up with a completely original setting in today's television/cinema landscape (SO many resources poured into it, SO much production). Breaking Bas is essentially a guy who makes meth and deals with his competition mixed with family issues (and the family issues rising from it) and is, when boiled down to the core, not the most original set up either. However, they made it work brilliantly with all the tools they have. GoT is essentially an epic, in a middle-age setting, Day's Of Our Lives, but it works because reasons. Mr Robot has an excellent score, great film editing and cinematography and acting accompanied with an intriguing, albeit non completely oringinal, story. It's what makes it so good for me. I can't really find any issues with this show to be honest, other than it might've been figured out already. But which show hasn't?
I binged S1 when watching it for the first time and it was definitely quite the ride. Season two starts in a couple of weeks, Jul 13! Looking forward to watching it and having time to digest between episodes.
USA network, or more specifically the mr. robot social media team has been on fire the last couple days.
Just today fsociety "hacked" their social media and pre-released the first episode of season two. Havent seen it yet, as it was only available for two hours before it got "taken down". Managed to find a download and cant wait to watch it (seems to only be episode one, so theres still episode two to watch come thursday (here in europe).
Well fuck, i watched s02e01 just now (as expected - fantastic), only its clear that episode one and two are meant to be watched as a two-parter - which in turn means waiting even two (or three in my case) more days is god damn too long.
on principle I dislike twists that ask more questions then are answered but I really liked this one. The fact that the reveal was in the area were people from the outside talk to the inmates and thats where anyone from the outside has interacted with him. Plus it ties up a lot of werid things from the previous episodes that were foreshadowing.
Whats he in for though? There is no way that its for the murder and its not going to be dumb writing so he has to get out at some point soon.
I just finished watching the first Season, and I have to say, my feelings are mixed.
After watching the first episode, I definitely had a perspective that this wouldn't be an all psychiatric TV show, I was really hoping for a more realistic hacking TV show (which I thought particularly the first episode did better than any movie I've ever seen), and dealing with the world... Instead of it all being shit in your head, with unbelievable hacking and characters on the side. So in that regard, the show really let me down.
What I'm quite surprised is that there's been no mention of Hannibal in this thread, and that's probably why. Anyone who watched all of Hannibal wouldn't go watch this, as it's essentially an analogues copy. This genre has little to no replay value, and really, once you've seen one, you've seen them all.
I remember a similar feeling with Hannibal, how initially it caught my attention and I was interested, but then it just got kind of silly and dumb, with the writers purposely leaving out crucial information however they felt like, to make these twists and wow moments be unexpected. I dunno, it feels really artificial, and I think for most people, the further they get into a show like this, the more let down they'll be, so tread with caution.
I don't know how this show compares to one like Dexter, but I don't care much to find out, as any show that's criticized by most of its following is usually not worth watching. I'm kind of looking at watching a new show, since from the ongoing ones (GoT, Vikings, Better Call Saul, Walking Dead [bleh], Bob's Burgers, and Brooklyn Nine-Nine)... After Parks & Rec, Hannibal, and Breaking Bad ending, and having watched some other historic TV shows like Rome, I could use a new one to watch.
On TL in terms of popularity, Suits is up there, but to me it just looks like another "Lost" or "Walking Dead" type of thing, and from rl friends I've heard it's very repetitive, so not something that is inciting much interest in me, then we have Fear the Walking Dead, which since it's also made by AMC, and after what Walking Dead is, never again. No need to try and get put in that situation where they try to hook you on subpar TV. Sorry fans, but come on, 90% of people watching Walking Dead now are doing it for the sake of starting it and the sunk time, we all complain after watching it. Those are mostly the two shows I'll never give a chance, and everything else but superhero stuff is fair game for me.
From TL, Sherlock on BBC looks neat, my girlfriend likes Rick and Morty, but the humor looks a little bit... I don't want to say immature, but I enjoy a silly comedy if it's a "feel good" one, for which my examples would be Bob's Burgers, Brooklyn Nine-nine, Parks and Rec, The Office... While my other category is "asshole humor", which like Family Guy or American Dad, or Southpark and I'm not sure exactly where Rick and Morty is on that spectrum. I'm not a big fan of the art style of it either, but that's an acquired taste.
