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On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly.
I thought you had to train for quiet a while to be able to do this, not saying that madara didn't but if you didnt train specially for this then why would he know how to.
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On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly.
He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now.
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On March 23 2014 06:29 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly. He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now.
The Alliance should've killed Gai and used Edo Tensei to bring him back from the start.
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On March 23 2014 07:16 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 06:29 NewSunshine wrote:On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly. He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now. The Alliance should've killed Gai and used Edo Tensei to bring him back from the start.
Damn, that's actually legit. Kabuto and Orochimaru are on the field.
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On March 23 2014 07:16 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 06:29 NewSunshine wrote:On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly. He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now. The Alliance should've killed Gai and used Edo Tensei to bring him back from the start.
O.o
That's actually a good idea. Pity it's an atrocity against nature or something :\
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imo they would probably add in something where Madara can cancel the contract between Gai and the Summoner like he did for himself in order to keep it from becoming OP if they used that strategy
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On March 23 2014 07:16 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 06:29 NewSunshine wrote:On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly. He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now. The Alliance should've killed Gai and used Edo Tensei to bring him back from the start.
is opening the 8 gates even possible in edo tensei individuals? Seems like a plothole since getting to the 8th means death but you don't die if you've been edo tensei'd but then, does the dead body somehow deteriorate with the 8 gates and you end up dying after all?
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On March 23 2014 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
imo they would probably add in something where Madara can cancel the contract between Gai and the Summoner like he did for himself in order to keep it from becoming OP if they used that strategy
or just kill whoever brought him back after making him cancel it
is opening the 8 gates even possible in edo tensei individuals? Seems like a plothole since getting to the 8th means death but you don't die if you've been edo tensei'd but then, does the dead body somehow deteriorate with the 8 gates and you end up dying after all?
itachi still lost an eye after using the technique on Kabuto so maybe or maybe the edo tensei body would be too fragile to handle the strain and jsut disentagrate
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On March 23 2014 12:08 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
imo they would probably add in something where Madara can cancel the contract between Gai and the Summoner like he did for himself in order to keep it from becoming OP if they used that strategy or just kill whoever brought him back after making him cancel it Show nested quote +is opening the 8 gates even possible in edo tensei individuals? Seems like a plothole since getting to the 8th means death but you don't die if you've been edo tensei'd but then, does the dead body somehow deteriorate with the 8 gates and you end up dying after all? itachi still lost an eye after using the technique on Kabuto so maybe or maybe the edo tensei body would be too fragile to handle the strain and jsut disentagrate
oh yeah that works too. I suppose it would be much simpler haha
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On March 23 2014 12:08 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
imo they would probably add in something where Madara can cancel the contract between Gai and the Summoner like he did for himself in order to keep it from becoming OP if they used that strategy or just kill whoever brought him back after making him cancel it Show nested quote +is opening the 8 gates even possible in edo tensei individuals? Seems like a plothole since getting to the 8th means death but you don't die if you've been edo tensei'd but then, does the dead body somehow deteriorate with the 8 gates and you end up dying after all? itachi still lost an eye after using the technique on Kabuto so maybe or maybe the edo tensei body would be too fragile to handle the strain and jsut disentagrate
but that's an eye. We are talking about the whole body here. Losing an eye makes sense even if you are edo tensei but if you try to use 8 gates, well, it's still a body there albeit it's a dead body so can the dead die? LOL.
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On March 23 2014 14:39 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 12:08 Forikorder wrote:On March 23 2014 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
imo they would probably add in something where Madara can cancel the contract between Gai and the Summoner like he did for himself in order to keep it from becoming OP if they used that strategy or just kill whoever brought him back after making him cancel it is opening the 8 gates even possible in edo tensei individuals? Seems like a plothole since getting to the 8th means death but you don't die if you've been edo tensei'd but then, does the dead body somehow deteriorate with the 8 gates and you end up dying after all? itachi still lost an eye after using the technique on Kabuto so maybe or maybe the edo tensei body would be too fragile to handle the strain and jsut disentagrate but that's an eye. We are talking about the whole body here. Losing an eye makes sense even if you are edo tensei but if you try to use 8 gates, well, it's still a body there albeit it's a dead body so can the dead die? LOL.
