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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 23 2015 08:32 GMT
#2641
They will probably get a substantial boost in the form of pooling together willing military elements of the New Republic remnants.

I wonder if they stopped short of destroying Coruscant for some studio mandated reason. It really looks like it was set up for it to look like that was what is being destroyed.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
December 23 2015 08:38 GMT
#2642
I wanted so much more of max von sydow. Anyone else feels the same?
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
December 23 2015 09:01 GMT
#2643
On December 23 2015 17:38 Foxxan wrote:
I wanted so much more of max von sydow. Anyone else feels the same?

I didn't even notice he was in the film.
sorry for dem one liners
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
December 23 2015 09:18 GMT
#2644
On December 23 2015 18:01 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2015 17:38 Foxxan wrote:
I wanted so much more of max von sydow. Anyone else feels the same?

I didn't even notice he was in the film.

He was at the very beginning, the old dude giving the key to BB8
TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
December 23 2015 10:51 GMT
#2645
Anyone else think that the whole scene where they force Phasma to deactivate the shields is kinda funny? The terminal is in a small room where noone is working and they manage to bring her there without anyone noticing.
Wouldn't such a terminal be in some kind of tower where alot of people work ( like in an airport )? It actually should be in the big control room where general ginger spends most of his time. Or are there just tons of terminals all around the station from where you can deactivate the shields?? This is such lazy writing, it hurts. They could as well just not mention the shields at all.
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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
December 23 2015 11:08 GMT
#2646
On December 23 2015 19:51 TerransHill wrote:
Anyone else think that the whole scene where they force Phasma to deactivate the shields is kinda funny? The terminal is in a small room where noone is working and they manage to bring her there without anyone noticing.
Wouldn't such a terminal be in some kind of tower where alot of people work ( like in an airport )? It actually should be in the big control room where general ginger spends most of his time. Or are there just tons of terminals all around the station from where you can deactivate the shields?? This is such lazy writing, it hurts. They could as well just not mention the shields at all.

I agree. Also she's the leader of the Stormtroopers and willingly deactivates the shield? No fight? No subtle trap? Just "Ok here ya go. They are off, Have a good day"

Lame
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
December 23 2015 11:26 GMT
#2647
Yes. It's just another example of the lazy writing in the movie.
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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
December 23 2015 11:39 GMT
#2648
Yeah I don't understand why they rushed the ending so much. I didn't even feel like the movie is long, half an hour more would be a breeze.
sorry for dem one liners
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22131 Posts
December 23 2015 11:43 GMT
#2649
On December 23 2015 17:29 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2015 16:15 Volband wrote:
On December 23 2015 09:44 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On December 23 2015 00:37 LegalLord wrote:
On December 23 2015 00:09 Volband wrote:
One thing I did not understand however, is why there were only X-wings? You are attacking a base on a planet and you don't even bring Y-wings to the battles??!! I know they are going to top off the space and lightsaber (and we'll probbaly have ground as well) battles in the next episodes, so they did not want to go full out, but come on... at least bring two and say these were the only ones they could get ready in time or something. That annoyed me more than anything.

My guess would be that X-Wings have evolved further to serve as a versatile fighter-bomber craft rather than just a fighter.

Y-Wings were phased out once someone figured out how to put Proton Torpedoes on X-Wings. The only advantage the Y-Wing has over the X-Wing is shielding and a heavier nose cannon (which is really just over kill). X-Wings are an all purpose air superiority/bomber.

I am kinda surprised they didn't bring the A-Wing though (the ship that crashed into the bridge of a super star destroyed in ROTJ). Those eat TIE Fighters for breakfast, they are so fast

Didn't X-wing already have that? I know they had torpedoes, as I believe it was a torpedo shot which destroyed the first Death Star, and you could shoot them in SW: Rogue Squadron as well. Also, didn't Y-wings had a projectile which resembled some kind of static ball (like the ones Tie Bombers were dropping), with the ability to even carpet bomb?