Silicon Valley seems like a nice topic, but it requires perfect execution to be believable, especially since it's a topic I have a bit of an understanding in. Most TV shows are bad at making modern engineering and science look realistic, hence my skepticism there. Then I see Arrow, Banshee, Homeland that I don't know much about... also House of Cards which I've heard great things about from many people, maybe that should be my next show. True Detective, Fargo, Boardwalk Empire, among others also look great. A friend also recommended Lucifer to me, but I watched the trailer, and reminds me a bit too much of Supernatural, which is one of those shows that has a bit too much fantasy for me. Yes, GoT has fantasy too, but there's so much stuff happening there, that it's not what draws me in, it's rather the interactions, strategizing, an depth.
Anyway, choosing a right show for me is important, cause it's difficult for me to drop even shows that I'm not enjoying much, I'm not sure if I'm the only here that does that. But yeah, onto the thread topic, after episode 1 which I thought was very well done, and this is before I even knew anything about the show, what kind of category it was, or watching a trailer, I thought it was good. Then from episode 2-4, my view declined and declined, seeing as there really isn't going to be much hacking, and the scale of the show is a lot lower than I thought it'd be. Then maybe around episode 5, the drug usage stuff slowed down a bit, and I finally thought they were getting into something more normal than I expected, but it was kind of false hopes. Naturally episode 7-first half of 9, my interest went up a bit due to the climax of the season, and the father -> all hallucinations kind of thing, but I was then quickly let down that this show will have minimal to do with hacking, and it was all about holding superficial suspense. Obviously that's just my fault for not reading up before starting it. So while not awful, after reading about people saying this season is slow, and a bit of a waned interest in this thread for season 2, I'm skeptical about starting another season.
Suits and Silicon valley are both fun and enjoyable shows. Something to watch without getting to invested in.
BBC Sherlock is easily one of my favorite shows ever, and Luther is similarly awesome. Go watch both of them now.
I have no idea how you haven't seen house of cards yet, go watch that now too. House of lies is also awesome.
I really enjoy Arrow in spite of itself. The writing and acting are pretty bad IMO but it doesn't fall into the trap of just battling a different villain every episode while barely doing anything with the overall plot so I keep watching even though I'm facepalming half the episode.
On August 30 2016 13:51 decafchicken wrote: Suits and Silicon valley are both fun and enjoyable shows. Something to watch without getting to invested in.
BBC Sherlock is easily one of my favorite shows ever, and Luther is similarly awesome. Go watch both of them now.
I have no idea how you haven't seen house of cards yet, go watch that now too. House of lies is also awesome.
I really enjoy Arrow in spite of itself. The writing and acting are pretty bad IMO but it doesn't fall into the trap of just battling a different villain every episode while barely doing anything with the overall plot so I keep watching even though I'm facepalming half the episode.
I dunno, I'm a very quality over quantity kind of person, because I feel like every extra show you watch, the less you'll like the next one. I guess it's that the less you understand about the process, the better it is, at least for me. Generally speaking, whenever I visit a forum to discuss a TV show, particularly GoT or Walking Dead, I start relying on other people's perceptions instead of mine, people criticize things to amplify what wasn't bad, or there was an actual reason for it being the way it was without them thinking about it... Or simply things that I wouldn't notice and don't bother me when I'm watching get brought up. So it's for all these reasons I just want to stumble upon a good show while knowing about it, while at the same time, not watching any bad show. Unsurprisingly, very difficult to do... Man, that time someone recommended me to watch Arrested Development, worst time waste of my life. It's a bit of the I get invested into the show even if it's trash, and a bit of I want to give it a benefit of doubt, and see if this was a build up towards something grand.
So suggesting 6-7 TV shows at once generally isn't very good to me, since it looks like you have the quantity approach S: I suppose I'll give House of Cards a try. I ready online that if you don't like the first episode you wont like it, so seems like a fail safe approach.
Lol thought i was pretty clear about which ones are quality shows :p You probably won't like suits/silicon/arrow/house of lies. I've never heard ANYONE say a bad word about Sherlock, and I've probably watched every episode 5+ times. Luther is probably just as good, but not a very well known show from my experience if you want something more under the radar. First season of House of Cards is absolutely stellar. Slight downhill from there but still really good, hard to top the first season.
