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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 26 2014 11:44 GMT
#18901
As in, I'm going to be sick
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
September 26 2014 13:39 GMT
#18902
Shonens are like the last place you'd look for romance, cause the mangakas are virgins.

Got the h dojinshi's for that, and they do it way better. Might as well pretend they're canon *shrug
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 17:51:47
September 27 2014 17:25 GMT
#18903
On September 26 2014 19:11 yevoc wrote:
About Kishi:+ Show Spoiler +

I remember digging up some Kishi interviews after Pain nearly killed Hinata to see if he'd kill her off back then...

Kishi has openly stated before that the relationships he developed were necessary for the story and that if he weren't so "bad" (his words) at writing females and relationships he might actually have tried to develop them more properly. He went on to say that he was always afraid of losing the "action" if he ever tried to go down a road he wasn't good at. Instead, he envisioned how the relationship would/should have developed if he'd actually written it whenever he suddenly throws it in for a panel.

He also said that he agrees with fans that Sakura and Hinata don't get enough chances to say how they feel and that he "hopes they get some good chances in before the end." (paraphrased) Keep in mind that was many years ago now.

I think this very much explains what he was doing with Sakura in the last chapter.


About Sasuke:+ Show Spoiler +

It's also worth noting that Sasuke is clearly still amused/flattered by her outbursts and didn't exactly treat her like he did Karin, if you know what I mean. Definitely a red flag that he does in fact give a shit about her.


About Sakura:+ Show Spoiler +

Team 7 formed when they were 12 years old, and now they're 17. At those ages, I also had a crush for an 8 year span who had showed a mutual interest in me that was veiled with aloofness, where my affection never waned, no matter what happened. I was angry, bitter, and very confused and didn't get to interact with her much as time went on, but if my crush had been Sasuke, I could very easily see myself acting like Sakura did. Is it rational or mature? Not in the slightest, but a strong love formed in childhood is a *very* hard thing to completely snuff out. Even to this day, if I were suddenly placed in a similarly stressful situation with my long gone crush where we hadn't seen each other in 10 years, I still wouldn't be surprised if I did a similar outburst either.

I very much identified with Sakura's outburst, so you might not like it, but don't go on about how unrealistic it is. Out of everything in Naruto, it has at least a flavor of legitness.


I'm not going to comment on your personal story but to say Sakura being in love with Sasuke is in any way "realistic" (as in her feelings are relatively common or normal, because no matter how stupid the behavior someone will have done or are doing it at some point) is pretty silly especially when you have the author admitting he basically stopped all developments because he isn't good at them. So when you have stuff like this randomly popup it seems highly out of place.
Never Knows Best.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
September 27 2014 17:45 GMT
#18904
this whole sasuke: "ima kill y'all now" needs more explanation...
:)
Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany460 Posts
September 27 2014 18:04 GMT
#18905
On September 28 2014 02:45 synapse wrote:
this whole sasuke: "ima kill y'all now" needs more explanation...


I think you will get that in the next chapters.
Dark Age of Camelot - I miss you
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
September 27 2014 22:51 GMT
#18906
On September 28 2014 02:25 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 19:11 yevoc wrote:
About Kishi:+ Show Spoiler +

I remember digging up some Kishi interviews after Pain nearly killed Hinata to see if he'd kill her off back then...

Kishi has openly stated before that the relationships he developed were necessary for the story and that if he weren't so "bad" (his words) at writing females and relationships he might actually have tried to develop them more properly. He went on to say that he was always afraid of losing the "action" if he ever tried to go down a road he wasn't good at. Instead, he envisioned how the relationship would/should have developed if he'd actually written it whenever he suddenly throws it in for a panel.

He also said that he agrees with fans that Sakura and Hinata don't get enough chances to say how they feel and that he "hopes they get some good chances in before the end." (paraphrased) Keep in mind that was many years ago now.

I think this very much explains what he was doing with Sakura in the last chapter.


About Sasuke:+ Show Spoiler +

It's also worth noting that Sasuke is clearly still amused/flattered by her outbursts and didn't exactly treat her like he did Karin, if you know what I mean. Definitely a red flag that he does in fact give a shit about her.


