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On March 21 2014 01:20 goody153 wrote:
I'm done ranting about naruto having stupid power levels.
I'll just categories gai going toe to toe vs the strongest ninja with god-like powers recorded in history of the narutoverse as another "SHIT HAPPENS".
people forgetting Gai was actually helped by the other guys to make the hit.. but ok
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On March 21 2014 01:14 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:11 damod wrote:On March 20 2014 23:08 goody153 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:02 BurningSera wrote:why who doesnt naruto here?! D: That redmist part is funny though, as if Madara had seen it before. The power levels balance in Naruto world have been heavily messed up since (long) long time ago so i wouldn't be bothered by that at all. And somehow I get this feeling of Gai won't die from this chapter, lets see if all of us were wrong lol On March 13 2014 03:35 BurningSera wrote:Poll: Will Gai DieYes (27) 56% Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later (17) 35% No (4) 8% 48 total votes Your vote: Will Gai Die (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later
lets see There is supposed to be a limit in trolling the power level. I didn't know Kishi would go this far just to troll people. This is just too sad that the he completely messed up the final arc and he keeps messing it up more. I was once a hardcore naruto fanboy. I am barely surviving every update on the manga. I was at the point where i cared no more and i after seeing Gai being revealed to be stronger than everyone it basically killed me inside. Watching Naruto is like going to school you know . You hate it but you keep doing it. You keep forgeting its only a temporary powerup that will cause the user his death, its not like Gai can spam this everytime he wants so unless you kill your target or cause permanent damage, this powerup is a waste of life. Also the reason why Gai is causing so much damage than any other character right now is because his fighting style and technique is the perfect counter against Madara, its not a trolled powerlevel. Its just like minato said, the most effective way to fight him is by using TAIJUTSU or SENJUTSU, you can be a freaking Ninjutsu god and you'll achive nothing against him, and good luck trying genjutsu against the rinnegan. Oh you don't get it do you. Even if it's just temporary and suicidal 1. as long as it's easily accessible. 2. The fact that you can stand toe-to-toe vs the most talented fighter with the strongest abilities in the show is just plain i don't even wanna say the word. The moment he was able to harm madara in SOP6 form is insane. 2. Using pure physical means without any aid and standing toe to toe against a supposed to be a nerfed form of god is ridiculous.It's like anybody can just kill anybody now in Naruto with the 8 gate. What's the point of ninjutsu in the ninja world if you can beat the strongest man with just taijutsu. But Narutoverse power level has been crapped since forever why do i even bother.
hmm...
On March 21 2014 00:25 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:15 Dark_Chill wrote:On March 21 2014 00:11 damod wrote:On March 20 2014 23:08 goody153 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:02 BurningSera wrote:why who doesnt naruto here?! D: That redmist part is funny though, as if Madara had seen it before. The power levels balance in Naruto world have been heavily messed up since (long) long time ago so i wouldn't be bothered by that at all. And somehow I get this feeling of Gai won't die from this chapter, lets see if all of us were wrong lol On March 13 2014 03:35 BurningSera wrote:Poll: Will Gai DieYes (27) 56% Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later (17) 35% No (4) 8% 48 total votes Your vote: Will Gai Die (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later
lets see There is supposed to be a limit in trolling the power level. I didn't know Kishi would go this far just to troll people. This is just too sad that the he completely messed up the final arc and he keeps messing it up more. I was once a hardcore naruto fanboy. I am barely surviving every update on the manga. I was at the point where i cared no more and i after seeing Gai being revealed to be stronger than everyone it basically killed me inside. Watching Naruto is like going to school you know . You hate it but you keep doing it. You keep forgeting its only a temporary powerup that will cause the user his death, its not like Gai can spam this everytime he wants so unless you kill your target or cause permanent damage, this powerup is a waste of life. Also the reason why Gai is causing so much damage than any other character right now is because his fighting style is the perfect counter against Madara, its not a trolled powerlevel. Its just like minato said, the most effective way to fight him is by using TAIJUTSU or SENJUTSU, you can be a freaking Ninjutsu god and you'll achive nothing against him, and good luck trying genjutsu against the rinnegan. Wait, why doesn't genjutsu work against the Rinnegan? Jiraya trapped Pain in his illusion. Actually, I think this is just more proof that Itachi just cannot be allowed to be in this manga. He solves too many problems. Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:18 BurningSera wrote:
That's the thing with opening 8 gates, its power level would be reasonable to me (that enough to hurt Madara), if only Kinjutsu were really really really rare. The fact that alot of Kinjutsu have been shown and most of them are seriously life-threatening or they will be slowly killing the user in a long run anyway - imagine if Gai's dad (a Genin!!!) could learn 8 Gates, what's there to stop people to that as well?
