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Godwrath
Spain10109 Posts
, to truly bring balance back. Buuut since Star wars had always had good and bad guys, and having seen TFA, i expect a Empire Strikes Back 2.0. Not like that is bad in itself. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
On April 15 2017 06:08 Plansix wrote: If the teaser trailer didn’t give anything away, they made a good teaser. A trailer that doesn't spoil the movie is a breath of fresh air these days. | ||
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
- Luke trains Rey (like Yoda trained Luke) -Time of Jedi ends once more :D -Theres a similar battle like the one on Hoth Jesus Christ Disney, do something frresh for once... | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 15 2017 22:03 TerransHill wrote: To me that trailer gives away that the "new" movie is going to be a complete ripoff again - Luke trains Rey (like Yoda trained Luke) -Time of Jedi ends once more :D -Theres a similar battle like the one on Hoth Jesus Christ Disney, do something frresh for once... Ah pls, that Rey will be trained was a given no matter what. Time of the Jedi to end is an actual theme here, not in the sense of "the bad guys strike back" but as an actual thematic point. Luke wants to change the jedi Oh my god there are battles which involve walkers! I mean sure that could be similar, but it's only really similar if it pushes the same plot buttons. We don't know. Other than that we didn't see anything. Considering that the main theme seems to be how the jedi are structured, that luke wants them to end to make him "the last jedi" i think it's fairly different for sure. It's funny because i see so much hate already, even people saying the prequels were way better, it seems so weird to me. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On April 16 2017 00:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ah pls, that Rey will be trained was a given no matter what. Time of the Jedi to end is an actual theme here, not in the sense of "the bad guys strike back" but as an actual thematic point. Luke wants to change the jedi Oh my god there are battles which involve walkers! I mean sure that could be similar, but it's only really similar if it pushes the same plot buttons. We don't know. Other than that we didn't see anything. Considering that the main theme seems to be how the jedi are structured, that luke wants them to end to make him "the last jedi" i think it's fairly different for sure. It's funny because i see so much hate already, even people saying the prequels were way better, it seems so weird to me. I watched the trailer in english now and he says"its time for the jedi to end", while in the german version he says "the time of the jedi ends", so I give you that. But I still don't expect anything original or interesting here. Just because Rey will be trained was a given doesn't make it less of a ripoff And the battle not only has walkers in it, but also a similar environment And if such a short teaser already has that many things in common with the OT you can imagine what the movie will be like. You also can't blame the people for having low expectations after they watched the last 2 movies. I mean I hope that I am wrong here, but I think the new movie will be just like that. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10109 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Because that's the environment you would use these walkers  We still don't know the details about that fight, if there will be a similar fight to begin with, etc. You always have to look at the director for movies. Not that i think the new one is all that amazing, he is no denis villeneuve, but i think he can do better than JJ for sure. I also don't think that episode 7 was all that bad by any means. I actually think it did a lot of stuff BETTER than the old trilogy, others worse and at the end it was a good star wars movie. No idea about rogue one. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On April 16 2017 05:28 The_Red_Viper wrote: So as long as a star wars story has some training in it it's a ripoff? Like i don't see your point. We have a new force user, ofc that force user needs training. It's funny because people were actually MAD that she didn't have training and do stuff the last movie. Now they are mad that she actually trains. Like what would you be happy with? Because that's the environment you would use these walkers We still don't know the details about that fight, if there will be a similar fight to begin with, etc. You always have to look at the director for movies. Not that i think the new one is all that amazing, he is no denis villeneuve, but i think he can do better than JJ for sure. I also don't think that episode 7 was all that bad by any means. I actually think it did a lot of stuff BETTER than the old trilogy, others worse and at the end it was a good star wars movie. No idea about rogue one. She needs training but it's also on a lonely planet, 1on1 with an old Jedi Master who ran away and involves lifting things. But well the first movie set it up that way so they couldn't get out of it I guess. Actually the first movie already fucked up the new trilogy beyond repair. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Ofc there are other complaints as well, like the movie being not all that creative, rey's ability in comparison to kylo could have been a bit more believable, etc but at the same time it created fairly good scenes as well and the charactes are all interesting enough i think. If episode 8 can be a bit better writen (plotwise) and give each scene a bit more time to breathe without having new problems it might be the best star wars movie yet. Like i really don't understand why people overhype the old ones that much, watching them now a lot of scenes don't work for me at all simply because it was too cheesy or it didn't take itself seriously enough. Episode 6 was outright bad execpt of the redemption scene of vader. Lot of nostalgia going on here imo On April 16 2017 06:21 TerransHill wrote: She needs training but it's also on a lonely planet, 1on1 with an old Jedi Master who ran away and involves lifting things. But well the first movie set it up that way so they couldn't get out of it I guess. Actually the first movie already fucked up the new trilogy beyond repair. Yoda was on a lonely planet to hide, Luke seems to be there because he searched things. Ofc both will lift things with their force ability, that's what happens in every single goddamn star wars movie. Dunno your complaints are quite out there. I agree that i would have been more excited if the first one wouldn't have been a fairly safe work with clear 1:1 plot points from the OT. But fucked up beyond repair? That seems like such an exaggeration | ||
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riotjune
United States3392 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
We could see the conflict between the light and dark sides of the Force evolve into something not as binary as Jedi vs Sith and instead become something more fluid and varied. This would technically still preserve Anakin's fulfillment of the prophecy by destroying the Sith, yet still leave open conflicts and stories about those who pick up after the end of the Jedi and Sith. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
If they pull it off with great quality? Who knows but i think there is potential. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 16 2017 12:16 eviltomahawk wrote: I'm excited to see where the new canon goes if Luke truly ends the Jedi and turns Rey into something else. The old canon had Sith fighting Jedi for generations after Luke's passing, and I felt that really dilutes the impact of the original trilogy. In the new canon, Snoke, Kylo Ren, and friends technically aren't Sith. They embrace the dark side, but they aren't truly Sith because the line of Sith masters and apprentices ended when Palpatine and Vader died. It has also been suggested in the cartoons that the Force is more than just Jedi vs Sith, such as the Night Sisters of Dathomir or the Bendu. We could see the conflict between the light and dark sides of the Force evolve into something not as binary as Jedi vs Sith and instead become something more fluid and varied. This would technically still preserve Anakin's fulfillment of the prophecy by destroying the Sith, yet still leave open conflicts and stories about those who pick up after the end of the Jedi and Sith. I would like to see light side Jedi that completely disagree with the Jedi’s teachings and the way they conduct themselves. If people want shades of “grey”, dig into the idea of good characters and groups that disagree the manner of conflict resolution. And with more depth than “sometimes these good force users see the darkside as a valuable tool”. Get more nuanced, like disagreeing with the Jedi teaching that the force should guide our moral center. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10109 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Well, from rebels we know that disney is using terms that were used for the Je'daii, who weren't servants of the light nor the dark, but rather the force as a whole, accepting its duality. There they meet Bendu, a more than obvious Grey force user and he uses the same term from the Je'daii to refer to both sides Ashlan and Bogan. He also says that sith holocrons aren't neccessarily evil/bad however you would say it in english sry. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Je'daii_Order Then we have the most obvious that pretty much tells you the trilogy's theme as it did with the other journal of the whills entry on clone wars if i am not mistaken : Prequels … And in the time of greatest despair there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as: THE SON OF THE SUNS. Journal of the Whills, 3:127 And the TFA one: “First comes the day Then comes the night. After the darkness Shines through the light. The difference, they say, Is only made right By the resolving of gray Through refined Jedi sight.” ― Journal of the Whills, 7:477 There is not much to add. It will be interesting to see, and also if Kylo is finally redeemed, he is obviously troubled, constantly seduced by the light side as he says. Also, even tho everything says Rey is Luke's daughter, i really want her to be a Kenobi  Edit : Also Rogue one >>> TFA, no contest there ! | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Interesting video i think. Has spoilers for both episode 7 and rogue one | ||
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