About Sakura:+ Show Spoiler +

Team 7 formed when they were 12 years old, and now they're 17. At those ages, I also had a crush for an 8 year span who had showed a mutual interest in me that was veiled with aloofness, where my affection never waned, no matter what happened. I was angry, bitter, and very confused and didn't get to interact with her much as time went on, but if my crush had been Sasuke, I could very easily see myself acting like Sakura did. Is it rational or mature? Not in the slightest, but a strong love formed in childhood is a *very* hard thing to completely snuff out. Even to this day, if I were suddenly placed in a similarly stressful situation with my long gone crush where we hadn't seen each other in 10 years, I still wouldn't be surprised if I did a similar outburst either.

I very much identified with Sakura's outburst, so you might not like it, but don't go on about how unrealistic it is. Out of everything in Naruto, it has at least a flavor of legitness.


I'm not going to comment on your personal story but to say Sakura being in love with Sasuke is in any way "realistic" (as in her feelings are relatively common or normal, because no matter how stupid the behavior someone will have done or are doing it at some point) is pretty silly especially when you have the author admitting he basically stopped all developments because he isn't good at them. So when you have stuff like this randomly popup it seems highly out of place.


Realistic for a yandere maybe.

On September 26 2014 13:55 BigFan wrote:
hmm on one hand, it feels like you clearly dismissed the pairing (want Hinata for yourself huh? ) but on the other, you are only looking out for her development and we both see eye to eye on her being our type of girl therefore after further thought, I would like to invite you to join the Naruto x Hinata shipping group. You'll be guaranteed to hear about any and all things Hinata as well as be involved in engaging arguments for the pair. It is your sworn duty to uphold and defend this shipping till death do them apart! Do you accept this valuable opportunity?


NOPE

Gimme character development, an actual back-and-forth that doesn't cast Naruto as the pure hero, and some actual sensitivity on his part, then I'll reconsider.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
GGitsJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand426 Posts
September 28 2014 12:55 GMT
#18907
I feel like I've lost most of the emotional attachment to Naruto and only read it for the sake of knowing what's going to happen every week
"A reason becomes an excuse if you don't do anything about it."
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50607 Posts
September 28 2014 13:25 GMT
#18908
On September 28 2014 21:55 GGitsJack wrote:
I feel like I've lost most of the emotional attachment to Naruto and only read it for the sake of knowing what's going to happen every week


I'd say its the same for many of us here.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 28 2014 14:42 GMT
#18909
On September 26 2014 19:51 Mataza wrote:
Shipping community? Really?
Well, to be fair, Kishi has hinted at more romantic developments early on, then stopped developing anything more because Rasengan.

lol well, I've been to Naruto forums before and yes, at one point, there was a decent amount of shipping wars (in specific threads/areas). Dunno if its the case now but every little thing that 'could' be something was argued as being major for one pairing in turn decreasing the other pairing's chance of happening. Fun stuff!

On September 28 2014 07:51 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 13:55 BigFan wrote:
hmm on one hand, it feels like you clearly dismissed the pairing (want Hinata for yourself huh? ) but on the other, you are only looking out for her development and we both see eye to eye on her being our type of girl therefore after further thought, I would like to invite you to join the Naruto x Hinata shipping group. You'll be guaranteed to hear about any and all things Hinata as well as be involved in engaging arguments for the pair. It is your sworn duty to uphold and defend this shipping till death do them apart! Do you accept this valuable opportunity?


NOPE

Gimme character development, an actual back-and-forth that doesn't cast Naruto as the pure hero, and some actual sensitivity on his part, then I'll reconsider.

:O You dare decline such an offer? One day you will wake up and realize you made a grave mistake!

I'm sorry but you must speak with Kishi about that. I can only do so much
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-28 21:11:58
September 28 2014 21:09 GMT
#18910
On September 26 2014 13:09 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 13:02 Forikorder wrote:
On September 26 2014 12:46 Sermokala wrote:
Its pathetic that SAO can do more relationship development in 10-12 eps then nartuto has done in 300.

its almost like Naruto isnt a romance -.-

....Neither is SAO.....
Sure, they both have varying levels of romance elements, but that doesn't make them romance. It's like saying Mario games are romance because he's saving his girlfriend.
Not that the comparison itself wasn't stupid to begin with.