Sense 8 (netflix) and The Night Of (hbo) would also be worth looking into.
On August 30 2016 13:51 decafchicken wrote: Suits and Silicon valley are both fun and enjoyable shows. Something to watch without getting to invested in.
BBC Sherlock is easily one of my favorite shows ever, and Luther is similarly awesome. Go watch both of them now.
I have no idea how you haven't seen house of cards yet, go watch that now too. House of lies is also awesome.
I really enjoy Arrow in spite of itself. The writing and acting are pretty bad IMO but it doesn't fall into the trap of just battling a different villain every episode while barely doing anything with the overall plot so I keep watching even though I'm facepalming half the episode.
I dunno, I'm a very quality over quantity kind of person, because I feel like every extra show you watch, the less you'll like the next one. I guess it's that the less you understand about the process, the better it is, at least for me. Generally speaking, whenever I visit a forum to discuss a TV show, particularly GoT or Walking Dead, I start relying on other people's perceptions instead of mine, people criticize things to amplify what wasn't bad, or there was an actual reason for it being the way it was without them thinking about it... Or simply things that I wouldn't notice and don't bother me when I'm watching get brought up. So it's for all these reasons I just want to stumble upon a good show while knowing about it, while at the same time, not watching any bad show. Unsurprisingly, very difficult to do... Man, that time someone recommended me to watch Arrested Development, worst time waste of my life. It's a bit of the I get invested into the show even if it's trash, and a bit of I want to give it a benefit of doubt, and see if this was a build up towards something grand.
So suggesting 6-7 TV shows at once generally isn't very good to me, since it looks like you have the quantity approach S: I suppose I'll give House of Cards a try. I ready online that if you don't like the first episode you wont like it, so seems like a fail safe approach.
You should just follow college football if you never want to be happy about anything ever.
Seriously, if you are that picky about TV shows that you can not be asked to at least try a couple for first episodes and only want the highest quality recommendation, you are almost making the experience disappointing on purpose. If the entry bar is set that high that you only watch 'universally loved' stuff and it turns out to just be above average for you, as it more often than not ends up to be, you ruined the enjoyment for yourself. There is no perfect thing is this world and especially TV series are very subjective to begin with. So do yourself a favor and learn to try out shows for a couple of episodes, there are so many 'hidden gems' out there that are not hyped but may very well fit your taste to the tee.
Also, I see your list did not contain the best TV ever, The Wire Seriously, I know it is a big task, taking weeks to binge watch but it will forever change your view of serial police shows and politics. And for your information, people only criticize Dexter so vehemently because the first 2 seasons were fantastic and you should absolutely watch them. But you should also definitively stop by season 4 at the latest because by than they had switched authors and the show fell to such low standards it was truly mind boggling.
On September 02 2016 13:50 lord_nibbler wrote: And for your information, people only criticize Dexter so vehemently because the first 2 seasons were fantastic and you should absolutely watch them. But you should also definitively stop by season 4 at the latest because by than they had switched authors and the show fell to such low standards it was truly mind boggling.
Season 4 was actually the high point of the series, season 5 was ok but don't watch beyond that.
I recommend utopia as a pretty decent viewing experience (unfortunately discontunied after season 2 but most story arks were solved pretty much)
On September 02 2016 19:37 Tachion wrote: This show is such a mind-fucking dance of fuckyness. I have absolutely no idea what to expect next and that is fantastic.
I think this show has done better at this than most, I have no idea what to expect episode to episode. Seems like we're trying not to spoil things for people just finding the show/thread so...
I think the 2nd season the show dwelled too much on Elliot's inner demons - I like the aspect of it but I don't want to hear him combat it over and over and over again. Would like to see more of Elliot doing his magic - hacking, because that's what this show is essentially about. I haven't finished the 2nd season but first season was much better imo.
Is Elliot's mental condition real? The multiple personalities, memory lapses, blackouts etc. Do people actually experience things irl like he does, or is it a made up mental illness to support the shows plot? It looks like he's heading toward a breaking point and will eventually need serious medical help.