Isn't the thing with the 8 gates that it puts so much strain on the muscles etc that the body can't function anymore?
I imagine arms/legs would start falling off
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On March 23 2014 06:29 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly. He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now.
That's an incredibly crappy reason considering he's probably in the top 3 most talented ninjas of all time. Learning something like that might be difficult for the average- pretty decent ninja, but it should be like learning how to use a microwave for him. If Kakashi can do it, there's no reason Madara shouldn't be able to do it.
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On March 23 2014 15:25 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 14:39 BigFan wrote:On March 23 2014 12:08 Forikorder wrote:On March 23 2014 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
imo they would probably add in something where Madara can cancel the contract between Gai and the Summoner like he did for himself in order to keep it from becoming OP if they used that strategy or just kill whoever brought him back after making him cancel it is opening the 8 gates even possible in edo tensei individuals? Seems like a plothole since getting to the 8th means death but you don't die if you've been edo tensei'd but then, does the dead body somehow deteriorate with the 8 gates and you end up dying after all? itachi still lost an eye after using the technique on Kabuto so maybe or maybe the edo tensei body would be too fragile to handle the strain and jsut disentagrate but that's an eye. We are talking about the whole body here. Losing an eye makes sense even if you are edo tensei but if you try to use 8 gates, well, it's still a body there albeit it's a dead body so can the dead die? LOL. Isn't the thing with the 8 gates that it puts so much strain on the muscles etc that the body can't function anymore? I imagine arms/legs would start falling off
hmm not sure but edo tensei is using dead bodies and the muscle don't work in dead bodies:
Rigor mortis usually sets in within four hours, first in the face and generally smaller muscles. The body reaches maximum stiffness within twelve to forty-eight hours ... In conclusion, rigor mortis is the stiffening of the body due to a lack of ATP after death.
I guess it doesn't make sense to try to make sense of opening 8 gates in edo tensei individuals lol.
On March 23 2014 15:36 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 06:29 NewSunshine wrote:On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly. He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now. That's an incredibly crappy reason considering he's probably in the top 3 most talented ninjas of all time. Learning something like that might be difficult for the average- pretty decent ninja, but it should be like learning how to use a microwave for him. If Kakashi can do it, there's no reason Madara shouldn't be able to do it.
Kakashi can open gates? since when? lol. ya, Madara is top 3 easily imo. Maybe he deemed it not worthy of his time or worked on getting his sharingan to EMS and rinnegan?
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On March 23 2014 15:37 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 15:25 GTPGlitch wrote:On March 23 2014 14:39 BigFan wrote:On March 23 2014 12:08 Forikorder wrote:On March 23 2014 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
imo they would probably add in something where Madara can cancel the contract between Gai and the Summoner like he did for himself in order to keep it from becoming OP if they used that strategy or just kill whoever brought him back after making him cancel it is opening the 8 gates even possible in edo tensei individuals? Seems like a plothole since getting to the 8th means death but you don't die if you've been edo tensei'd but then, does the dead body somehow deteriorate with the 8 gates and you end up dying after all? itachi still lost an eye after using the technique on Kabuto so maybe or maybe the edo tensei body would be too fragile to handle the strain and jsut disentagrate but that's an eye. We are talking about the whole body here. Losing an eye makes sense even if you are edo tensei but if you try to use 8 gates, well, it's still a body there albeit it's a dead body so can the dead die? LOL. Isn't the thing with the 8 gates that it puts so much strain on the muscles etc that the body can't function anymore? I imagine arms/legs would start falling off hmm not sure but edo tensei is using dead bodies and the muscle don't work in dead bodies: Show nested quote +Rigor mortis usually sets in within four hours, first in the face and generally smaller muscles. The body reaches maximum stiffness within twelve to forty-eight hours ... In conclusion, rigor mortis is the stiffening of the body due to a lack of ATP after death. I guess it doesn't make sense to try to make sense of opening 8 gates in edo tensei individuals lol. Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 15:36 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2014 06:29 NewSunshine wrote:On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly. He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now. That's an incredibly crappy reason considering he's probably in the top 3 most talented ninjas of all time. Learning something like that might be difficult for the average- pretty decent ninja, but it should be like learning how to use a microwave for him. If Kakashi can do it, there's no reason Madara shouldn't be able to do it. Kakashi can open gates? since when? lol. ya, Madara is top 3 easily imo. Maybe he deemed it not worthy of his time or worked on getting his sharingan to EMS and rinnegan?