No chakra needed, no special blood line needed, no complicated way to obtain it (just train 20 years on that shit etc in the worst case scenario) - I am pretty sure many ninjas will be willing to learn this kamikaze style jutsu, you know, just to protect the family/world etc. Not say that apparently 8 gates is more powerful than 5 Kage combined!?
All in all, it would be much more enjoyable to read if Kubo didn't pull that retarded 'some Genin can open 8 gates'. Serious failed writing since Book 2, sigh. I remember i had so much fun of discussing the power levels balance with friends back in the days of Book 1. Hmm, lets see, 1. what does Dai, Gai and Lee all have in common ? oh right, they are freaking Taijutsu masters who worked all their life on taijutsu and barely on any ninjutsu!no complicated way of getting it ? Seriously ? 1. you should read again what training rock lee is doing every day, and how much Pain you need to suffer to maintain those gates.
A simple commoner can not master this technique so easily, you need to have a fitting body and the will to master it and use it on the right time.Also may i remind you Naruto is technicaly also a "genin", so 'some genin spamming nukes' is ok right ? as if Dai had time to take the chunin exam while training his body for the 8 celestial gates technique.
And still, even with all of Lee's ridiculous amount of training, the 8th gate is still not accessible for him, so its probably not that easy.
On March 21 2014 00:11 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 23:08 goody153 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:02 BurningSera wrote:why who doesnt naruto here?! D: That redmist part is funny though, as if Madara had seen it before. The power levels balance in Naruto world have been heavily messed up since (long) long time ago so i wouldn't be bothered by that at all. And somehow I get this feeling of Gai won't die from this chapter, lets see if all of us were wrong lol On March 13 2014 03:35 BurningSera wrote:Poll: Will Gai DieYes (27) 56% Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later (17) 35% No (4) 8% 48 total votes Your vote: Will Gai Die (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later
lets see There is supposed to be a limit in trolling the power level. I didn't know Kishi would go this far just to troll people. This is just too sad that the he completely messed up the final arc and he keeps messing it up more. I was once a hardcore naruto fanboy. I am barely surviving every update on the manga. I was at the point where i cared no more and i after seeing Gai being revealed to be stronger than everyone it basically killed me inside. Watching Naruto is like going to school you know . You hate it but you keep doing it. You keep forgeting its only a temporary powerup that will cause the user his death, its not like Gai can spam this everytime he wants so unless you kill your target or cause permanent damage, this powerup is a waste of life. 2. Also the reason why Gai is causing so much damage than any other character right now is because his fighting style and technique is the perfect counter against Madara, its not a trolled powerlevel.
Its just like minato said, the most effective way to fight him is by using TAIJUTSU or SENJUTSU, you can be a freaking Ninjutsu god and you'll achive nothing against him, and good luck trying genjutsu against the rinnegan.
Yeah...
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On March 21 2014 00:11 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 23:08 goody153 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:02 BurningSera wrote:why who doesnt naruto here?! D: That redmist part is funny though, as if Madara had seen it before. The power levels balance in Naruto world have been heavily messed up since (long) long time ago so i wouldn't be bothered by that at all. And somehow I get this feeling of Gai won't die from this chapter, lets see if all of us were wrong lol On March 13 2014 03:35 BurningSera wrote:Poll: Will Gai DieYes (27) 56% Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later (17) 35% No (4) 8% 48 total votes Your vote: Will Gai Die (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later
lets see There is supposed to be a limit in trolling the power level. I didn't know Kishi would go this far just to troll people. This is just too sad that the he completely messed up the final arc and he keeps messing it up more. I was once a hardcore naruto fanboy. I am barely surviving every update on the manga. I was at the point where i cared no more and i after seeing Gai being revealed to be stronger than everyone it basically killed me inside. Watching Naruto is like going to school you know . You hate it but you keep doing it. You keep forgeting its only a temporary powerup that will cause the user his death, its not like Gai can spam this everytime he wants so unless you kill your target or cause permanent damage, this powerup is a waste of life. Also the reason why Gai is causing so much damage than any other character right now is because his fighting style and technique is the perfect counter against Madara, its not a trolled powerlevel. Its just like minato said, the most effective way to fight him is by using TAIJUTSU or SENJUTSU, you can be a freaking Ninjutsu god and you'll achive nothing against him, and good luck trying genjutsu against the rinnegan.
