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On March 21 2014 12:35 NewSunshine wrote: Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs* he tried to kill Tsunade and she survived (and i dont mean the TPK at the end) and he tried to kill the old man
he was seriously trying to kill them and it took him time hes not an all-powerful god
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On March 21 2014 12:36 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 12:35 NewSunshine wrote: Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs* he tried to kill Tsunade and she survived (and i dont mean the TPK at the end) and he tried to kill the old man he was seriously trying to kill them and it took him time hes not an all-powerful god Well, if by try you mean did a thing, then yes he tried. He could have summoned Susano'o again, or another meteor, or use a giant fireball, or any one of the 4 giant Wood Style techniques to finish the job, they were in pieces when he left to join Obito. I don't know where you got the impression that they put a strain on him.
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Why isn't he using the push/pull thing doe
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On March 21 2014 12:45 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 12:35 NewSunshine wrote: Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs* he tried to kill Tsunade and she survived (and i dont mean the TPK at the end) and he tried to kill the old man he was seriously trying to kill them and it took him time hes not an all-powerful god Well, if by try you mean did a thing, then yes he tried. He could have summoned Susano'o again, or another meteor, or use a giant fireball, or any one of the 4 giant Wood Style techniques to finish the job, they were in pieces when he left to join Obito. I don't know where you got the impression that they put a strain on him. I agree with this and his previous post. Madara was toying with them because he didn't think they are worthy of fighting him and for good reason. They are rather weak lol. I'm not sure why he didn't completely finish them off though. Maybe he figured that's it for some so no point in wasting time on them any longer.
On March 21 2014 13:24 Dark_Chill wrote: Why isn't he using the push/pull thing doe it's either plot convenience (quite possible), he doesn't know it (hard to tell) or he needs two rinnegans (no evidence for this).
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On March 21 2014 13:33 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 12:45 NewSunshine wrote:On March 21 2014 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 12:35 NewSunshine wrote: Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs* he tried to kill Tsunade and she survived (and i dont mean the TPK at the end) and he tried to kill the old man he was seriously trying to kill them and it took him time hes not an all-powerful god Well, if by try you mean did a thing, then yes he tried. He could have summoned Susano'o again, or another meteor, or use a giant fireball, or any one of the 4 giant Wood Style techniques to finish the job, they were in pieces when he left to join Obito. I don't know where you got the impression that they put a strain on him. I agree with this and his previous post. Madara was toying with them because he didn't think they are worthy of fighting him and for good reason. They are rather weak lol. I'm not sure why he didn't completely finish them off though. Maybe he figured that's it for some so no point in wasting time on them any longer. Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 13:24 Dark_Chill wrote: Why isn't he using the push/pull thing doe it's either plot convenience (quite possible), he doesn't know it (hard to tell) or he needs two rinnegans (no evidence for this). No evidence, but suggestion. Madara refrained from using Limbo (the technique he used to throw the tailed beasts around) on Obito because he wanted the left eye to remain intact, and I would guess that's for a reason. Given that Obito is probably in his final moments, Madara might just get that eye back, so we'll see I guess. But considering that the technique he decided not to use is a scaled-up version of the Shinra Tensei, it's probably for some other reason.
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On March 21 2014 12:45 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 12:35 NewSunshine wrote: Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs* he tried to kill Tsunade and she survived (and i dont mean the TPK at the end) and he tried to kill the old man he was seriously trying to kill them and it took him time hes not an all-powerful god Well, if by try you mean did a thing, then yes he tried. He could have summoned Susano'o again, or another meteor, or use a giant fireball, or any one of the 4 giant Wood Style techniques to finish the job, they were in pieces when he left to join Obito. I don't know where you got the impression that they put a strain on him. the Kages survived the meteor before why would summonign more make any difference?
Madara was seriously trying to kill them, he may not have been going fully all out but he wasnt pulling punchs
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On March 21 2014 13:37 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 13:33 BigFan wrote:On March 21 2014 12:45 NewSunshine wrote:On March 21 2014 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 12:35 NewSunshine wrote: Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs* he tried to kill Tsunade and she survived (and i dont mean the TPK at the end) and he tried to kill the old man he was seriously trying to kill them and it took him time hes not an all-powerful god Well, if by try you mean did a thing, then yes he tried. He could have summoned Susano'o again, or another meteor, or use a giant fireball, or any one of the 4 giant Wood Style techniques to finish the job, they were in pieces when he left to join Obito. I don't know where you got the impression that they put a strain on him. I agree with this and his previous post. Madara was toying with them because he didn't think they are worthy of fighting him and for good reason. They are rather weak lol. I'm not sure why he didn't completely finish them off though. Maybe he figured that's it for some so no point in wasting time on them any longer. On March 21 2014 13:24 Dark_Chill wrote: Why isn't he using the push/pull thing doe it's either plot convenience (quite possible), he doesn't know it (hard to tell) or he needs two rinnegans (no evidence for this). No evidence, but suggestion. Madara refrained from using Limbo (the technique he used to throw the tailed beasts around) on Obito because he wanted the left eye to remain intact, and I would guess that's for a reason. Given that Obito is probably in his final moments, Madara might just get that eye back, so we'll see I guess. But considering that the technique he decided not to use is a scaled-up version of the Shinra Tensei, it's probably for some other reason. actually, what I wrote was mostly referring to using it on Kakashi, the 4th, gaara etc... and less so on Obito although I agree that maybe he didn't use it because he wanted to keep the eye intact.