On September 03 2016 05:36 parkufarku wrote: I think the 2nd season the show dwelled too much on Elliot's inner demons - I like the aspect of it but I don't want to hear him combat it over and over and over again. Would like to see more of Elliot doing his magic - hacking, because that's what this show is essentially about. I haven't finished the 2nd season but first season was much better imo.
Agree with this. I think the writers became wayyyyy too fancy (for lack of a better word) in the second season.
On September 03 2016 05:36 parkufarku wrote: I think the 2nd season the show dwelled too much on Elliot's inner demons - I like the aspect of it but I don't want to hear him combat it over and over and over again. Would like to see more of Elliot doing his magic - hacking, because that's what this show is essentially about. I haven't finished the 2nd season but first season was much better imo.
That's where I disagree.
I initially had the impression that it's about hacking, but at the end of the day, the TV is a psychological thriller. Yesterday and today I ended up binge watching the 2nd season... And yep, a bit disappointing, even though I surprisingly didn't expect the episode 7 twist.
My main gripe is how it's so out of touch from reality. Like even though I wasn't a fan of the drug stuff earlier on, okay okay, I can at least I can kind of relate and understand what he's going through. But now they are portraying him having some condition that doesn't exist in the real world, or if it does, a very poor representation of it. Realism is always a big thing for me in TV shows, but the show has been using a lot more of "it's just how it is" to make the situations work. Like having cameras everywhere but Evil Corp building, having FBI so stupid that just divulge all their plans, also very conveniently withholding information from us.
But anyway, yes, it's a psychological thriller. I don't think I've watched any besides Hannibal, and for me, the execution is extremely similar, though I probably have a slight preference for this one, as the basis is more interesting to me, it's more entrenched in real society (I appreciate the contemporary society references), and the girls are cuter. Either way, for a while this story has gotten into fantasy land, and take it for what it is.
On September 02 2016 13:50 lord_nibbler wrote: Seriously, if you are that picky about TV shows that you can not be asked to at least try a couple for first episodes and only want the highest quality recommendation, you are almost making the experience disappointing on purpose. If the entry bar is set that high that you only watch 'universally loved' stuff and it turns out to just be above average for you, as it more often than not ends up to be, you ruined the enjoyment for yourself. There is no perfect thing is this world and especially TV series are very subjective to begin with. So do yourself a favor and learn to try out shows for a couple of episodes, there are so many 'hidden gems' out there that are not hyped but may very well fit your taste to the tee.
Also, I see your list did not contain the best TV ever, The Wire Seriously, I know it is a big task, taking weeks to binge watch but it will forever change your view of serial police shows and politics. And for your information, people only criticize Dexter so vehemently because the first 2 seasons were fantastic and you should absolutely watch them. But you should also definitively stop by season 4 at the latest because by than they had switched authors and the show fell to such low standards it was truly mind boggling.
I didn't watch too many TV shows until relatively recently, hence why I didn't go back to some of the older classics, instead of what's focusing on what's out now. To me, some shows just didn't age well, one that comes to mind that everyone recommended to me was The Sopranos. I watched two episodes, and it didn't click for me, it wasn't bad, but it was the same themes I've seen time and time again, not sure if it's the nostalgia factor for some people. Stuff like Better Call Saul is really a breath of fresh air on this crime drama genre.
Kind of the reason why I haven't bothered to watch Dexter or The Wire, just more and more crime dramas, it's like damn where is the creativity. In every of these TV shows, all the not primary and secondary characters act the exact same way, the way you'd expect them to, only the main characters are making out of the ordinary choices. Pardon my ignorance, but from the few episodes I've seen, on surface they are different, but then it's just reoccurring themes over and over.
Hence why I like other genres, where it's a different environment but still grounded in human logic. Medieval European history is also a heavily overused genre for dramas, but Vikings, GoT, and Rome were still different enough imo. I know it's extremely tough to create a world complex and chaotic enough while still being grounded in human logic, without borrowing from today's society, or very closely from history, not to mention very expensive on the budgets, but it's by far my favorite genre.
On September 01 2016 13:01 decafchicken wrote: Lol thought i was pretty clear about which ones are quality shows :p You probably won't like suits/silicon/arrow/house of lies. I've never heard ANYONE say a bad word about Sherlock, and I've probably watched every episode 5+ times. Luther is probably just as good, but not a very well known show from my experience if you want something more under the radar. First season of House of Cards is absolutely stellar. Slight downhill from there but still really good, hard to top the first season.
