On May 18 2014 21:12 Ramong wrote: What is with the hate ?
I personally really enjoyed it. Best movie I have seen this year yet. And definitely better that Pacific Rim.
It did have some problems, like in Nevada when they check the nuclear stockpile and somehow missed the big monster leaving and yes, it started out slow. But I liked how it wasn't one big Godzilla fight, would have been boring I think. I liked how we got teased with Godzilla for a long time.
And that scene on the bridge in the forest! Was godly
If I have to continued the trend of giving it a score, I would give it 7/10 (which is good in my book)
There's a divide between people who expected monster fighting porn like Pacific Rim/Transformers, and people who expected a Godzilla movie (disaster movie, told through human element with lots of tension.)
Even for group #2, there's lots of issues with the movie like the weak message, script, Watanabe, characterization of Godzilla as a hero/protector. But it was beautifully directed, with a lot of excellent design and clever scenes. Much moreso than Pacific Rim, imo.
But by making the message/script so weak and portraying Godzilla as a hero, they basically took humanity off the hook (outside of Watanabe's stupid line.) It succeeds tremendously at showing how vulnerable we are, but it falls short in showing how we brought it upon ourselves. We see Vegas and SF get destroyed, but we don't see them made unlivable. What lessons were humans supposed to learn from it? They didn't do a good job with that.
Overall, I still liked it quite a lot. It's a shame the family portions were mediocre, because every other part of the movie worked to situate the viewer as a part of the world. And I don't think Johnson was the problem, I think it was the script/decision making of the character (which obviously the actor doesn't control.) He was certainly better than Charlie Hunnam was, and I'd say not much worse than Chris Evans in Cap1.
I don't know if that is actually true. There are lots of different types of Godzilla movies, many of which focus on Godzilla the Protector as he fights a lot of monsters. Just look at most of the Showa Godzillas, or even as recently as Godzilla Final Wars. They were definitely Godzilla movies, portrayed Godzilla in a more or less heroic way, and stuffed tons of monster fighting in them. There is a segment of Godzilla fans who wanted something like that. I knew this wasn't going to be one of those types Godzilla movies, but even if you compare it to the Heisei Godzilla movies where he is a villain, there was still more monster fighting in them.
I can't believe Pacific Rim is getting this much hate here. I also don't think there is a divide between "If you liked Pacific Rim, you didn't like this movie".
On May 18 2014 21:12 Ramong wrote: What is with the hate ?
I personally really enjoyed it. Best movie I have seen this year yet. And definitely better that Pacific Rim.
It did have some problems, like in Nevada when they check the nuclear stockpile and somehow missed the big monster leaving and yes, it started out slow. But I liked how it wasn't one big Godzilla fight, would have been boring I think. I liked how we got teased with Godzilla for a long time.
And that scene on the bridge in the forest! Was godly
If I have to continued the trend of giving it a score, I would give it 7/10 (which is good in my book)
There's a divide between people who expected monster fighting porn like Pacific Rim/Transformers, and people who expected a Godzilla movie (disaster movie, told through human element with lots of tension.)
Even for group #2, there's lots of issues with the movie like the weak message, script, Watanabe, characterization of Godzilla as a hero/protector. But it was beautifully directed, with a lot of excellent design and clever scenes. Much moreso than Pacific Rim, imo.
But by making the message/script so weak and portraying Godzilla as a hero, they basically took humanity off the hook (outside of Watanabe's stupid line.) It succeeds tremendously at showing how vulnerable we are, but it falls short in showing how we brought it upon ourselves. We see Vegas and SF get destroyed, but we don't see them made unlivable. What lessons were humans supposed to learn from it? They didn't do a good job with that.
Overall, I still liked it quite a lot. It's a shame the family portions were mediocre, because every other part of the movie worked to situate the viewer as a part of the world. And I don't think Johnson was the problem, I think it was the script/decision making of the character (which obviously the actor doesn't control.) He was certainly better than Charlie Hunnam was, and I'd say not much worse than Chris Evans in Cap1.
I don't know if that is actually true. There are lots of different types of Godzilla movies, many of which focus on Godzilla the Protector as he fights a lot of monsters. Just look at most of the Showa Godzillas, or even as recently as Godzilla Final Wars. They were definitely Godzilla movies, portrayed Godzilla in a more or less heroic way, and stuffed tons of monster fighting in them. There is a segment of Godzilla fans who wanted something like that. I knew this wasn't going to be one of those types Godzilla movies, but even if you compare it to the Heisei Godzilla movies where he is a villain, there was still more monster fighting in them.
I can't believe Pacific Rim is getting this much hate here. I also don't think there is a divide between "If you liked Pacific Rim, you didn't like this movie".