I just find it really dumb if it's true that now we have these new X-wings which replaced everything else. Not only I refuse to believe that you can make an aircraft into the best air-to-ground AND the best air-to-air plane simultaneously, it totally kills the vibe of a real fleet. We already had X, Y, A, and B-wings in the original trilogy and you just knew shit was real when they showed up at the same time. Now, instead of getting more of those, I'm here wondering if X-wings will shoot out tow cables at AT-ATs from now on.

I missed the Tie Interceptors as well, they were the coolest.

From what I understand from the art books and the novelization, the Resistance is way smaller than even the Rebel Alliance. The New Republic, which I'm sure still has a variety of ships, only tolerates the Resistance and doesn't even support them much, if at all. So it makes sense that the Restance would have to rely on a small fleet of the most well-rounded fighter that they could field.

But then why is the New Republic allowing the First Order to exist in peace. Surely those 2 factions should be at war? The Order are the remnants of the Empire after all.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 12:01:53
December 23 2015 12:00 GMT
#2650
I got the impression that it was the other way around, that the First Order tolerates the existence of the Republic. That is, untill they decided to blow up their planets.
sorry for dem one liners
Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
December 23 2015 12:07 GMT
#2651
On December 23 2015 20:43 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2015 17:29 eviltomahawk wrote:
On December 23 2015 16:15 Volband wrote:
On December 23 2015 09:44 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On December 23 2015 00:37 LegalLord wrote:
On December 23 2015 00:09 Volband wrote:
One thing I did not understand however, is why there were only X-wings? You are attacking a base on a planet and you don't even bring Y-wings to the battles??!! I know they are going to top off the space and lightsaber (and we'll probbaly have ground as well) battles in the next episodes, so they did not want to go full out, but come on... at least bring two and say these were the only ones they could get ready in time or something. That annoyed me more than anything.

My guess would be that X-Wings have evolved further to serve as a versatile fighter-bomber craft rather than just a fighter.

Y-Wings were phased out once someone figured out how to put Proton Torpedoes on X-Wings. The only advantage the Y-Wing has over the X-Wing is shielding and a heavier nose cannon (which is really just over kill). X-Wings are an all purpose air superiority/bomber.

I am kinda surprised they didn't bring the A-Wing though (the ship that crashed into the bridge of a super star destroyed in ROTJ). Those eat TIE Fighters for breakfast, they are so fast

Didn't X-wing already have that? I know they had torpedoes, as I believe it was a torpedo shot which destroyed the first Death Star, and you could shoot them in SW: Rogue Squadron as well. Also, didn't Y-wings had a projectile which resembled some kind of static ball (like the ones Tie Bombers were dropping), with the ability to even carpet bomb?

I just find it really dumb if it's true that now we have these new X-wings which replaced everything else. Not only I refuse to believe that you can make an aircraft into the best air-to-ground AND the best air-to-air plane simultaneously, it totally kills the vibe of a real fleet. We already had X, Y, A, and B-wings in the original trilogy and you just knew shit was real when they showed up at the same time. Now, instead of getting more of those, I'm here wondering if X-wings will shoot out tow cables at AT-ATs from now on.

I missed the Tie Interceptors as well, they were the coolest.

From what I understand from the art books and the novelization, the Resistance is way smaller than even the Rebel Alliance. The New Republic, which I'm sure still has a variety of ships, only tolerates the Resistance and doesn't even support them much, if at all. So it makes sense that the Restance would have to rely on a small fleet of the most well-rounded fighter that they could field.

But then why is the New Republic allowing the First Order to exist in peace. Surely those 2 factions should be at war? The Order are the remnants of the Empire after all.


First Order is supposed to be a new player growing fast, coming from the "unknown regions" and building on scattered remnants of the Empire. They developped outside of New Republic borders and probably became visible only when they moved in the "outer rim", already organized. The senate is still discussing on the best course of action when it gets destroyed (their inaction triggers the creation of the Resistance by Leia).