Sense 8 (netflix) and The Night Of (hbo) would also be worth looking into.
Thank you for the extensive advice. House of Cards and Sherlock will be my next two I try, after reading up a bit on them, they do sound like they'd suit my taste. Thirdly, I'll try Silicon Valley, a bit skeptical, but I had a light chuckle from the Season 1 trailer, so I'll see.
Oh, I also looked at a few Newsroom trailers, read a few reviews on it, and so forth, kind of reminds me of the US politics thread here on TL, so I've had enough of that for now S: Anyway, I've done more than enough to derail the thread, so looking forward to watching the last three episodes for the season. Not sure what they're plan is at all, but I do hope some big events happen, as in terms of moving the story forward in Season 2, it seems like most of it was build up to something big.
edit: Opps, meant to edit above post, not create a new one, sorry for the triple post.
On September 03 2016 07:19 FiWiFaKi wrote: Kind of the reason why I haven't bothered to watch Dexter or The Wire, just more and more crime dramas, it's like damn where is the creativity.
I am sorry, you can of course like/dislike anything you want, but please be fair. These two shows are sooo not the usual crime TV and lumping them together is painfully wrong!
Dexter is a story about a psycho serial killer from his perspective and it is totally unapologetic about it. To this day it is hard to believe such a bold premise ever got green lit.
And the Wire is only "another crime drama" for people who just watched the pilot (or really stupid viewers). It is a deep and lasting commentary on society, politics, schools, police work and the world we live in. One could actually make the point, that the crime stuff gets deliberately pushed into the background. Even the average viewer is not interested in "getting the bad guy" anymore after some time...
Really cool TV Show. This one's for the people who has advanced knowledge about computers, programming, hacking etc. Because a person who only do social medias and games will not get most of the things that are being done in the show. Sam Esmail is the man.
Yesterday I watched "Who am I", a German movie from 2014, and the similarities to Mr.Robot are uncanny.
Socially awkward main characters in hoodies with mother issues used as unreliable narrators, hackers meeting in subways, Ritalin in combination with multiple personality disorder, Scandinavians in positions of power, heroes working with dangerous foreign hacker groups.
I don't know if I like the twist with the dark army getting involved and more brazen in high profile street crime. It seems very ham fisted for a group that has thus far been terrifying in their subtlety.
Also shooting up FBI agents is the least realistic part of this. There's no way they just let that slide.
On September 09 2016 09:43 Tachion wrote: Poor Angela D:
Nothing happened to her yet. Those 2 persons might even be from the FBI since we know Dom had her followed. Poor Cisco though... I think Darlene should be fine.
My guess would be that Stage 2 is related to launching of ECOIN. Best guess would be that it will be revealed that ECORP does not actually own/control it but the Dark Army/Eliot. We ll have to wait and see.
On September 17 2016 10:20 Tachion wrote: Summary of this week's episode: you have no idea what is going on here's a bunch of puzzling shit fuck u tune in next week.
I love it. Coupled with the immersive music and the great camerawork it just completes the riddling nature of this second season. You never truly know what's actually going on, but you definitely do know something big is gonna go down.
On September 16 2016 08:22 tehlemur wrote: My guess would be that Stage 2 is related to launching of ECOIN. Best guess would be that it will be revealed that ECORP does not actually own/control it but the Dark Army/Eliot. We ll have to wait and see.
It's probably ECOIN related, probably power related too. Why else would the Chinese be so invested in the plant? I love all the dualities and changes characters undergo on this show, it's so riveting. What I also love about this show is how they depict the process of a great socio-economic shift in contrast to alot of movies where you start with the end result, some kind of dystopia or whatever and they try to make ends meet.
A theory on reddit seemed reasonable to me. The plant could be a lab for experimental research on implementing dual personalities into people and controlling one. Two of their first subjects are elliot and angela(elliots other persona is his father, angelas is her mother) Whiterose is also crossdressing/has two characters so maybe he tried the experiment on himself first. The "friend" who thaught Elliot "mind awake body asleep" thing might be a memory from this experiment
I was as skeptical as Elliot in the end after seeing Tyrell though.