The Aincrad arc was very much a romance, the others to a lesser degree. Sure, the premise of the online death game is cool and all, but everything about the premise created tons of situations that intensified their relationship, you'd frankly have to be blind not to notice - + Show Spoiler +
blind and deaf, actually, the voice acting is goddamn amazing+ Show Spoiler +
and when Kirito beat the game and the world was falling apart, the last scene is Asuna and Kirito alone in the clouds, facing what for all they know is their final moment together, hello


Whether or not something is a romance, as we'd call it, has little to do with the message of boy meets girl, they get together, blah blah blah, it's much more to do with the details, how their story is told, and what emotions are put into it, which is the big difference between something like SAO, and a typical Shounen.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18570 Posts
September 28 2014 21:20 GMT
#18911
On September 26 2014 22:39 riotjune wrote:
Shonens are like the last place you'd look for romance, cause the mangakas are virgins.

Got the h dojinshi's for that, and they do it way better. Might as well pretend they're canon *shrug


pretty sure Oda is married? ^^
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
September 28 2014 21:40 GMT
#18912
On September 29 2014 06:09 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 13:09 Dark_Chill wrote:
On September 26 2014 13:02 Forikorder wrote:
On September 26 2014 12:46 Sermokala wrote:
Its pathetic that SAO can do more relationship development in 10-12 eps then nartuto has done in 300.

its almost like Naruto isnt a romance -.-

....Neither is SAO.....
Sure, they both have varying levels of romance elements, but that doesn't make them romance. It's like saying Mario games are romance because he's saving his girlfriend.
Not that the comparison itself wasn't stupid to begin with.

The Aincrad arc was very much a romance, the others to a lesser degree. Sure, the premise of the online death game is cool and all, but everything about the premise created tons of situations that intensified their relationship, you'd frankly have to be blind not to notice - + Show Spoiler +
blind and deaf, actually, the voice acting is goddamn amazing+ Show Spoiler +
and when Kirito beat the game and the world was falling apart, the last scene is Asuna and Kirito alone in the clouds, facing what for all they know is their final moment together, hello


Whether or not something is a romance, as we'd call it, has little to do with the message of boy meets girl, they get together, blah blah blah, it's much more to do with the details, how their story is told, and what emotions are put into it, which is the big difference between something like SAO, and a typical Shounen.

No, it was not a romance. Clannad was a romance. Kenichi was not a romance. Watashi nii XX Shinasai is a romance.
A romance has the main focus be romance. The point of the story is the romantic relationship between characters. To find out if something is a romance, you look at the plot. SAO was about people being trapped in an MMO and fighting to get out of it. Notice that the word romance isn't in there? Kenichi was about a boy with no talent going through the martial arts world protecting the things important to him. It doesn't matter if him and Miu have chemistry between them, or that they end up together, because that's not the main focus.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14092 Posts
September 28 2014 21:47 GMT
#18913
but the point is that the story doesn't have to be about romance to justify a half decent romance story in it.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 29 2014 00:55 GMT
#18914
On September 29 2014 06:40 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2014 06:09 NewSunshine wrote:
On September 26 2014 13:09 Dark_Chill wrote:
On September 26 2014 13:02 Forikorder wrote:
On September 26 2014 12:46 Sermokala wrote:
Its pathetic that SAO can do more relationship development in 10-12 eps then nartuto has done in 300.

its almost like Naruto isnt a romance -.-

....Neither is SAO.....
Sure, they both have varying levels of romance elements, but that doesn't make them romance. It's like saying Mario games are romance because he's saving his girlfriend.
Not that the comparison itself wasn't stupid to begin with.

The Aincrad arc was very much a romance, the others to a lesser degree. Sure, the premise of the online death game is cool and all, but everything about the premise created tons of situations that intensified their relationship, you'd frankly have to be blind not to notice - + Show Spoiler +
blind and deaf, actually, the voice acting is goddamn amazing+ Show Spoiler +
and when Kirito beat the game and the world was falling apart, the last scene is Asuna and Kirito alone in the clouds, facing what for all they know is their final moment together, hello


Whether or not something is a romance, as we'd call it, has little to do with the message of boy meets girl, they get together, blah blah blah, it's much more to do with the details, how their story is told, and what emotions are put into it, which is the big difference between something like SAO, and a typical Shounen.

