EPT[Manga] Naruto - Page 948
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BurningSera
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Hyperbola
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sharkie
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Things need to change | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
obvious a world based on mercenary violence is going to be evil but then you don't have all the cool fighting naruto being the dumb cunt he is still has the right of things with cooperation and empathy and learning from those before you is the way we've advanced civilization. | ||
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Archeon
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On October 03 2014 03:27 sharkie wrote: I like Sasuke's POV actually. Things need to change I agree, I think he has a point. I dont get why the beasts have to die for it though, because they never had anything to do with his past, nor with the village system. So the motivation for the fight is actually non-existent, aside from that "a hokage needs to be heartless to do the right thing"-reasoning. I guess you could say that they create another point of hate though, a distraction from the hokage. On October 03 2014 03:45 Slayer91 wrote: yeah but sasukes way of doing that is so fucking retarded obvious a world based on mercenary violence is going to be evil but then you don't have all the cool fighting naruto being the dumb cunt he is still has the right of things with cooperation and empathy and learning from those before you is the way we've advanced civilization. I think our civilization advanced because people were trying to be more powerful or more lazy. I fail to recall a single major historic event that had any lasting influence and anything to do with empathy. | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
I have a vague definition of what he's trying to accomplish, but don't see how it is more reasonable than anything Naruto would try for considering everything that has transpired. Nor do I think a good empathetic hokage could not make tough decisions either. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On October 03 2014 04:17 Blackfeather wrote: I think our civilization advanced because people were trying to be more powerful or more lazy. I fail to recall a single major historic event that had any lasting influence and anything to do with empathy. Off the top of my head I can name the Code of Hammurabi, the (alleged) life and teachings of Jesus Christ, the life and teachings of the Buddha, Nero exempting Greece from tribute in 67 A.D., and the passing of the G.I. bill, | ||
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Archeon
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On October 03 2014 05:01 SK.Testie wrote: I definitely do not see Sasuke's point considering all that has been displayed. Nor does his scenario seem remotely likely or believable to happen. What would he do, go to Konoha full of everyone that dislikes him and somehow become ruler through strength? I have a vague definition of what he's trying to accomplish, but don't see how it is more reasonable than anything Naruto would try for considering everything that has transpired. Nor do I think a good empathetic hokage could not make tough decisions either. Well first things first Naruto doesnt even have a plan. Second i doubt that hokage is the thing, i think Sasuke wants to be a new god or something, passing judgment etc and ruling over everybody, not just Konoha. And yes, definitely through strength, because he doesnt care about how he does things, he wants to do the right things, no matter the methods. He wants to be the new Danzo just for everyone and for everyone visible, so they can growl at him instead of waging wars. So yes, it would work and yes, it would unite the ninja world (either under his rule or against him) and yes, it would save a lot of people in the long run depending on his decisions. It just isnt very nice. Also the third hokage has shown that a good and empathetic Hokage can have difficulties making though decisions. A cold and rational person is less likely to make a bad call. On October 03 2014 05:22 CosmicSpiral wrote: Sasuke's gone full Mussolini. Off the top of my head I can name the Code of Hammurabi, the (alleged) life and teachings of Jesus Christ, the life and teachings of the Buddha, Nero exempting Greece from tribute in 67 A.D., and the passing of the G.I. bill, Jesus and Buddha's teaching both brought them massive influence at the time, not accusing them that it was the purpose, just pointing out that it had its pros (and cons in Jesus case). I always failed to understand where itinerant preachers got their ideas from and why the heck they are even doing this. I have to admit though that their teachings include a lot of empathy and their influence was lasting. Funny that religion wins that race. I am not that well informed about the code of Hammurabi, but creating a legal text usually is done to keep the revolts at a minimum. Wikipedia (not the best source, i know) also suggests that it's purpose was self-glorification and self-justification of Hammurabi. It has been done before and was done afterwards, what makes this one a lasting act of empathy? You will have to give me the details of Nero exempting Greece from tribute, I had a hard time finding something about it. From what i read the relations between Rome and Greece were so bad at his time that Nero freed it in order to avoid a rebellion. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