This is going to be one of those shows that's great to rewatch with someone watching it for the first time (as long as you can shut them up asking for spoilers).
Knowing how clueless they are, meanwhile it's almost like watching a different show for you, because you know stuff even Elliot doesn't know (which just thinking over the first two seasons would be pretty comical).
Everyone thought they were clever when they presumed Mr. Robot was like a Tyler Durden, little do they know that's not even the tip of the iceberg.
I am happy to see Tyrell is still alive but now we have to wait so long for the next season I hope some Mr. Robotesque shit happens and we get to see another episode on their website or something like that
There is a ~3 minute long scene after credits featuring Leon, Trenton and Mobley btw
It's not up yet on Amazon Prime Germany D: Edit: Quite the plot twist at the end. It definitely makes me want to watch a whole lot more of this series. Overall though, I haven't liked Season 2 as much as the first one, mostly due to the reduction of hacking and shifting focus to Elliot's inner struggle with Mr Robot.
second season was good but not great, i love the way that they shoot high and hope that they continue to do so, but they have unfortunately missed a few times this year, looking forward to season three and i hope that they reign in the fight club tributes a bit
man, for a moment, I really thought that Tyrell was an illusion too... the fact that it really was Scott sending gifts and making phones calls to Joanna, well... that meant Tyrell could really well be dead
this phone call to Angela was really intriguing... I could understand that Tyrell loved Elliot, with that god bullshit he had previously, but during that phone call, it seemed to mean more than that to me. Elliot was really weird too when Tyrell told that poem
That whole thing with Joanna and that waiter guy she's been seeing, her telling him to tell the police about seeing the other guy come down from the roof etc, makes me really wonder if she's more aware of Tyrell's plans than she shows. Maybe she's been in on it since the beginning (tbh I would be surprised if she wasn't consider her relationship with tyrell) and was part of her job to get this guy to fall in love with her so she could manipulate him into sending another man to jail for what Tyrell did. That and Angela's phonecall with Tyrell were ridiculously intriguing to me.
To me this season has been quite awesome, a lot slower than the first one, but I feel this season is just a set up for everything that will happen on season three, so I'm okay with it. Angela's development through this season has been crazy O.o, can't say I would have guessed this is where she would end up.
On September 23 2016 02:41 TanKLoveR wrote: That whole thing with Joanna and that waiter guy she's been seeing, her telling him to tell the police about seeing the other guy come down from the roof etc, makes me really wonder if she's more aware of Tyrell's plans than she shows. Maybe she's been in on it since the beginning (tbh I would be surprised if she wasn't consider her relationship with tyrell) and was part of her job to get this guy to fall in love with her so she could manipulate him into sending another man to jail for what Tyrell did. That and Angela's phonecall with Tyrell were ridiculously intriguing to me.
To me this season has been quite awesome, a lot slower than the first one, but I feel this season is just a set up for everything that will happen on season three, so I'm okay with it. Angela's development through this season has been crazy O.o, can't say I would have guessed this is where she would end up.
I think Joanna doesn't know whether Tyrell is alive or not
when Joanna says this is the greatest gift Tyrell has given her, it was when she found out it was Scott Knowles sending the gifts & phone calls
it gave her an avenue to finally start a viable plan to get Tyrell's severance package
Yeah obviously she wants the money from the severance package that Scott is withholding, but couldn't she just accomplish that by calling the cops after he beat the crap out of her? obviously landing him in jail for murdering his wife will be a lot bigger and would almost certainly secure her money. I just don't really see what part this waiter guy plays into all of this, he seems to be there just so Joanna can use him that is all, I find it hard to believe that she cares at all about him. Was she just sleeping with him just in case one day he might be useful? there has to be some real plan behind it.
On September 23 2016 09:21 Zane wrote: So the FBI has everything figured out except Whiterose?
Dom saw the clock and dress rooms of Minister Zheng and learned he has no sister so i think she will use that to figure something out later. Otherwise that scene would be mostly meaningless.
On September 23 2016 09:21 Zane wrote: So the FBI has everything figured out except Whiterose?
Dom saw the clock and dress rooms of Minister Zheng and learned he has no sister so i think she will use that to figure something out later. Otherwise that scene would be mostly meaningless.