Doesn't matter if its temporary or super effective because taijutsu, it's still bs. Edo tensei madara owned five kages easy, IF the last gate gave Gai similar power it would already be hilarious, but no, it allows him to rival GOD lol.
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On March 21 2014 02:03 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:11 damod wrote:On March 20 2014 23:08 goody153 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:02 BurningSera wrote:why who doesnt naruto here?! D: That redmist part is funny though, as if Madara had seen it before. The power levels balance in Naruto world have been heavily messed up since (long) long time ago so i wouldn't be bothered by that at all. And somehow I get this feeling of Gai won't die from this chapter, lets see if all of us were wrong lol On March 13 2014 03:35 BurningSera wrote:Poll: Will Gai DieYes (27) 56% Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later (17) 35% No (4) 8% 48 total votes Your vote: Will Gai Die (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later
lets see There is supposed to be a limit in trolling the power level. I didn't know Kishi would go this far just to troll people. This is just too sad that the he completely messed up the final arc and he keeps messing it up more. I was once a hardcore naruto fanboy. I am barely surviving every update on the manga. I was at the point where i cared no more and i after seeing Gai being revealed to be stronger than everyone it basically killed me inside. Watching Naruto is like going to school you know . You hate it but you keep doing it. You keep forgeting its only a temporary powerup that will cause the user his death, its not like Gai can spam this everytime he wants so unless you kill your target or cause permanent damage, this powerup is a waste of life. Also the reason why Gai is causing so much damage than any other character right now is because his fighting style and technique is the perfect counter against Madara, its not a trolled powerlevel. Its just like minato said, the most effective way to fight him is by using TAIJUTSU or SENJUTSU, you can be a freaking Ninjutsu god and you'll achive nothing against him, and good luck trying genjutsu against the rinnegan. Doesn't matter if its temporary or super effective because taijutsu, it's still bs. Edo tensei madara owned five kages easy, IF the last gate gave Gai similar power it would already be hilarious, but no, it allows him to rival GOD lol.
It does matter because it means Gai is a more fitting opponent to Madara than the 5 Kages, it dosnt necessarily means he is stronger than all 5 of them, just a better match, even if for a short while.
Also it was told like 10 years ago that the 8th gate will grant powers higher than hokages, so calling it bs now is silly.
Keep in mind that we are even yet to know how big the damage Gai did to madara is, it could turn out trivial or little as a scratch to him.
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checks and balances. some people are just more fortunately paired against others and in this case, this is the moment Gai was born for, just like it takes senjutsu something only a select few can do can stand toe to toe with him. you realize that Madara in SO6P mode is probably unstoppable to 99.999999% of the ninja's in the world because they rely on ninjutsu or things that wouldn't work.
And as someone else mentioned above, Gai only caught him off guard once, after that Madara actually would've wrecked him with the balls, but it required the genius of some of the most powerful ninjas in the world to coordinate a mounted attack. And he's about to die as indicated by the amount of pain he's going through, so this onslaught will end soon, and was mostly just a way to slightly weaken, maybe anger, and stall time for the naruto to return.
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On March 21 2014 02:03 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:11 damod wrote:On March 20 2014 23:08 goody153 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:02 BurningSera wrote:why who doesnt naruto here?! D: That redmist part is funny though, as if Madara had seen it before. The power levels balance in Naruto world have been heavily messed up since (long) long time ago so i wouldn't be bothered by that at all. And somehow I get this feeling of Gai won't die from this chapter, lets see if all of us were wrong lol On March 13 2014 03:35 BurningSera wrote:Poll: Will Gai DieYes (27) 56% Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later (17) 35% No (4) 8% 48 total votes Your vote: Will Gai Die (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later
lets see There is supposed to be a limit in trolling the power level. I didn't know Kishi would go this far just to troll people. This is just too sad that the he completely messed up the final arc and he keeps messing it up more. I was once a hardcore naruto fanboy. I am barely surviving every update on the manga. I was at the point where i cared no more and i after seeing Gai being revealed to be stronger than everyone it basically killed me inside. Watching Naruto is like going to school you know . You hate it but you keep doing it. You keep forgeting its only a temporary powerup that will cause the user his death, its not like Gai can spam this everytime he wants so unless you kill your target or cause permanent damage, this powerup is a waste of life. Also the reason why Gai is causing so much damage than any other character right now is because his fighting style and technique is the perfect counter against Madara, its not a trolled powerlevel. Its just like minato said, the most effective way to fight him is by using TAIJUTSU or SENJUTSU, you can be a freaking Ninjutsu god and you'll achive nothing against him, and good luck trying genjutsu against the rinnegan. Doesn't matter if its temporary or super effective because taijutsu, it's still bs. Edo tensei madara owned five kages easy, IF the last gate gave Gai similar power it would already be hilarious, but no, it allows him to rival GOD lol.