I don't think it was in most of the Showa Godzillas. In a few he's straight up hero (the really campy stuff later on, like around when they decided he should fly,) but most of the time his role only inadvertently became protector, as in he was more pissed at the other monsters than he was at humanity. He still caused an enormous amount of destruction and retaliated when humans attacked him. You essentially had 3 parties in conflict.
In this he doesn't even behave like a predator. He's indifferent to humans, even when they're attacking him, and when he finally gets his kill, he just walks off into the sunset (almost literally.) At the very least, he should've been more carnal and actually ate his prey. Godzilla's motivations were completely selfless, which really isn't a hallmark of most of the series. Usually there's a self-preservation element.
Have to agree with everyone saying that they killed Bryan Cranston off too early and that the first 20-30 minutes were good but that the rest sucked. The script was incredibly weak and there was not enough action to keep me entertained in lieu of a decent plot. I wouldn't have cared if they had done both well, or even if they had done a good enough job on both, but they chose to half ass the action and had a really shitty plot/script which made it completely unbelievable and disengaged me from the characters.
I expected a lot from a movie that had a 9.2/10 on IMDb at one point. It didn't deliver on any level. I'd give it maybe a 4.5/10 or a 5/10. If you want pure action, there are better. If you want good action with good writing, there are better. If you want anything other than some nice CG effects and maybe 5 minutes worth of cool fighting scenes, there are better movies. I'd recommend skipping it.
On May 18 2014 21:12 Ramong wrote: What is with the hate ?
I personally really enjoyed it. Best movie I have seen this year yet. And definitely better that Pacific Rim.
It did have some problems, like in Nevada when they check the nuclear stockpile and somehow missed the big monster leaving and yes, it started out slow. But I liked how it wasn't one big Godzilla fight, would have been boring I think. I liked how we got teased with Godzilla for a long time.
And that scene on the bridge in the forest! Was godly
If I have to continued the trend of giving it a score, I would give it 7/10 (which is good in my book)
There's a divide between people who expected monster fighting porn like Pacific Rim/Transformers, and people who expected a Godzilla movie (disaster movie, told through human element with lots of tension.)
Even for group #2, there's lots of issues with the movie like the weak message, script, Watanabe, characterization of Godzilla as a hero/protector. But it was beautifully directed, with a lot of excellent design and clever scenes. Much moreso than Pacific Rim, imo.
But by making the message/script so weak and portraying Godzilla as a hero, they basically took humanity off the hook (outside of Watanabe's stupid line.) It succeeds tremendously at showing how vulnerable we are, but it falls short in showing how we brought it upon ourselves. We see Vegas and SF get destroyed, but we don't see them made unlivable. What lessons were humans supposed to learn from it? They didn't do a good job with that.
Overall, I still liked it quite a lot. It's a shame the family portions were mediocre, because every other part of the movie worked to situate the viewer as a part of the world. And I don't think Johnson was the problem, I think it was the script/decision making of the character (which obviously the actor doesn't control.) He was certainly better than Charlie Hunnam was, and I'd say not much worse than Chris Evans in Cap1.
I don't know if that is actually true. There are lots of different types of Godzilla movies, many of which focus on Godzilla the Protector as he fights a lot of monsters. Just look at most of the Showa Godzillas, or even as recently as Godzilla Final Wars. They were definitely Godzilla movies, portrayed Godzilla in a more or less heroic way, and stuffed tons of monster fighting in them. There is a segment of Godzilla fans who wanted something like that. I knew this wasn't going to be one of those types Godzilla movies, but even if you compare it to the Heisei Godzilla movies where he is a villain, there was still more monster fighting in them.
I can't believe Pacific Rim is getting this much hate here. I also don't think there is a divide between "If you liked Pacific Rim, you didn't like this movie".
I don't think it was in most of the Showa Godzillas. In a few he's straight up hero (the really campy stuff later on, like around when they decided he should fly,) but most of the time his role only inadvertently became protector, as in he was more pissed at the other monsters than he was at humanity. He still caused an enormous amount of destruction and retaliated when humans attacked him. You essentially had 3 parties in conflict.
In this he doesn't even behave like a predator. He's indifferent to humans, even when they're attacking him, and when he finally gets his kill, he just walks off into the sunset (almost literally.) At the very least, he should've been more carnal and actually ate his prey. Godzilla's motivations were completely selfless, which really isn't a hallmark of most of the series. Usually there's a self-preservation element.
There is always collateral damage, but after the first Ghidorah movie (which was like the... 5th? Showa film?) he was firmly in the semi-hero role. Godzilla movies didn't become disaster movies again until the Heisei series. He'd always turn up just to defeat the new bad monster, and then leave. Which is pretty much like how this movie was. I'd say that at LEAST half of all Godzilla movies had Godzilla protrayed in a positive light.