His way is very backwards especially since discussing executions that he would judge. No one would vote for this piece of shit so he needs an army. Who is to follow him? Seems like his way is the quickest path to civil war if there are those that follow him through strength. And again, considering everything that transpired, it doesn't seem like he'd connect with the hearts of the majority. So he'd be a minority because Naruto has already influenced people for the better. Which is why I can't follow his logic and don't think it makes sense on any rational level. He really has basically learned nothing. The best way to become hokage definitely isn't through killing the main hero of the land that everybody loves and respects and then saying, "this was the best way to maintain peace". I'd be amazed if the army didn't gang rape him on the spot. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 03 2014 05:30 Blackfeather wrote: Well first things first Naruto doesnt even have a plan. Second i doubt that hokage is the thing, i think Sasuke wants to be a new god or something, passing judgment etc and ruling over everybody, not just Konoha. And yes, definitely through strength, because he doesnt care about how he does things, he wants to do the right things, no matter the methods. He wants to be the new Danzo just for everyone and for everyone visible, so they can growl at him instead of waging wars. So yes, it would work and yes, it would unite the ninja world (either under his rule or against him) and yes, it would save a lot of people in the long run depending on his decisions. It just isnt very nice. Also the third hokage has shown that a good and empathetic Hokage can have difficulties making though decisions. A cold and rational person is less likely to make a bad call. That's assuming that the cold and rational person can act like a benevolent deity, which is a very bad assumption. It never happens. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
This story should be renamed: Itachi - How I gave up my life to protect the world but for no reason because my brother is a retard. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
I don't at all mind his plan, and in theory if you had enough power it could turn out to be pretty good. | ||
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SK.Testie
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Fi0na
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On October 03 2014 05:53 Kazeyonoma wrote: This story should be renamed: Itachi - How I gave up my life to protect the world but for no reason because my brother is a retard. Itachis way was kinda retarded too though: - To protect the village I become a traitor to my own family and kill them - The village among other things exists to protect my family If you follow Itachis logic then the woman boss they just fought was right. The best way to prevent any harm to all people is to kill all people | ||
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Zeo1990
United States132 Posts
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Archeon
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On October 03 2014 05:40 SK.Testie wrote: How the hell would it work if he's going to be assassinated because so many people hate him? How the hell would he ever walk through his own village? Who the hell would carry out his orders? The way he does things would bring strife, there's no way it would work unless you pretend he's a god. But he has to sleep some time, eventually someone would kill him or he'd kill so many people he'd definitely incite more hatred. His way is very backwards especially since discussing executions that he would judge. No one would vote for this piece of shit so he needs an army. Who is to follow him? Seems like his way is the quickest path to civil war if there are those that follow him through strength. And again, considering everything that transpired, it doesn't seem like he'd connect with the hearts of the majority. So he'd be a minority because Naruto has already influenced people for the better. Which is why I can't follow his logic and don't think it makes sense on any rational level. He really has basically learned nothing. The best way to become hokage definitely isn't through killing the main hero of the land that everybody loves and respects and then saying, "this was the best way to maintain peace". I'd be amazed if the army didn't gang rape him on the spot. Sasuke is pretty close to being a god in comparison to average fodder. I guess sleep would be a problem, but i doubt Sasuke thinks that far yet. He also doesnt need an army. He's stronger than pain and pain was more than enough for Konoha. If he killed Naruto, I doubt that the entire shinobi alliance could take him on, especially after the death of the kages. He still has the beasts. Any hatred he incites is supposed to be directed towards him. That's part of the idea, a killer killing more than one killer reduces the amount of people who are hated and the number of conflicts. Sasuke also doesnt need the support of the people, he rules through power. By killing Naruto he shows that he has the power to do what he wants to. On a side note: I think Rinnegan creates god-complexes. That whole passing judgment stuff seems awfully familiar. On October 03 2014 05:42 andrewlt wrote: That's assuming that the cold and rational person can act like a benevolent deity, which is a very bad assumption. It never happens. Yeah, in the end all plans fall to men's thirst for power. Doesnt mean the plan was inherently bad, often the plans overall fail but still some parts work out. Look at Robbespierre for example. The plan wasnt terrible, but failed because a certain party didnt want to share their power anymore. Still in the end despite the giant bloodbath that they caused and despite Napoleon taking half of the advancements away again I'd still say that it was totally worth it. On October 03 2014 05:53 Kazeyonoma wrote: it's not like every tough decision can be unanimously made with cold and rational reasoning and have the best outcome. sometimes doing the irrational thing is the right outcome. at least with naruto he'd probably just ask others for guidance or put it up to vote. Sasuke's way is both retarded and goes against everything his brother sacrificed his life for. This story should be renamed: Itachi - How I gave up my life to protect the world but for no reason because my brother is a retard. Not always better is no reason to change it if the alternative is worse on average. Emotions have their benefits, but they wont make a plan work better or a judgment more just. Justitia is blind for a reason. | ||
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