Gai is already as strong as a Kage so with 8 gates exponentially increasing his power is it that odd that hes stronger then 5 kages?
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On March 21 2014 00:46 AsnSensation wrote:
a healthy Itachi would probably still stomp current Sasuke with EMS :D.
Uhm, Itachi has the superior genjutsu by far, but Sasuke was able to resist it. Sasuke's Amateratsu is way better. We have no idea how Itachi's Susanoo+items would do against Sasuke's superior Susanoo without items. Taijutsu is probably equal. Sasuke has the superior ninjutsu. It would be an interesting fight, far from a stomp.
On March 21 2014 02:03 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:11 damod wrote:On March 20 2014 23:08 goody153 wrote:On March 20 2014 23:02 BurningSera wrote:why who doesnt naruto here?! D: That redmist part is funny though, as if Madara had seen it before. The power levels balance in Naruto world have been heavily messed up since (long) long time ago so i wouldn't be bothered by that at all. And somehow I get this feeling of Gai won't die from this chapter, lets see if all of us were wrong lol On March 13 2014 03:35 BurningSera wrote:Poll: Will Gai DieYes (27) 56% Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later (17) 35% No (4) 8% 48 total votes Your vote: Will Gai Die (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Revived by Naruto/Sasuke later
lets see There is supposed to be a limit in trolling the power level. I didn't know Kishi would go this far just to troll people. This is just too sad that the he completely messed up the final arc and he keeps messing it up more. I was once a hardcore naruto fanboy. I am barely surviving every update on the manga. I was at the point where i cared no more and i after seeing Gai being revealed to be stronger than everyone it basically killed me inside. Watching Naruto is like going to school you know . You hate it but you keep doing it. You keep forgeting its only a temporary powerup that will cause the user his death, its not like Gai can spam this everytime he wants so unless you kill your target or cause permanent damage, this powerup is a waste of life. Also the reason why Gai is causing so much damage than any other character right now is because his fighting style and technique is the perfect counter against Madara, its not a trolled powerlevel. Its just like minato said, the most effective way to fight him is by using TAIJUTSU or SENJUTSU, you can be a freaking Ninjutsu god and you'll achive nothing against him, and good luck trying genjutsu against the rinnegan. Doesn't matter if its temporary or super effective because taijutsu, it's still bs. Edo tensei madara owned five kages easy, IF the last gate gave Gai similar power it would already be hilarious, but no, it allows him to rival GOD lol.
Yeah, it's bullshit but people wanted to see the 8 gates and would've been angry if Gai gave his life only to be stomped as easily as everybody else. Now his sacrifice won't seem pointless, even though we know he was never going to be the one to defeat Madara.
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On March 21 2014 02:56 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:46 AsnSensation wrote:
a healthy Itachi would probably still stomp current Sasuke with EMS :D. Uhm, Itachi has the superior genjutsu by far, but Sasuke was able to resist it. Sasuke's Amateratsu is way better. We have no idea how Itachi's Susanoo+items would do against Sasuke's superior Susanoo without items. Taijutsu is probably equal. Sasuke has the superior ninjutsu. It would be an interesting fight, far from a stomp.
Itachi was like 90% dead when they fought and wasnt trying his hardest he was just putting on a show
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Why are you guys still arguing about 8 gates? As mentioned, the amount of training you need to go through to even become adequate enough to open even 6 gates is very intense and I doubt many would go through it or are even able to. Lee can only open up to 6 gates atm and opening the 8th gate means death. It's not a open the gate, deal massive damage then rest to recover. It's open the gate, try to deal massive damage with x minutes then die! Also, as mentioned, I'm sure that your starting power level is very important for this.
In a way, think about how dbz worked when you became a super saiyan or more. Your starting power level meant that your saiyan power level would be stronger the higher it was and so on and forth. It likely works similar to that when you finally open the 8th gate so asides from intense training to even be about to get to the 5th or 6th gate, the starting level is very important especially when you finally get to open the 8th gate. Gai is likely a better opponent to Madara than most due to his style as well and as we know, he's likely going to die from this with Madara sustaining some, albeit not life-threatening injuries. While it does seem a bit overpowered, mostly since they said way back in the manga that your power exceeds a kage's power, Gai is already at or above that power so I can see at least why he would become that much more powerful.