I really liked that scene beacuse it told us something completly different then what it told the character that he was showing it to.
I wish the finale was another "after the bomb drops" episode like the season one finale was but it got really good near the end. I legitmatly didn't know what was going to happen next for a long while there.
the post credits scene I think is on the same level as season one if not more if I understand it right. That they figured out a way to turn back the clock on everything thats happened so far nd now the dark army has found them and is watching them.
Rewatched S1 and 2 in the last days. S2 really is a lot better when being watched back-to-back instead of having to wait a week for each episode. For the premiere of S3, I liked it, too. + Show Spoiler +
I hope they don't go down the time-travel route, for me personally it'd feel too much scifi-y for a show like Mr Robot which has always tried to be as realistic as possible. Also, the time-travel hints feel a bit too obvious for the show, given the red herrings it has had in the past (for example in the finale of season 2 when we were supposed to think Tyrell was another imagined person). About the huge machine we see in the beginning, I think it's either a particle accelerator or a quantum computer? If it's the latter, I'm fairly certain the endgoal could be some Matrix-like machine where everyone was able to simulate their own reality. What's really interesting for me is Angela's role: On one hand, she seems to be the only person being able to strongly influence both Elliot and Mr. Robot, which gives her a LOT of power. On the other hand though, it looks like she is kind of brainwashed by Whiterose. I don't think WR told Angela the truth, it doesn't look like there'd be a reason for it. Maybe WR claimed time-travel was possible and would allow to "revive" her mother (helped by having Angela being interviewed by a girl that looks very similar to her younger self) in order to convince her to control Elliot (and Mr Robot). A detail I found very interesting is that she told Mr Robot in the bus scene: "As I told you before, I'm not talking to you the way I talk to Elliot", so she either talked to Mr Robot in the days between Elliot getting shot and the actual Elliot waking up again or even before that. I'm wondering what Darlene's goal in cooperating with the FBI is however. Is she just trying to save her ass or does she actually want to help Elliot?
On October 14 2017 00:50 Clubfan wrote: Rewatched S1 and 2 in the last days. S2 really is a lot better when being watched back-to-back instead of having to wait a week for each episode. For the premiere of S3, I liked it, too. + Show Spoiler +
I hope they don't go down the time-travel route, for me personally it'd feel too much scifi-y for a show like Mr Robot which has always tried to be as realistic as possible. Also, the time-travel hints feel a bit too obvious for the show, given the red herrings it has had in the past (for example in the finale of season 2 when we were supposed to think Tyrell was another imagined person). About the huge machine we see in the beginning, I think it's either a particle accelerator or a quantum computer? If it's the latter, I'm fairly certain the endgoal could be some Matrix-like machine where everyone was able to simulate their own reality. What's really interesting for me is Angela's role: On one hand, she seems to be the only person being able to strongly influence both Elliot and Mr. Robot, which gives her a LOT of power. On the other hand though, it looks like she is kind of brainwashed by Whiterose. I don't think WR told Angela the truth, it doesn't look like there'd be a reason for it. Maybe WR claimed time-travel was possible and would allow to "revive" her mother (helped by having Angela being interviewed by a girl that looks very similar to her younger self) in order to convince her to control Elliot (and Mr Robot). A detail I found very interesting is that she told Mr Robot in the bus scene: "As I told you before, I'm not talking to you the way I talk to Elliot", so she either talked to Mr Robot in the days between Elliot getting shot and the actual Elliot waking up again or even before that. I'm wondering what Darlene's goal in cooperating with the FBI is however. Is she just trying to save her ass or does she actually want to help Elliot?
I agree on the time traveling thing, they were too straight forward about it for that to be what they are talking about. I think the Matrix idea seems reasonable, it does look like a particle accelerator though and that does seem to point towards some type of time travel. WR's obsession with time also bends the story this direction.
I feel like Mr/Robot asking Angela about why she was doing this was more important than it seemed. As if he was making sure she was still believing some lie. Perhaps that the deaths we know about are not as they appear.
Maybe something all the way crazy like Elliot is actually a figment of Mr. Robot's imagination. His adult son that he created in his mind to exact revenge against the corporation that killed him in his infancy. Same for Angela.
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, checking the rest later
