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On March 25 2014 02:19 Alaric wrote:
Sharingan already exhausting him fast, if he used the gates casually he'd spend most of his time in recovery.
Or Kishimoto simply forgot about it.
Sort of like how Kishi forgot about the thousand other techniques he supposedly knows(copied), so fair point. Still, not having the stamina to 6 gate every fight like Gai doesn't mean opening 1 or 2 would be terrible and it would go quite well with lightning techniques. It seems like a temporary power spike would ESPECIALLY benefit someone with low stamina, even if the consequence is more rest time.
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On March 25 2014 05:30 Azuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 02:19 Alaric wrote:
Sharingan already exhausting him fast, if he used the gates casually he'd spend most of his time in recovery.
Or Kishimoto simply forgot about it. Sort of like how Kishi forgot about the thousand other techniques he supposedly knows(copied), so fair point. Still, not having the stamina to 6 gate every fight like Gai doesn't mean opening 1 or 2 would be terrible and it would go quite well with lightning techniques. It seems like a temporary power spike would ESPECIALLY benefit someone with low stamina, even if the consequence is more rest time.
its just 999 of those techniques arent worth using the manga went in a different direction where instead of ninjas using large amounts of techniques they perfect a single one
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It would have been considerably cooler to see a broader range of techniques for various situations, though. Kakashi and the 3rd Hokage particularly are people who should have a large well of techniques to tap into, and so far it hasn't lived up to that. I also just wish Naruto knew more than just every single version of the Rasengan, there's an argument to be made for a protagonist who isn't just a 1-trick horse, like being interesting.
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Yea, it definitely did go in a different direction. Spamming lightning and black holes is so much easier to write than coming up with inventive fight sequences and character progression. Not that his fights have been bad or anything, I just thought his initially claimed forte was unique and interesting and deserved to expounded upon.
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On March 25 2014 06:03 NewSunshine wrote:
It would have been considerably cooler to see a broader range of techniques for various situations, though. Kakashi and the 3rd Hokage particularly are people who should have a large well of techniques to tap into, and so far it hasn't lived up to that. I also just wish Naruto knew more than just every single version of the Rasengan, there's an argument to be made for a protagonist who isn't just a 1-trick horse, like being interesting.
having main character being a one trick pony is pretty common though
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On March 25 2014 06:10 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:03 NewSunshine wrote:
It would have been considerably cooler to see a broader range of techniques for various situations, though. Kakashi and the 3rd Hokage particularly are people who should have a large well of techniques to tap into, and so far it hasn't lived up to that. I also just wish Naruto knew more than just every single version of the Rasengan, there's an argument to be made for a protagonist who isn't just a 1-trick horse, like being interesting. having main character being a one trick pony is pretty common though
all the more reason to change from the status quo imo.
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every character in this and nearly every manga is a one trick pony
they all have a few key abilities
its like calling a dota character a 1 trick pony
if you have too many abilities nobody is unique and strategy becomes too convoluted, you can only imagine scenarios with a few abilities each or it becomes massively complex computationally
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On March 25 2014 09:17 Slayer91 wrote:
every character in this and nearly every manga is a one trick pony
they all have a few key abilities
its like calling a dota character a 1 trick pony
if you have too many abilities nobody is unique and strategy becomes too convoluted, you can only imagine scenarios with a few abilities each or it becomes massively complex computationally
I think the point was that you don't need 20 or so moves per ninja but having the main ones have something like 5-10 different ones and not variations would mean that you can combine them in different combos and with other ninjas and such. I don't think there's anything wrong with that and would rather Kishi went that route with Naruto. Having an ability that you rely on is good but spamming it to the point of obnoxiousness is annoying XD
ps for the record, I don't care as much if Naruto has one ability that he uses a lot but think different abilities would make for a much more enjoyable experience 
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Think of how chaotic a lol/dota teamfight is, thats 5 vs 5 with 4 abilities each and its chaotic far beyond anyone to decide what the optimal play is
mangaka hae to draw everything, the best they can do is a laning phase with 4 abilities each
5-10 different abilities would be an INSANE amount of permutations
every fight would be just like
"well this guy could used X ability and Y ability then and would won unless the other ninja used blah blah...."