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I didn't see the portrayal of Godzilla as a hero very direct in this movie, I mean come on, he just destroyed the Golden Gate Bridge with buses full of kids and civilians, and his body blocking the missiles was just a coincidence. Rather I believe Godzilla to be a force of nature who does not discriminate between collateral damage similar to how a hurricane simply exists and damages, not as a moral force but as a natural one. Did Godzilla intend to save humanity from the MUTOs? I doubt it cause that just happened to overlap with balancing nature and Godzilla would be all too happy to do the duty.
As far as the human characters go it was a bad choice in having Aaron Taylor-Johnson and his family be the focal point of the human story when I felt a combination of Cranston and Watanabe as the leads would have been fantastic. Typically scientists have been important characters to a Godzilla plot, and when Watanabe went, "I need those two" I had really hoped Cranston would have survived somehow to have lasted longer in the story. And of course, how does the main character just happen to end up where the MUTOs and Godzilla would end up is just beyond me and a MUTO escaping a heavily guarded nuclear waste disposal site with no alarm was just dumb.
As for the big G, it was disappointing seeing him barely have a presence outside of the last quarter of the movie. We get it, building hype for the character is important but when the titular monster is only in it for about a good 6-10 minutes you have to wonder whether they were trying to buy more time but just couldn't afford it so had to resort to cut-aways. It was all compensated by the big kaiju fights, and don't tell me you didn't get hyped as fuck when you saw the back fins glow blue and Godzilla did the finisher on mama MUTO.
This movie was a solid 7.5/10 even though I hate rating things out of 10. It had some great parts and a few weak parts which could have been solved easily but I assume if it wasn't a "serious movie with military stuff" it wouldn't work in Hollywood. As for the comparisons with Pacific Rim this wasn't as much of a neon-lighty comic book movie so I don't think comparisons are too valid but as a kaiju movie this felt better.
As a huge godzilla fan who's seen basically all of them, this movie was fucking perfect. It was classic godzilla plot, with just the right amount of fanservice, really really gorgeous directing, I loved it.
I loved that they kept the monsters not constantly onscreen for most of the beginning, you got to see them from a human scale and it made them much more climactic whenever they appear, especially for the classic final battle which was fucking great contrast to that. Its a monster movie rule that when you want the monster to have impact, the times you DONT show them are far more important than when you do (see Jaws etc). Also major respect for not spoiling the fire breath in any prerelease content so when he pulls it out its total surprise.
I was very impressed with the cinematography as well, some scenes were really well put together. I particularly loved the scene on the train bridge, the sense of scale was just palpable and the sound was fantastic.
It wasn't perfect, Watanabe had literally one expression the entire movie and the soundtrack was a bit heavy handed, lead actors weren't amazing but just servicable, godzilla was pretty chubby. But honesly it didn't hurt the film as a whole.
I just loved it, totally quintessential godzilla movie. 9/10 was very entertained. Pacific rim can suck my dick.
Saw Godzilla yesterday and I have to say that it was fucking awesome.
I also agree with the fact that they didn't show the monsters constantly because it gives the monsters more impact everytime they are on screen. The fights were well done because you either saw them fighting on the TV, on the ground, or from a helicopter. So, when the final fight happened it was just that more amazing. The fact that they hid the lightning breath from the trailers is cool to because I can imagine the conversations "We have to show that segment where Godzilla has lightning breath! That'd make Godzilla be even cooler" and can picture the director just straight up "No."
I was rather surprised that Bryan Cranston got killed off at like half hour into the movie. I didn't really care for the writing but the story was at least a little bit interesting. Was fun arguing with my friend when the first monster appeared "DUDE, thats Mothra!" and hes like "Nah, doesn't look like it".
Godzilla just looked awesome and for people saying he looked fat like what do you expect a giant monster to look like? Do you expect a giant monster to come out with a 6 pack and look like its found some steroids just floating around? Godzilla looked perfectly fine. I'm calling the monster with wings "Mothra" because I can.
I'm giving the movie 9/10 because I was majorly entertained and I just couldn't stop smiling when Godzilla was on screen and the fights, the tension, was well done.
Pacific Rim is nothing like this. When you see a monster in that movie your just like "Oh look another monster and its going to fight. Sigh"
I wish they cut this movie a ton differently. I wish the movie started at the parachuting scene near the end and just had bryan cranston in on flashbacks. The movie really tried to tell a story and explain everything well but its called fucking godzilla I want my giant lizard fighting monsters. The fighting at the end was amazingly told inbetween the humans saving the day and giveing their lives in defiance of nature.
Dear god the visuals on that parachuting scene made me cry with how awe inspiring it was. the red flares falling from the sky representing hope coming to the buring wreckage of a major city. I will one day have a picture of it framed and on my wall looking like a painting and I will be satisfied.