On March 21 2014 03:01 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 02:56 Zane wrote:On March 21 2014 00:46 AsnSensation wrote:
a healthy Itachi would probably still stomp current Sasuke with EMS :D. Uhm, Itachi has the superior genjutsu by far, but Sasuke was able to resist it. Sasuke's Amateratsu is way better. We have no idea how Itachi's Susanoo+items would do against Sasuke's superior Susanoo without items. Taijutsu is probably equal. Sasuke has the superior ninjutsu. It would be an interesting fight, far from a stomp. Itachi was like 90% dead when they fought and wasnt trying his hardest he was just putting on a show
I think he means current Sasuke vs. non-sick Itachi. I think it would be closer than most people think but Itachi's Susanoo having that sword might swing it in his favor just cause.
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Itachi is the strongest Uchiha. Tsukuyomi is the most imbalanced shit ever.
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On March 21 2014 03:48 BigFan wrote:Why are you guys still arguing about 8 gates? As mentioned, the amount of training you need to go through to even become adequate enough to open even 6 gates is very intense and I doubt many would go through it or are even able to. Lee can only open up to 6 gates atm and opening the 8th gate means death. It's not a open the gate, deal massive damage then rest to recover. It's open the gate, try to deal massive damage with x minutes then die! Also, as mentioned, I'm sure that your starting power level is very important for this. In a way, think about how dbz worked when you became a super saiyan or more. Your starting power level meant that your saiyan power level would be stronger the higher it was and so on and forth. It likely works similar to that when you finally open the 8th gate so asides from intense training to even be about to get to the 5th or 6th gate, the starting level is very important especially when you finally get to open the 8th gate. Gai is likely a better opponent to Madara than most due to his style as well and as we know, he's likely going to die from this with Madara sustaining some, albeit not life-threatening injuries. While it does seem a bit overpowered, mostly since they said way back in the manga that your power exceeds a kage's power, Gai is already at or above that power so I can see at least why he would become that much more powerful. Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 03:01 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 02:56 Zane wrote:On March 21 2014 00:46 AsnSensation wrote:
a healthy Itachi would probably still stomp current Sasuke with EMS :D. Uhm, Itachi has the superior genjutsu by far, but Sasuke was able to resist it. Sasuke's Amateratsu is way better. We have no idea how Itachi's Susanoo+items would do against Sasuke's superior Susanoo without items. Taijutsu is probably equal. Sasuke has the superior ninjutsu. It would be an interesting fight, far from a stomp. Itachi was like 90% dead when they fought and wasnt trying his hardest he was just putting on a show I think he means current Sasuke vs. non-sick Itachi. I think it would be closer than most people think but Itachi's Susanoo having that sword might swing it in his favor just cause.
Oh Bigfan. Remember that Madara was the legendary ninja who can openly beat 5 kage's without breaking a sweat. Madara just obtained Godmode capacity with the SOP6 abilities. So he is like 10 times more powerful than his former form.
So does that mean that Gai could almost go toe to toe with Madara on SOP6 mode that Gai could beat madara without the SOP6 form? If that is a yes then it's already very funny.
For someone hyped as the most powerful and skilled ninja with the most powerful fighting tools. If taijutsu could level with him so easily. When 5 people with crazy abilities and 3 of them having almost 50 years of existence being a ninja couldn't do it with madara having a weaker form.
What the hell is the point of all the bloodline abilities and all the other ninjutsu's that are hyped so much. Such as senju abilities. Rinnegan. MS. Susanoo. Lightning armor.
Having the 10 tails ability is basically being a God. It's having the ability of the creator of their universe. And a taijutsu user could level with a GOD ?
What the hell is the point of all the tailed beast form if gai could easily level with it. It's basically bullshit.
Lee had 6 gates due to he is still 16 yrs old. Gai has been learning taijutsu for like 20 years.
If this was the case Gai couldn't sacrifice his life for his village when pain attacked is that it ? that's really lame.
DBZ is way better than naruto in power levels right now. No nothing is lesser than naruto anymore in terms of power level consistency.
SOP6 form basically is faster than the second fastest ninja of all time which was 4th raikage. And taijutsu could beat it.
i am sorry but that's really lame. Despite naruto being lame this last arc this is just pure ridiculous.
The fact that you any ability could not level with SOP6 form and taijutsu could is that naruto was basically just like all the fighting shounen like Hajime no ippou if that happens. It doesn't even matter if you need 20 years training taijutsu. Lee could access 6 gate with just 10 years of experience. It is easily accessible by all ninja if Dai could do it and Dai was considered as a weakling.