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On March 25 2014 09:34 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 09:17 Slayer91 wrote:
every character in this and nearly every manga is a one trick pony
they all have a few key abilities
its like calling a dota character a 1 trick pony
if you have too many abilities nobody is unique and strategy becomes too convoluted, you can only imagine scenarios with a few abilities each or it becomes massively complex computationally I think the point was that you don't need 20 or so moves per ninja but having the main ones have something like 5-10 different ones and not variations would mean that you can combine them in different combos and with other ninjas and such. I don't think there's anything wrong with that and would rather Kishi went that route with Naruto. Having an ability that you rely on is good but spamming it to the point of obnoxiousness is annoying XD ps for the record, I don't care as much if Naruto has one ability that he uses a lot but think different abilities would make for a much more enjoyable experience
thats alot of abilities though, the 4 hokages, the 3 sannin madara and Hashi, the 4 other kages e.t.c
therd jsut be soooo many abilities by the end
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I don't even really mind Naruto having only a couple abilities. We know why he has those abilities, and roughly why he doesn't have a whole lot more because we've followed his entire career. So it makes sense in the story being told. It's the character Kishi claimed could copy any technique after seeing it just once that I would expect to have a lot of variety. Just think of the character development opportunities of him overcoming challenges using something he copied from an earlier opponent (instead of loleyeblackholejutsu), think shikimaru fights.
To be fair, there are characters with reasonable variety: Orochimaru, Jiraiya, and even Sasuke.
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Its more realistic to have people perfecting techniques and specializing. It happens in everything in the real world, so while it may be interesting to see a million tech its not really feasible. Every ninja has their own thing and that adds to the diversity of tech. Its just that currently 99.9% of all tech is useless right now because Kishi hasn't really evolved a way to make every tech viable at a high level. Its part of the reason why most of the side characters dropped off the map.
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If you think about it, the only non-sharingan, non-bijuu, not-dead person that can compete at the highest level is Gai.
Probably because he has a suicide jutsu, which is enough of a drawback to justify the powerup.
Also do you remember when the Byakugan was relevant as an eye technique? Me neither.
I think it was in the Sasuke retrieval arc.
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On March 25 2014 10:47 Slaughter wrote:
Its more realistic to have people perfecting techniques and specializing. It happens in everything in the real world, so while it may be interesting to see a million tech its not really feasible. Every ninja has their own thing and that adds to the diversity of tech. Its just that currently 99.9% of all tech is useless right now because Kishi hasn't really evolved a way to make every tech viable at a high level. Its part of the reason why most of the side characters dropped off the map.
I'm not saying I want a million techniques, just more than we currently see. At this point if you can figure out what a character's going to do, you can pretty much name exactly how they'll do it, this is mostly a fight scene thing. With more moves it gets more interesting, you can see combos - Like Obito's Kamui + fireball technique which I thought kicked ass - and different things used as reactions to basic attacks. There was no shortage of variety earlier in the series, the reason is probably that Kishi is running out of steam to do that at this point, viability is a silly reason - plot armor is what it is for a reason. Characters dropping off the map has more to do with the narrative than the strength of their techniques, the writing could have been better there.
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On March 25 2014 12:49 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 10:47 Slaughter wrote:
Its more realistic to have people perfecting techniques and specializing. It happens in everything in the real world, so while it may be interesting to see a million tech its not really feasible. Every ninja has their own thing and that adds to the diversity of tech. Its just that currently 99.9% of all tech is useless right now because Kishi hasn't really evolved a way to make every tech viable at a high level. Its part of the reason why most of the side characters dropped off the map. I'm not saying I want a million techniques, just more than we currently see. At this point if you can figure out what a character's going to do, you can pretty much name exactly how they'll do it, this is mostly a fight scene thing. With more moves it gets more interesting, you can see combos - Like Obito's Kamui + fireball technique which I thought kicked ass - and different things used as reactions to basic attacks. There was no shortage of variety earlier in the series, the reason is probably that Kishi is running out of steam to do that at this point, viability is a silly reason - plot armor is what it is for a reason. Characters dropping off the map has more to do with the narrative than the strength of their techniques, the writing could have been better there.