Why didn't the New Republic manage to keep an eye on Empire remnants and why didn't they get information about the First Order faster ? My guess is they ran out of Bothans during the Endor war.
Coooot
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
December 23 2015 12:18 GMT
#2652
On December 23 2015 21:07 Oshuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2015 20:43 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 23 2015 17:29 eviltomahawk wrote:
On December 23 2015 16:15 Volband wrote:
On December 23 2015 09:44 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On December 23 2015 00:37 LegalLord wrote:
On December 23 2015 00:09 Volband wrote:
One thing I did not understand however, is why there were only X-wings? You are attacking a base on a planet and you don't even bring Y-wings to the battles??!! I know they are going to top off the space and lightsaber (and we'll probbaly have ground as well) battles in the next episodes, so they did not want to go full out, but come on... at least bring two and say these were the only ones they could get ready in time or something. That annoyed me more than anything.

My guess would be that X-Wings have evolved further to serve as a versatile fighter-bomber craft rather than just a fighter.

Y-Wings were phased out once someone figured out how to put Proton Torpedoes on X-Wings. The only advantage the Y-Wing has over the X-Wing is shielding and a heavier nose cannon (which is really just over kill). X-Wings are an all purpose air superiority/bomber.

I am kinda surprised they didn't bring the A-Wing though (the ship that crashed into the bridge of a super star destroyed in ROTJ). Those eat TIE Fighters for breakfast, they are so fast

Didn't X-wing already have that? I know they had torpedoes, as I believe it was a torpedo shot which destroyed the first Death Star, and you could shoot them in SW: Rogue Squadron as well. Also, didn't Y-wings had a projectile which resembled some kind of static ball (like the ones Tie Bombers were dropping), with the ability to even carpet bomb?

I just find it really dumb if it's true that now we have these new X-wings which replaced everything else. Not only I refuse to believe that you can make an aircraft into the best air-to-ground AND the best air-to-air plane simultaneously, it totally kills the vibe of a real fleet. We already had X, Y, A, and B-wings in the original trilogy and you just knew shit was real when they showed up at the same time. Now, instead of getting more of those, I'm here wondering if X-wings will shoot out tow cables at AT-ATs from now on.

I missed the Tie Interceptors as well, they were the coolest.

From what I understand from the art books and the novelization, the Resistance is way smaller than even the Rebel Alliance. The New Republic, which I'm sure still has a variety of ships, only tolerates the Resistance and doesn't even support them much, if at all. So it makes sense that the Restance would have to rely on a small fleet of the most well-rounded fighter that they could field.

But then why is the New Republic allowing the First Order to exist in peace. Surely those 2 factions should be at war? The Order are the remnants of the Empire after all.


First Order is supposed to be a new player growing fast, coming from the "unknown regions" and building on scattered remnants of the Empire. They developped outside of New Republic borders and probably became visible only when they moved in the "outer rim", already organized. The senate is still discussing on the best course of action when it gets destroyed (their inaction triggers the creation of the Resistance by Leia).

Why didn't the New Republic manage to keep an eye on Empire remnants and why didn't they get information about the First Order faster ? My guess is they ran out of Bothans during the Endor war.


How the heck is anyone supposed to know this from the movie? All I know is that there is something called "First Order" with a big gun and a big flagship, a "Republic" with god-knows-what and a "Resistance" with a dozen X-Wings.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
December 23 2015 12:35 GMT
#2653
On December 23 2015 20:08 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2015 19:51 TerransHill wrote:
Anyone else think that the whole scene where they force Phasma to deactivate the shields is kinda funny? The terminal is in a small room where noone is working and they manage to bring her there without anyone noticing.
Wouldn't such a terminal be in some kind of tower where alot of people work ( like in an airport )? It actually should be in the big control room where general ginger spends most of his time. Or are there just tons of terminals all around the station from where you can deactivate the shields?? This is such lazy writing, it hurts. They could as well just not mention the shields at all.

I agree. Also she's the leader of the Stormtroopers and willingly deactivates the shield? No fight? No subtle trap? Just "Ok here ya go. They are off, Have a good day"

Lame

I was really expecting the ol' switcharoo when they weren't paying attention to her. Have her fake the whole thing then boom regiment of Storm Troopers pop in and they really write the cast into a corner. I'm still mulling everything over in my head though.

Rookie6
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil583 Posts
December 23 2015 12:50 GMT
#2654
Am I the only one who thinks that most of these nitpicks don´t make much sense when people ignore the OT?