Hell it would have been better if gai could level with anything just below SOP6 form. but leveling a GOD mode form !!!! are you kidding me ? with just physical capabilities !!?!!? How is having great physical capabilities able to rival a person with the fighting capabilities of the creator of the universe !!?!! Why not train every single untalented genin with the same shit. And you could basically beat anyone.
It's basically like BL infestor. Reasonable accessible and almost unbeatable. That's why it's bullshit. This is the most unreasonable thing i heard from this series to be honest. It's pure stupidity.
Ok this will be my last rant about this.
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Oh yeah....you know what ? Why don´t we take all our 6-10 year old kids that have no skill and give them a bomb in a backsack and let them make detonate themselves in between our enemies when our country is attacked ? You know...well...maybe that is not the intention of a so called "civilized" culture. Maybe you just don´t do that shit when you are not a terrorist. It is just such a silly argument.
Aside from that i don´t understand all that ranting anway, 8 Gate was introduced like decades ago, it was always clear that it is pretty op. And Kishi even gave it more sense, it really counters Madaras techniques. At first i thought it was a lame chapter, but after reading it a second time i think it is pretty nice. A sweet combination of different moves from different characters.
Of course the "power level" is inconsistent, that is quite normal when you write a story like this over 12 years. You think he could prepare such a story and make it all logic and the "power level" being consistent while writing one manga every week ? You guys have a clue how difficult that is ? Yeah of course at first it was fine, but you have to get stronger opponents, you can´t make such a universe and then always have fights like Shikamaru against Temari or something like that where it comes down to tactic. You have to come up with such ideas while the Narutoverse is getting bigger and more complicated with every fight and every new technique or rule, at some point there is a limit when you only have little time to come up with new shit. At some point most of your ideas worn out, and you have to develope your characters, they have to get stronger, so it gets even harder to find an opponent that is not only far stronger but instead has techniques that counter Naruto (or whoever else) but at the same time lets him overcome his opponent with a cool tactic.
I understand that a lot of people are disappointed that this is not the case any longer in Naruto, but i personally think that is just not possible. So i try to enjoy it as much as possible and try not to have to high expectations.
It is not just since the last two mangas that the storytelling is dropping, that is the case for years now. By now people really should have understood that.
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On March 21 2014 07:58 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 03:48 BigFan wrote:Why are you guys still arguing about 8 gates? As mentioned, the amount of training you need to go through to even become adequate enough to open even 6 gates is very intense and I doubt many would go through it or are even able to. Lee can only open up to 6 gates atm and opening the 8th gate means death. It's not a open the gate, deal massive damage then rest to recover. It's open the gate, try to deal massive damage with x minutes then die! Also, as mentioned, I'm sure that your starting power level is very important for this. In a way, think about how dbz worked when you became a super saiyan or more. Your starting power level meant that your saiyan power level would be stronger the higher it was and so on and forth. It likely works similar to that when you finally open the 8th gate so asides from intense training to even be about to get to the 5th or 6th gate, the starting level is very important especially when you finally get to open the 8th gate. Gai is likely a better opponent to Madara than most due to his style as well and as we know, he's likely going to die from this with Madara sustaining some, albeit not life-threatening injuries. While it does seem a bit overpowered, mostly since they said way back in the manga that your power exceeds a kage's power, Gai is already at or above that power so I can see at least why he would become that much more powerful. On March 21 2014 03:01 Forikorder wrote:On March 21 2014 02:56 Zane wrote:On March 21 2014 00:46 AsnSensation wrote:
a healthy Itachi would probably still stomp current Sasuke with EMS :D. Uhm, Itachi has the superior genjutsu by far, but Sasuke was able to resist it. Sasuke's Amateratsu is way better. We have no idea how Itachi's Susanoo+items would do against Sasuke's superior Susanoo without items. Taijutsu is probably equal. Sasuke has the superior ninjutsu. It would be an interesting fight, far from a stomp. Itachi was like 90% dead when they fought and wasnt trying his hardest he was just putting on a show I think he means current Sasuke vs. non-sick Itachi. I think it would be closer than most people think but Itachi's Susanoo having that sword might swing it in his favor just cause. Oh Bigfan. Remember that Madara was the legendary ninja who can openly beat 5 kage's without breaking a sweat. Madara just obtained Godmode capacity with the SOP6 abilities. So he is like 10 times more powerful than his former form. So does that mean that Gai could almost go toe to toe with Madara on SOP6 mode that Gai could beat madara without the SOP6 form? If that is a yes then it's already very funny. For someone hyped as the most powerful and skilled ninja with the most powerful fighting tools. If taijutsu could level with him so easily. When 5 people with crazy abilities and 3 of them having almost 50 years of existence being a ninja couldn't do it with madara having a weaker form. What the hell is the point of all the bloodline abilities and all the other ninjutsu's that are hyped so much. Such as senju abilities. Rinnegan. MS. Susanoo. Lightning armor. Having the 10 tails ability is basically being a God. It's having the ability of the creator of their universe. And a taijutsu user could level with a GOD ? What the hell is the point of all the tailed beast form if gai could easily level with it. It's basically bullshit. Lee had 6 gates due to he is still 16 yrs old. Gai has been learning taijutsu for like 20 years. If this was the case Gai couldn't sacrifice his life for his village when pain attacked is that it ? that's really lame. DBZ is way better than naruto in power levels right now. No nothing is lesser than naruto anymore in terms of power level consistency. SOP6 form basically is faster than the second fastest ninja of all time which was 4th raikage. And taijutsu could beat it. i am sorry but that's really lame. Despite naruto being lame this last arc this is just pure ridiculous. The fact that you any ability could not level with SOP6 form and taijutsu could is that naruto was basically just like all the fighting shounen like Hajime no ippou if that happens. It doesn't even matter if you need 20 years training taijutsu. Lee could access 6 gate with just 10 years of experience. It is easily accessible by all ninja if Dai could do it and Dai was considered as a weakling. Hell it would have been better if gai could level with anything just below SOP6 form. but leveling a GOD mode form !!!! are you kidding me ? with just physical capabilities !!?!!? How is having great physical capabilities able to rival a person with the fighting capabilities of the creator of the universe !!?!! Why not train every single untalented genin with the same shit. And you could basically beat anyone. It's basically like BL infestor. Reasonable accessible and almost unbeatable. That's why it's bullshit. This is the most unreasonable thing i heard from this series to be honest. It's pure stupidity. Ok this will be my last rant about this.
ya, I'm aware that Madara was legendary and beat down all 5 kages with no sweat as a zombie and now he's all OP with the tailed beasts and the rinnegan. Thing is, who knows just how much power the SOP6 form gives him. It's obviously a lot but he's still missing the second rinnegan and it seems that it's those black circles or w/e they are called that are quite dangerous. He's got speed etc... Here's the thing though. Some parts of Naruto are meant to be taken as is and dwelling on them and such won't make sense. I'm not saying that's a good thing and I agree that it seems odd that Gai could keep up and give Madara a hard time when he's in SO6P mode but the 8 gates has been hyped since Chunnin exams when Lee first opened up to the 5th gate so I doubt Kishi wanted to disappoint for that. Notice that Madara is still standing and smiling even after that beatdown and wants more. Even if he sustained some damage since it's considered a powerful technique, he's not likely to die to it anytime soon. Also, it's likely Madara was not prepared for what was to come so he'll defend this next round that much better(keep in mind Gai got help from his co).
If we can have bloodline abilities and OP ninjutsu, why can't we have OP taijutsu? Because it's hand to hand combat? Even if he has the 10 tails, how much power can he really gather from it? Is he able to use the power to its max or is it that he's limited in how much power he can use due to his body? Naruto could only use some power until he made peace with the kyuubi. Given, this is a bit different since Madara used the statue to get the tailed beasts but I guess this could be one reason. His body can only handle so much power so he only uses enough which is quite a bit and leaves the rest when needed. You're assuming anyone can do it. You need to focus solely on taijutsu from what it seems to be able to do it and you need intense training. On top of that, if you use it and fail(anything below 8 gates), you are immobile and can't fight for a long time. 8 gate means death.
We have no clue if Dai could use 8 gates at all though. All we know is that he can open some gates so maybe he opened enough to kill some of the swordsmen of the mist before dying himself. Also, he might have been considered a genin solely because he couldn't use ninjutsu and not because he was a weakling(not to say he was anywhere near the strongest though). I don't recall them mentioning anywhere in the manga that SO6P is a physical fighter. It was more like he developed ninjutsu so that was his specialty. yes, it would be weird if the SO6P wasn't a good fighter(taijutsu) but its also an assumption on our part that physically, he is the greatest as well.