Kakashi opens the first gate once when rock climbing with one hand. naruto wiki cites it as chapter 93
On March 23 2014 18:10 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 16:51 Shellshock wrote:On March 23 2014 15:37 BigFan wrote:On March 23 2014 15:25 GTPGlitch wrote:On March 23 2014 14:39 BigFan wrote:On March 23 2014 12:08 Forikorder wrote:On March 23 2014 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
imo they would probably add in something where Madara can cancel the contract between Gai and the Summoner like he did for himself in order to keep it from becoming OP if they used that strategy or just kill whoever brought him back after making him cancel it is opening the 8 gates even possible in edo tensei individuals? Seems like a plothole since getting to the 8th means death but you don't die if you've been edo tensei'd but then, does the dead body somehow deteriorate with the 8 gates and you end up dying after all? itachi still lost an eye after using the technique on Kabuto so maybe or maybe the edo tensei body would be too fragile to handle the strain and jsut disentagrate but that's an eye. We are talking about the whole body here. Losing an eye makes sense even if you are edo tensei but if you try to use 8 gates, well, it's still a body there albeit it's a dead body so can the dead die? LOL. Isn't the thing with the 8 gates that it puts so much strain on the muscles etc that the body can't function anymore? I imagine arms/legs would start falling off hmm not sure but edo tensei is using dead bodies and the muscle don't work in dead bodies: Rigor mortis usually sets in within four hours, first in the face and generally smaller muscles. The body reaches maximum stiffness within twelve to forty-eight hours ... In conclusion, rigor mortis is the stiffening of the body due to a lack of ATP after death. I guess it doesn't make sense to try to make sense of opening 8 gates in edo tensei individuals lol. On March 23 2014 15:36 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2014 06:29 NewSunshine wrote:On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly. He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now. That's an incredibly crappy reason considering he's probably in the top 3 most talented ninjas of all time. Learning something like that might be difficult for the average- pretty decent ninja, but it should be like learning how to use a microwave for him. If Kakashi can do it, there's no reason Madara shouldn't be able to do it. Kakashi can open gates? since when? lol. ya, Madara is top 3 easily imo. Maybe he deemed it not worthy of his time or worked on getting his sharingan to EMS and rinnegan? Kakashi opens the first gate once when rock climbing with one hand. naruto wiki cites it as chapter 93 It's when he's teaching Sasuke the Chidori.
oh yes. Thank you
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On March 23 2014 16:51 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 15:37 BigFan wrote:On March 23 2014 15:25 GTPGlitch wrote:On March 23 2014 14:39 BigFan wrote:On March 23 2014 12:08 Forikorder wrote:On March 23 2014 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
imo they would probably add in something where Madara can cancel the contract between Gai and the Summoner like he did for himself in order to keep it from becoming OP if they used that strategy or just kill whoever brought him back after making him cancel it is opening the 8 gates even possible in edo tensei individuals? Seems like a plothole since getting to the 8th means death but you don't die if you've been edo tensei'd but then, does the dead body somehow deteriorate with the 8 gates and you end up dying after all? itachi still lost an eye after using the technique on Kabuto so maybe or maybe the edo tensei body would be too fragile to handle the strain and jsut disentagrate but that's an eye. We are talking about the whole body here. Losing an eye makes sense even if you are edo tensei but if you try to use 8 gates, well, it's still a body there albeit it's a dead body so can the dead die? LOL. Isn't the thing with the 8 gates that it puts so much strain on the muscles etc that the body can't function anymore? I imagine arms/legs would start falling off hmm not sure but edo tensei is using dead bodies and the muscle don't work in dead bodies: Rigor mortis usually sets in within four hours, first in the face and generally smaller muscles. The body reaches maximum stiffness within twelve to forty-eight hours ... In conclusion, rigor mortis is the stiffening of the body due to a lack of ATP after death. I guess it doesn't make sense to try to make sense of opening 8 gates in edo tensei individuals lol. On March 23 2014 15:36 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2014 06:29 NewSunshine wrote:On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly. He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now. That's an incredibly crappy reason considering he's probably in the top 3 most talented ninjas of all time. Learning something like that might be difficult for the average- pretty decent ninja, but it should be like learning how to use a microwave for him. If Kakashi can do it, there's no reason Madara shouldn't be able to do it. Kakashi can open gates? since when? lol. ya, Madara is top 3 easily imo. Maybe he deemed it not worthy of his time or worked on getting his sharingan to EMS and rinnegan? Kakashi opens the first gate once when rock climbing with one hand. naruto wiki cites it as chapter 93
It's when he's teaching Sasuke the Chidori.