+ Show Spoiler +
No, it was not a romance. Clannad was a romance. Kenichi was not a romance. Watashi nii XX Shinasai is a romance.
A romance has the main focus be romance. The point of the story is the romantic relationship between characters. To find out if something is a romance, you look at the plot. SAO was about people being trapped in an MMO and fighting to get out of it. Notice that the word romance isn't in there? Kenichi was about a boy with no talent going through the martial arts world protecting the things important to him. It doesn't matter if him and Miu have chemistry between them, or that they end up together, because that's not the main focus.

Them fighting to beat the game is the surface plot, his relationship with Asuna is actually a huge focus, and the reason the entire Alfheim arc is a thing. So yeah, I'm sticking with it.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 29 2014 02:13 GMT
#18915
I wouldn't say SAO is a romance tbh since as Dark_Chill mentioned, Kirito's relationship with Asuna was important but the main focus was getting out of the game. It's true that the Alfheim arc happened due to that relationship but that's also still the whole inside a game, need to escape concept. Is there some light romance? well, they did get married and did some romancy things but it's not a true romance (as in focused only on that, my own definition lol).
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
September 29 2014 02:39 GMT
#18916
On September 29 2014 06:40 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2014 06:09 NewSunshine wrote:
On September 26 2014 13:09 Dark_Chill wrote:
On September 26 2014 13:02 Forikorder wrote:
On September 26 2014 12:46 Sermokala wrote:
Its pathetic that SAO can do more relationship development in 10-12 eps then nartuto has done in 300.

its almost like Naruto isnt a romance -.-

....Neither is SAO.....
Sure, they both have varying levels of romance elements, but that doesn't make them romance. It's like saying Mario games are romance because he's saving his girlfriend.
Not that the comparison itself wasn't stupid to begin with.

The Aincrad arc was very much a romance, the others to a lesser degree. Sure, the premise of the online death game is cool and all, but everything about the premise created tons of situations that intensified their relationship, you'd frankly have to be blind not to notice - + Show Spoiler +
blind and deaf, actually, the voice acting is goddamn amazing+ Show Spoiler +
and when Kirito beat the game and the world was falling apart, the last scene is Asuna and Kirito alone in the clouds, facing what for all they know is their final moment together, hello


Whether or not something is a romance, as we'd call it, has little to do with the message of boy meets girl, they get together, blah blah blah, it's much more to do with the details, how their story is told, and what emotions are put into it, which is the big difference between something like SAO, and a typical Shounen.

No, it was not a romance. Clannad was a romance. Kenichi was not a romance. Watashi nii XX Shinasai is a romance.
A romance has the main focus be romance. The point of the story is the romantic relationship between characters. To find out if something is a romance, you look at the plot. SAO was about people being trapped in an MMO and fighting to get out of it. Notice that the word romance isn't in there? Kenichi was about a boy with no talent going through the martial arts world protecting the things important to him. It doesn't matter if him and Miu have chemistry between them, or that they end up together, because that's not the main focus.

nothing fits in one genre you can say that X manga is Y genre but it could also fit under other genres too

Kenichi was an action manga it was also a gag and romance because very few manga fir uinder only one title

Naruto had pretty much literally 0 romance it had the bare minimum amount fo romance for a manga that had characters of both sex present
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 29 2014 03:07 GMT
#18917
On September 29 2014 11:13 BigFan wrote:
I wouldn't say SAO is a romance tbh since as Dark_Chill mentioned, Kirito's relationship with Asuna was important but the main focus was getting out of the game. It's true that the Alfheim arc happened due to that relationship but that's also still the whole inside a game, need to escape concept. Is there some light romance? well, they did get married and did some romancy things but it's not a true romance (as in focused only on that, my own definition lol).

I would say it had equal focus on both. You can say it's romance or action, because it's really both. A story about a death game could easily be straight action with little attention paid to anything else, but the author uses that premise to tell a strong romantic story too. GGO drifts more fully into the action space though.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-02 10:19:26
September 29 2014 12:23 GMT
#18918
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/694
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-02 10:42:28
October 02 2014 10:39 GMT
#18919
i thought it was pretty good. Even though it's the beginning all over again.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 02 2014 10:54 GMT
#18920
Sasuke is such a moron.
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