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On March 21 2014 13:50 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 13:37 NewSunshine wrote:On March 21 2014 13:33 BigFan wrote:On March 21 2014 12:45 NewSunshine wrote:On March 21 2014 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 12:35 NewSunshine wrote: Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs* he tried to kill Tsunade and she survived (and i dont mean the TPK at the end) and he tried to kill the old man he was seriously trying to kill them and it took him time hes not an all-powerful god Well, if by try you mean did a thing, then yes he tried. He could have summoned Susano'o again, or another meteor, or use a giant fireball, or any one of the 4 giant Wood Style techniques to finish the job, they were in pieces when he left to join Obito. I don't know where you got the impression that they put a strain on him. I agree with this and his previous post. Madara was toying with them because he didn't think they are worthy of fighting him and for good reason. They are rather weak lol. I'm not sure why he didn't completely finish them off though. Maybe he figured that's it for some so no point in wasting time on them any longer. On March 21 2014 13:24 Dark_Chill wrote: Why isn't he using the push/pull thing doe it's either plot convenience (quite possible), he doesn't know it (hard to tell) or he needs two rinnegans (no evidence for this). No evidence, but suggestion. Madara refrained from using Limbo (the technique he used to throw the tailed beasts around) on Obito because he wanted the left eye to remain intact, and I would guess that's for a reason. Given that Obito is probably in his final moments, Madara might just get that eye back, so we'll see I guess. But considering that the technique he decided not to use is a scaled-up version of the Shinra Tensei, it's probably for some other reason. actually, what I wrote was mostly referring to using it on Kakashi, the 4th, gaara etc... and less so on Obito although I agree that maybe he didn't use it because he wanted to keep the eye intact. the push/pull can be resisted so at this point maybe he thinks that Gai can overcome it and the black stuff is a better defensive option
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On March 21 2014 13:42 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 12:45 NewSunshine wrote:On March 21 2014 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 12:35 NewSunshine wrote: Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs* he tried to kill Tsunade and she survived (and i dont mean the TPK at the end) and he tried to kill the old man he was seriously trying to kill them and it took him time hes not an all-powerful god Well, if by try you mean did a thing, then yes he tried. He could have summoned Susano'o again, or another meteor, or use a giant fireball, or any one of the 4 giant Wood Style techniques to finish the job, they were in pieces when he left to join Obito. I don't know where you got the impression that they put a strain on him. the Kages survived the meteor before why would summonign more make any difference? Madara was seriously trying to kill them, he may not have been going fully all out but he wasnt pulling punchs Your second sentence makes no sense. And yeah, they held off the first meteor(barely), that's what the 2nd one was for. And when Madara left because he was done having fun, they were unconscious. Hard to stop a celestial body when you're unconscious. He wasn't seriously trying to kill them, or they'd be dead. Madara's the sort to be more interested in a worthy opponent who can dance with him on his level, plus killing people takes away from the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
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Wow you guys went ham on the posting while I was off being fat
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Well then stop being fat, for Christ's sake.
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On March 21 2014 14:16 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 13:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 12:45 NewSunshine wrote:On March 21 2014 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 12:35 NewSunshine wrote: Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs* he tried to kill Tsunade and she survived (and i dont mean the TPK at the end) and he tried to kill the old man he was seriously trying to kill them and it took him time hes not an all-powerful god Well, if by try you mean did a thing, then yes he tried. He could have summoned Susano'o again, or another meteor, or use a giant fireball, or any one of the 4 giant Wood Style techniques to finish the job, they were in pieces when he left to join Obito. I don't know where you got the impression that they put a strain on him. the Kages survived the meteor before why would summonign more make any difference? Madara was seriously trying to kill them, he may not have been going fully all out but he wasnt pulling punchs Your second sentence makes no sense. And yeah, they held off the first meteor(barely), that's what the 2nd one was for. And when Madara left because he was done having fun, they were unconscious. Hard to stop a celestial body when you're unconscious. He wasn't seriously trying to kill them, or they'd be dead. Madara's the sort to be more interested in a worthy opponent who can dance with him on his level, plus killing people takes away from the Infinite Tsukuyomi. they survived the second one too and Madara thought he had killed them
theres a long distance between pulling punchs and not going all out Gai going all out is 7-8 gates if he fights normally thats 1-6 gates pulling punchs would be not even pulling out his nunchaku