Either way, my points are completely jumbled above so I guess a summary: yes, it's weird that Gai with 8 gates is fighting evenly with Madara and yes, it does seem like the 8 gates is OP but keep in mind that Madara has one rinnegan, may have a limit to the amount of power he can use at once as well as not being prepared for what was to come. Also, the SO6P despite being the inventor of Taijutsu and a very capable fighter might not have the strongest taijutsu and it's quite likely you need 20+ years of experience solely on Taijutsu and a capable teacher to even be able to open the 8 gates and last through the pain to get a chance to deal major damage to your opponent before dying.
edit: I dunno why you are arguing power levels in Naruto lol. There never were power levels to begin with, this isn't dbz. You could have a general layout of who's stronger based on what you read/watch but you could never make a list like in dbz where you had multiplier and formulas for the different transformations. Also, as mentioned, it's pretty much impossible to even keep some things the same seeing as Kishi has been writing Naruto for a long time. It's possible he intended the 8 gates to make an appearance much earlier on but had to hold off on it and thought this is the best way to send off Gai. Frankly, I enjoyed the last chapter since Gai actually played some role even if it meant he sacrificed himself. Gai fighting!
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Well for one, Gai didn't do it alone. He had a significant level of help from the other ninjas there. Two, its like not he defeated him, hell Madara didn't seem that worried. Madara seemed exhilarated by it.
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On March 21 2014 08:58 Slaughter wrote:
Well for one, Gai didn't do it alone. He had a significant level of help from the other ninjas there. Two, its like not he defeated him, hell Madara didn't seem that worried. Madara seemed exhilarated by it.
agree. lol ya, Madara loved it and asked if he had more XD
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Someone is really hung up on Madara being literally "GOD".
Quick reality check: The first and the third Hokage were also known as gods. They weren't.
The point of the Sage Of 6 Paths lies in the fucking name. Its paths. There are multiple ways, or paths, to being a ninja.
If you insist on seeing things black and white, then the sage has mastery over chakra that makes him immune or unmatchable in several ninja techniques. For example by literally being unaffected by regular chakra attacks.
I don't think Madara is all-mighty or all-knowing either.
However in my opinion it would be utterly stupid if Madara was immune to all attacks not done by Sasuke or Naruto just because.
That and the god thing would make for really unexciting and boring stories.
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As boxing saying goes... "Style make fights"
Gai's Taijutsu counters Madara. You may have godly ninjutsu as the five kages have, its no use if your opponent is immune to it.
It makes sense that only Naruto is the perfect counter for Madara as he had better control on his Senjutsu combined with his frog kata. Of course with some help of the new sage emo Sasuke.
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Holy shit, some people are getting huuuung the fuck up on Gai here. Really?
The argument that because he has the 10-tails he should be invincible is like saying that since I have the best macro in the world in SC2, I can't die to cheese. Good job. I have your next assignment carved under a bridge.
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Oh Bigfan. Remember that Madara was the legendary ninja who can openly beat 5 kage's without breaking a sweat. Madara just obtained Godmode capacity with the SOP6 abilities. So he is like 10 times more powerful than his former form .
actaully he had trouble, he tried to seriously kill them multiple times and actually failed each time and at the end failed to deal truly fatal blows
they may not ahve come close to killing him but he had a hard time killing them too
So does that mean that Gai could almost go toe to toe with Madara on SOP6 mode that Gai could beat madara without the SOP6 form? If that is a yes then it's already very funny.
haaaaaaaaaard to say Gai as he is right now wouldnt have been able to do much to Madara because Madara had the shell but Kakashi opened a hole for Gai to break into without taht hole maybe Gai could ahve spent the rest of his life and never scratch it it really depends on an unkown (how durable his Suano'o is)
For someone hyped as the most powerful and skilled ninja with the most powerful fighting tools. If taijutsu could level with him so easily. When 5 people with crazy abilities and 3 of them having almost 50 years of existence being a ninja couldn't do it with madara having a weaker form.
id say his unkillable zombie form was stronger then his mortal current form
also remember with the Rinnegan hes immune to majority of those crazy abilities
also remember that currently Gai hasnt done much more then break his headband
also remember that Obito had the 10 tails and got done in as well
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Actually, Madara was literally toying with the 5 Kage, he simply thought they weren't worthy of seeing Susano'o twice. If he ignored plot armor and took a moment to make sure the job was done, it would have been without a doubt, they're ants as far as he's concerned.
As for normal Guy beating normal Madara, don't be stupid again. Susano'o is all it would take to force Guy's hand and open the gates. Or he could just subdue him via the Sharingan like the Raikage. A large part of why the 8 gates are effective right now is the speed. As for why Madara isn't using Susano'o now, blame plot I guess. Perhaps Guy could break through, and the black stuff is more effective. *shrugs*
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