I mean, I understand people don´t liking some things, but it doesn´t make sense when you are treating it as something exclusive of TFA.

Talking about "mind rape", I saw someone saying Kylo is the first one to do it and it looked OP. Vader against Luke in ep VI discovers about Leia being his sister in the middle of the fight. He isn´t even seeing Luke, Luke is already a trained Jedi and isn´t tied up in a chair. I would say that is way more impressive.

About Rey having lightsaber skills without training them, it is never shown Luke practicing with the lightsaber against another lightsaber user. His whole training with Yoda is about mastering the Force, more of a mental training, and he goes toe to toe against Vader! (ep VI). He had some experience against "normal" foes though... But for me, this can mean that duel skill is also related to how much control and understanding of the force you have, not only just practicing fencing.

I think the one thing that I would change in the last fight is making Kylo´s wound more evident, but I only saw the movie once so far, so I have to see it again to have a more precise opinion. People here are also ignoring that the guy just killed his father a few minutes ago and they spent the whole movie saying how emotionally unstable he was.

I also read a theory that when Rey is concentrating she is actually getting in Kylo´s mind again (which is the one trick she learned during the movie) and absorbs some of his fighting know how.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22131 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 13:03:42
December 23 2015 13:02 GMT
#2655
On December 23 2015 21:50 Rookie6 wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that most of these nitpicks don´t make much sense when people ignore the OT?

I mean, I understand people don´t liking some things, but it doesn´t make sense when you are treating it as something exclusive of TFA.

Talking about "mind rape", I saw someone saying Kylo is the first one to do it and it looked OP. Vader against Luke in ep VI discovers about Leia being his sister in the middle of the fight. He isn´t even seeing Luke, Luke is already a trained Jedi and isn´t tied up in a chair. I would say that is way more impressive.

About Rey having lightsaber skills without training them, it is never shown Luke practicing with the lightsaber against another lightsaber user. His whole training with Yoda is about mastering the Force, more of a mental training, and he goes toe to toe against Vader! (ep VI). He had some experience against "normal" foes though... But for me, this can mean that duel skill is also related to how much control and understanding of the force you have, not only just practicing fencing.

I think the one thing that I would change in the last fight is making Kylo´s wound more evident, but I only saw the movie once so far, so I have to see it again to have a more precise opinion. People here are also ignoring that the guy just killed his father a few minutes ago and they spent the whole movie saying how emotionally unstable he was.

I also read a theory that when Rey is concentrating she is actually getting in Kylo´s mind again (which is the one trick she learned during the movie) and absorbs some of his fighting know how.

For Luke we are atleast shown him practicing with his saber on board the Falcon with Ben.
Rey is proficient from the moment she first touches a saber.

Those small scenes show character development that lets us fill in the blanks ourselves.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Rookie6
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil583 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 13:09:43
December 23 2015 13:08 GMT
#2656
On December 23 2015 22:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2015 21:50 Rookie6 wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that most of these nitpicks don´t make much sense when people ignore the OT?

I mean, I understand people don´t liking some things, but it doesn´t make sense when you are treating it as something exclusive of TFA.

Talking about "mind rape", I saw someone saying Kylo is the first one to do it and it looked OP. Vader against Luke in ep VI discovers about Leia being his sister in the middle of the fight. He isn´t even seeing Luke, Luke is already a trained Jedi and isn´t tied up in a chair. I would say that is way more impressive.

About Rey having lightsaber skills without training them, it is never shown Luke practicing with the lightsaber against another lightsaber user. His whole training with Yoda is about mastering the Force, more of a mental training, and he goes toe to toe against Vader! (ep VI). He had some experience against "normal" foes though... But for me, this can mean that duel skill is also related to how much control and understanding of the force you have, not only just practicing fencing.

I think the one thing that I would change in the last fight is making Kylo´s wound more evident, but I only saw the movie once so far, so I have to see it again to have a more precise opinion. People here are also ignoring that the guy just killed his father a few minutes ago and they spent the whole movie saying how emotionally unstable he was.

I also read a theory that when Rey is concentrating she is actually getting in Kylo´s mind again (which is the one trick she learned during the movie) and absorbs some of his fighting know how.