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On March 21 2014 14:11 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 13:50 BigFan wrote:On March 21 2014 13:37 NewSunshine wrote:On March 21 2014 13:33 BigFan wrote:On March 21 2014 12:45 NewSunshine wrote:On March 21 2014 12:36 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 12:35 NewSunshine wrote: Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs* he tried to kill Tsunade and she survived (and i dont mean the TPK at the end) and he tried to kill the old man he was seriously trying to kill them and it took him time hes not an all-powerful god Well, if by try you mean did a thing, then yes he tried. He could have summoned Susano'o again, or another meteor, or use a giant fireball, or any one of the 4 giant Wood Style techniques to finish the job, they were in pieces when he left to join Obito. I don't know where you got the impression that they put a strain on him. I agree with this and his previous post. Madara was toying with them because he didn't think they are worthy of fighting him and for good reason. They are rather weak lol. I'm not sure why he didn't completely finish them off though. Maybe he figured that's it for some so no point in wasting time on them any longer. On March 21 2014 13:24 Dark_Chill wrote: Why isn't he using the push/pull thing doe it's either plot convenience (quite possible), he doesn't know it (hard to tell) or he needs two rinnegans (no evidence for this). No evidence, but suggestion. Madara refrained from using Limbo (the technique he used to throw the tailed beasts around) on Obito because he wanted the left eye to remain intact, and I would guess that's for a reason. Given that Obito is probably in his final moments, Madara might just get that eye back, so we'll see I guess. But considering that the technique he decided not to use is a scaled-up version of the Shinra Tensei, it's probably for some other reason. actually, what I wrote was mostly referring to using it on Kakashi, the 4th, gaara etc... and less so on Obito although I agree that maybe he didn't use it because he wanted to keep the eye intact. the push/pull can be resisted so at this point maybe he thinks that Gai can overcome it and the black stuff is a better defensive option you're giving both Gai and Madara way too much credit there with the whole overcome part lol.
On March 21 2014 14:17 flamewheel wrote: Wow you guys went ham on the posting while I was off being fat less food next time so you can go ham with us lol
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On March 21 2014 11:37 NewSunshine wrote: Holy shit, some people are getting huuuung the fuck up on Gai here. Really?
The argument that because he has the 10-tails he should be invincible is like saying that since I have the best macro in the world in SC2, I can't die to cheese. Good job. I have your next assignment carved under a bridge. No. It's more like having 200/200 army with 3/3/3 upgrades and losing to somebody that has 50/200 army with 3/0 upgrades and losing.
But it is what it is. Naruto looked really weird in the last panel.
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Someone already said it, but I'll say it again. If this was truly a 1v1 between Madara and Gai then Gai wouldn't have even been able to touch him. The only reason he got a punch in was because 4 people had to help him.
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On March 21 2014 14:55 Steins;Gate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 11:37 NewSunshine wrote: Holy shit, some people are getting huuuung the fuck up on Gai here. Really?
The argument that because he has the 10-tails he should be invincible is like saying that since I have the best macro in the world in SC2, I can't die to cheese. Good job. I have your next assignment carved under a bridge. No. It's more like having 200/200 army with 3/3/3 upgrades and losing to somebody that has 50/200 army with 3/0 upgrades and losing. But it is what it is. Naruto looked really weird in the last panel. And you do that by having a fucking base trade against terran when you only have 1 base. Y'know, since we're having fun pulling that metaphor to pieces. It's been established that Taijutsu is one of the main holes in the 6-paths defenses, I don't know why the ultimate Taijustu having an effect on him is suddenly surprising. The main trouble is getting it to connect, as we saw this chapter.
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you're giving both Gai and Madara way too much credit there with the whole overcome part lol.
then how about this, even if he did push him Gai could easily make up the lost ground in the interval, especially with the 4th on there side
theres no point creating a gap you cant maintain
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On March 21 2014 14:55 Steins;Gate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 11:37 NewSunshine wrote: Holy shit, some people are getting huuuung the fuck up on Gai here. Really?
The argument that because he has the 10-tails he should be invincible is like saying that since I have the best macro in the world in SC2, I can't die to cheese. Good job. I have your next assignment carved under a bridge. No. It's more like having 200/200 army with 3/3/3 upgrades and losing to somebody that has 50/200 army with 3/0 upgrades and losing. But it is what it is. Naruto looked really weird in the last panel. that example can actually fit the fact Gai is the right match against Madara. a 50/200 can put up a good fight against 200/200 if you face a hardcounter, im sure 8-9 Collosus can stand up against 200 Marines. maybe they wont win, but they will deal serious damage.
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On March 21 2014 02:32 Kazeyonoma wrote: checks and balances. some people are just more fortunately paired against others and in this case, this is the moment Gai was born for, just like it takes senjutsu something only a select few can do can stand toe to toe with him. you realize that Madara in SO6P mode is probably unstoppable to 99.999999% of the ninja's in the world because they rely on ninjutsu or things that wouldn't work.
And as someone else mentioned above, Gai only caught him off guard once, after that Madara actually would've wrecked him with the balls, but it required the genius of some of the most powerful ninjas in the world to coordinate a mounted attack. And he's about to die as indicated by the amount of pain he's going through, so this onslaught will end soon, and was mostly just a way to slightly weaken, maybe anger, and stall time for the naruto to return.
What you are saying is fighting types are strong against dark types.
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Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly.
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