Pacific rim was about giant robots fighting giant monsters, fuck you for trying to tell me its anything else.
I at first wanted a Pacific Rim style Godzilla brawl, but it was extremely different and I am really glad it was. Godzilla had a lot of suspense where as Pacific Rim was just "we're getting to the action hold on" then it gets to robots versus monsters. They were both were meant to fit a different role and I loved each one. That being said I enjoyed Godzilla much more.
Also I do not understand people being upset with godzilla's size. He is a big powerhouse and being "chunky" sort of makes sense. I think it just made him look more intimidating.
So what the last few posters are saying is that they didn't show lightning breath in the trailer but it happens in the movie as a surprise. Awesome, can't wait to go see it now and be surprised!
On May 20 2014 10:52 Takuma wrote: So what the last few posters are saying is that they didn't show lightning breath in the trailer but it happens in the movie as a surprise. Awesome, can't wait to go see it now and be surprised!
yes and you will mark out so hard when he uses it especially the first and last times
On May 20 2014 08:17 Sermokala wrote: I wish they cut this movie a ton differently. I wish the movie started at the parachuting scene near the end and just had bryan cranston in on flashbacks. The movie really tried to tell a story and explain everything well but its called fucking godzilla I want my giant lizard fighting monsters. The fighting at the end was amazingly told inbetween the humans saving the day and giveing their lives in defiance of nature.
Dear god the visuals on that parachuting scene made me cry with how awe inspiring it was. the red flares falling from the sky representing hope coming to the buring wreckage of a major city. I will one day have a picture of it framed and on my wall looking like a painting and I will be satisfied.
Pacific rim was about giant robots fighting giant monsters, fuck you for trying to tell me its anything else.
I think that the monster fighting scenes in Godzilla were pretty weak. Pacific Rim is a different kind of movie, but it pretty much set the bar for monster-involving combat sequences and this bar is pretty damn high.
Overall, MUTOL design was very weak, Godzilla itself was fine. They killed off the only interesting character in the movie, leaving only weak and bland personalities, not good.
And don't get inspired by the parachuting scene. Remember that it was because of them that they had to do it in the first place.
"Let's use this nuke over here to lure the monsters." "OK, where would you have us take it?" "San Francisco of course." "Hey, my wife and kid are there, can I tag along?"
All in all, this movie was good, no more and no less
The stuff that was important was spot on. Godzilla looked, sounded, "acted" perfect. The fights that we got was amazing On a technical level the movie was pretty amazing. Effects were wonderful, sound design good, cinematography were great. Breaking Dad was..... simple amazing. I haven't seen Breaking Bad yet (saving it for now) but every scene he was in i was in love)
The stuff that wasn't as good was obivous. Main character was bland, so was the rest of the cast, Japanse guy had way to few lines and the same expression. Lucky the the Main character was SO busy all the time that even that that he was boring as fuck, he had so much to do that you could live it.
Also the fact that Breaking Dad was 10x times more interesting and better acting than the rest, the movies heart dissapeared with him. It was hard not to be dissapointed with that
My biggest gripe with the movies was the FUCKING cutaways from the fights, oh my god. See i don't mind that you cut away mid action. My problem (like for others) was that it did it SO quick and out of nowhere, it was frustrating)
But when i really think about it, nothing in the movie was Bad. The characters were boring, but they never annoyed me like in Transformers (1-3), Prometheus, Star Trek etc. and i have to give it credit for that
It almost feels like the biggest problem with the film was that it almost was TO faithful to the source material. Godzilla was a neutral-hero, alot of focus on the people around, less monster fights (just rewatched Destroy All Monsters, and even in that there are like max 10-15 min monster action).
It's a wierd movie. on the one hand it was frustrating in some aspect because you wanted to be even better than it was. But on the other hand nothing was terrible or bad, just okay.
Overall: either 6,5 or 7/10. I'm super glad that its such a succes, so we can see sequels where they hopefully will bring some classic monsters in (if Toho allows it).
When I was little, Godzilla was always about giant monsters coming out of nowhere to challenge Godzilla or take over the world and Godzilla have claim the territory by saying "No this place is MINE GTFO!" to the monster while human scientists and military gave background commentary about what is going on until Ultraman came to fend off against the monsters themselves. T'was sort of like a MMA/UFC of epic porpotion.
That being said, this movie offered NOTHING of such. It wasn't particular bad but they wanted to take a more "dark" approach to the character.
Pacific Rim satisfied the inner child of me better than this movie but I have to see whether or not Godzilla's sequel will be more visually active.
At Comic-con, they teased some about what monsters might appear in Godzilla 2. Apparently Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah all got their names thrown out there as teasers. If Godzilla 2 actually will have those three in addition to Godzilla himself, and "cut away" during every monster fight like this past one, then Godzilla 2 has all my want.
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