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On March 23 2014 18:10 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 16:51 Shellshock wrote:On March 23 2014 15:37 BigFan wrote:On March 23 2014 15:25 GTPGlitch wrote:On March 23 2014 14:39 BigFan wrote:On March 23 2014 12:08 Forikorder wrote:On March 23 2014 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
imo they would probably add in something where Madara can cancel the contract between Gai and the Summoner like he did for himself in order to keep it from becoming OP if they used that strategy or just kill whoever brought him back after making him cancel it is opening the 8 gates even possible in edo tensei individuals? Seems like a plothole since getting to the 8th means death but you don't die if you've been edo tensei'd but then, does the dead body somehow deteriorate with the 8 gates and you end up dying after all? itachi still lost an eye after using the technique on Kabuto so maybe or maybe the edo tensei body would be too fragile to handle the strain and jsut disentagrate but that's an eye. We are talking about the whole body here. Losing an eye makes sense even if you are edo tensei but if you try to use 8 gates, well, it's still a body there albeit it's a dead body so can the dead die? LOL. Isn't the thing with the 8 gates that it puts so much strain on the muscles etc that the body can't function anymore? I imagine arms/legs would start falling off hmm not sure but edo tensei is using dead bodies and the muscle don't work in dead bodies: Rigor mortis usually sets in within four hours, first in the face and generally smaller muscles. The body reaches maximum stiffness within twelve to forty-eight hours ... In conclusion, rigor mortis is the stiffening of the body due to a lack of ATP after death. I guess it doesn't make sense to try to make sense of opening 8 gates in edo tensei individuals lol. On March 23 2014 15:36 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2014 06:29 NewSunshine wrote:On March 23 2014 05:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plot hole: Madara could simply open one or two gates himself, and then the power up would let him finish the war almost instantly. He doesn't know how to. He's been around the block more than a few times, so he knows the long and short of just about every technique out there, but it doesn't mean he can perform them. Otherwise he could've just used all 8 gates in Edo Tensei mode and been stronger than he is now. That's an incredibly crappy reason considering he's probably in the top 3 most talented ninjas of all time. Learning something like that might be difficult for the average- pretty decent ninja, but it should be like learning how to use a microwave for him. If Kakashi can do it, there's no reason Madara shouldn't be able to do it. Kakashi can open gates? since when? lol. ya, Madara is top 3 easily imo. Maybe he deemed it not worthy of his time or worked on getting his sharingan to EMS and rinnegan? Kakashi opens the first gate once when rock climbing with one hand. naruto wiki cites it as chapter 93 It's when he's teaching Sasuke the Chidori.
Man, I don't remember this at all. But yeah, we got a major plot hole here.
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Kakashi also presumably spent A LOT of time training with Gai which means a lot of time watching gates opening with the sharingan. I could see him knowing it without every other character also conceivably knowing it. Why he doesn't use it more though...
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Sharingan already exhausting him fast, if he used the gates casually he'd spend most of his time in recovery.
Or Kishimoto simply forgot about it.
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he probably jsut doesnt have the muscle mass needed to be able to use the gates and not need a week in bed to recover even if you dont use 8 gates your still pretty much down for it after they expire
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I think Kakashi just has weak stamina in general.
That's the other thing, some techniques are shown as being incredibly draining stamina wise.
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