For Luke we are atleast shown him practicing with his saber on board the Falcon with Ben.
Rey is proficient from the moment she first touches a saber.

Those small scenes show character development that lets us fill in the blanks ourselves.


I don´t know... it was shown him deflecting laser shots, not dueling, and I can easily say "at least we were shown Rey fighting those two guys in Jakku with her staff" and that scene had the same objective of "filling the blanks" that she has great dueling skills with a melee weapon.

I can understand where you are coming from, but I don´t agree.
Timelog
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands57 Posts
December 23 2015 13:17 GMT
#2657
I think the one thing that I would change in the last fight is making Kylo´s wound more evident, but I only saw the movie once so far, so I have to see it again to have a more precise opinion
Well, they did try that, He keeps hitting the spot where he got hit, possibly to anger himself, but also to "numb" it.

I also read a theory that when Rey is concentrating she is actually getting in Kylo´s mind again (which is the one trick she learned during the movie) and absorbs some of his fighting know how.
I am quite sure that that is the case, because right before she does the whole concentrating part he basically offers her to train her. I think at that point he, possibly subconsciously, opens his mind to her, allowing her to tap into his knowledge.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
December 23 2015 13:19 GMT
#2658
On December 23 2015 22:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2015 21:50 Rookie6 wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that most of these nitpicks don´t make much sense when people ignore the OT?

I mean, I understand people don´t liking some things, but it doesn´t make sense when you are treating it as something exclusive of TFA.

Talking about "mind rape", I saw someone saying Kylo is the first one to do it and it looked OP. Vader against Luke in ep VI discovers about Leia being his sister in the middle of the fight. He isn´t even seeing Luke, Luke is already a trained Jedi and isn´t tied up in a chair. I would say that is way more impressive.

About Rey having lightsaber skills without training them, it is never shown Luke practicing with the lightsaber against another lightsaber user. His whole training with Yoda is about mastering the Force, more of a mental training, and he goes toe to toe against Vader! (ep VI). He had some experience against "normal" foes though... But for me, this can mean that duel skill is also related to how much control and understanding of the force you have, not only just practicing fencing.

I think the one thing that I would change in the last fight is making Kylo´s wound more evident, but I only saw the movie once so far, so I have to see it again to have a more precise opinion. People here are also ignoring that the guy just killed his father a few minutes ago and they spent the whole movie saying how emotionally unstable he was.

I also read a theory that when Rey is concentrating she is actually getting in Kylo´s mind again (which is the one trick she learned during the movie) and absorbs some of his fighting know how.

For Luke we are atleast shown him practicing with his saber on board the Falcon with Ben.
Rey is proficient from the moment she first touches a saber.

Those small scenes show character development that lets us fill in the blanks ourselves.

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but she is shown as being proficient with her staff. I wouldn't say that is 1:1 for training the saber skills, but it isn't General Jar Jar.
Rookie6
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil583 Posts
December 23 2015 13:21 GMT
#2659
On December 23 2015 22:17 Timelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think the one thing that I would change in the last fight is making Kylo´s wound more evident, but I only saw the movie once so far, so I have to see it again to have a more precise opinion
Well, they did try that, He keeps hitting the spot where he got hit, possibly to anger himself, but also to "numb" it.

Show nested quote +
I also read a theory that when Rey is concentrating she is actually getting in Kylo´s mind again (which is the one trick she learned during the movie) and absorbs some of his fighting know how.
I am quite sure that that is the case, because right before she does the whole concentrating part he basically offers her to train her. I think at that point he, possibly subconsciously, opens his mind to her, allowing her to tap into his knowledge.


It´s just that I wouldn´t mind some more blood dropping from him, but I have to watch it again. Not a bid deal after all though.

And I quite like this theory, since they emphasize Rey´s mental skills a lot during the movie. And downgrade Kylo´s...
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 13:35:26
December 23 2015 13:26 GMT
#2660
I thought it was fairly obvious that Kylo is the one who taught what Rey knows of the Force, especially the mind trick. When Rey resisted the "mind rape" from sheer strength of will (probably a natural emanation of her Force talent), she also peered back into what Kylo was doing.
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