well its hard to make interesting fun techniques like they were at start of naruto cause now they all went Dragon Ball level theres really no point but to spam your OP technique until you win
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On March 25 2014 09:49 Slayer91 wrote:
Think of how chaotic a lol/dota teamfight is, thats 5 vs 5 with 4 abilities each and its chaotic far beyond anyone to decide what the optimal play is
mangaka hae to draw everything, the best they can do is a laning phase with 4 abilities each
5-10 different abilities would be an INSANE amount of permutations
every fight would be just like
"well this guy could used X ability and Y ability then and would won unless the other ninja used blah blah...."
thing is, it's not like each person has to have 5 unique abilities. There can be some overlap between characters. Something like we just had with Gai, Kakashi, the 4th and Lee working together is what I have in mind but using more than the same technique they are known for(like 4-5). I know it gets hard to do, just saying it would make the fights and such more interesting than just who can spam their best tech or so .
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On March 26 2014 01:36 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 09:49 Slayer91 wrote:
Think of how chaotic a lol/dota teamfight is, thats 5 vs 5 with 4 abilities each and its chaotic far beyond anyone to decide what the optimal play is
mangaka hae to draw everything, the best they can do is a laning phase with 4 abilities each
5-10 different abilities would be an INSANE amount of permutations
every fight would be just like
"well this guy could used X ability and Y ability then and would won unless the other ninja used blah blah...." thing is, it's not like each person has to have 5 unique abilities. There can be some overlap between characters. Something like we just had with Gai, Kakashi, the 4th and Lee working together is what I have in mind but using more than the same technique they are known for(like 4-5). I know it gets hard to do, just saying it would make the fights and such more interesting than just who can spam their best tech or so .
i think its more interesting to see someone have one technique and be creative with it then a dozen techniques for every scenario
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there's no hope though. if they 'shared' the ability too much everyone here would complain that the ability is too easy to learn and everyone has it. too few people have an ability and it's OP or 'specialized' which is what we have now. just also keep in mind that the mangaka has to come up with these abilities in his head, plan them for execution in a fight, WHILE making sure he doesn't leave it too open for abuse which later will bite him in the ass. on top of that, draw it all, and within a certain time frame, and you easily can see how everyone can't have 5-10 abilities of their own. Even if you had 3 uniques, and 2 shared, across 10 or so characters, you're breaching 35-50 abilities and that's just with these 10 chars. and good luck coming up with abilities that are actually useful.
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^ well, I never said it was easy, just that it would make for a better Naruto, that's all. I don't mind where Naruto is atm since I've gotten used to it but with the manpower Kishi must have, I don't see how it can be that difficult to have one or two person completely dedicated to that stuff if he wants to take Naruto to the next level.
On March 26 2014 01:38 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 01:36 BigFan wrote:On March 25 2014 09:49 Slayer91 wrote:
Think of how chaotic a lol/dota teamfight is, thats 5 vs 5 with 4 abilities each and its chaotic far beyond anyone to decide what the optimal play is
mangaka hae to draw everything, the best they can do is a laning phase with 4 abilities each
5-10 different abilities would be an INSANE amount of permutations
every fight would be just like
"well this guy could used X ability and Y ability then and would won unless the other ninja used blah blah...." thing is, it's not like each person has to have 5 unique abilities. There can be some overlap between characters. Something like we just had with Gai, Kakashi, the 4th and Lee working together is what I have in mind but using more than the same technique they are known for(like 4-5). I know it gets hard to do, just saying it would make the fights and such more interesting than just who can spam their best tech or so . i think its more interesting to see someone have one technique and be creative with it then a dozen techniques for every scenario
but there's not much creativity with Rasengan XD Maybe chidori is better for creativity since we see all the variants but small Rasengan, big Rasengan, it's all the same! lol. ya, I realize he has raseshrunken(or w/e its called), still though.
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I read last 15 chapters and now im sure that it's going to be NarutoxSakura and SasukexKarin :<
so sad for Hinata.
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