Hey everyone! I know this may be quite early, as the movie is slated for a 2014 release date, but I was still surprised to find no mention of this movie on TL, especially after all of the buzz generated from Comic Con this year. It's actually quite funny because Legendary's panel at Comic Con focused mainly on the Batman series, the new Superman that they're making, and the movie titled Pacific Rim. They only released a short teaser for Godzilla, but it seems to be the only thing people actually cared about (check out the comments on Legendary's Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/LegendaryEnt).
I'm not sure about the rest of you guys, but I essentially grew up with Godzilla. I was one of those kids that would watch all the Godzilla films, and then walk around the house all slow pretending I was Godzilla, shooting my atomic breath at tables and chairs in the house. I absolutely love the idea of Godzilla, and I've been longing for a real reboot to the franchise, with big budget effects and proper direction and everything. The 1998 Emmerich Godzilla totally butchered the idea (I mean cmon, how does Godzilla die to 2 airplanes???) and I felt that all hope was lost after I saw that awful movie. However, with all the info on this new Godzilla, I've become reinvigorated again. Legendary Pictures, the studio responsible for the awesome, dark, and realistic rendition of Batman, along with the writer for the Batman movies, along with a director who really "gets Godzilla?" It's truly a dream come true... I hope.
Anyways, to me, Godzilla is meant to be this unstoppable force of nature... more similar to a hurricane or earthquake, rather than that T-Rex thing from the 1998 version. Humans are not meant to be on even footing with such an elemental force. They simply need to weather the storm and hope for the best. I think, and hope, that Legendary understands that.
With this painting, I was hoping to convey that sheer power of Godzilla. Complete devastation of the city, and ridiculous scale that Godzilla is meant to embody. I'm actually going back to school (post graduate studies) for Entertainment art and design... so painting matte paintings like this definitely of high interest for me.
If anyone is interested, here's some more info about me and my art here --> + Show Spoiler +
I actually finished my studies at UC Berkeley as an environmental engineer... and actually worked as a professional engineer for 4 years. I decided in this past 3 months to make a complete 180, and quit my job, and go full on into the entertainment art and design industry. I've only just started taking classes about 10 weeks ago, so I'm definitely still learning. This is really my first real attempt at digital painting, but I was really happy with the results! My blogspot featuring all of my school and personal works is here: http://tcloreart.blogspot.com/
So, with this post, I was wondering if anyone else "grew up with Godzilla?" I was surprised that there was no Godzilla thread when I searched it.. as I kind of expected the average age of people on TL would have known Godzilla as kids. Please discuss your thoughts on the information released thus far on the movie!
Wow great trailer.. it looks alot darker and more serious than the 98 one.
Despite how bad the 98 one was, it's still an enjoyable romp if you turn your brain off and appreciate the effects. Though dated they still look pretty good today.
I'm really hoping for a dark, bleak giant monster movie without the dumb humor that we have had recently. You know, humanity brought to the brink of destruction, etc etc. Like how the new batman movies compare to the 90s ones.
OP: Your art link is dead... can you update with a new one?
the most "shocking" scene for me was the scene with the train and the dead people. none of the 27 godzilla films (or the 1 us iguana) showed his destruction as much as this little trailer imho. He was rarely shown hurting people, mostly only crashing evacuated cities and other kaijus. And i really pray that this movie won't get ruined by cheap humour and glossy effects. Looks promising, i hope they'll keep the gritty look and the dark style. let's hope Gareth makes a good Godzilla out of this creature c:
I really hope that they use minimal CG for this film and rely more on the traditional special effects that are the staple of the series. The animatronic suits just look so much better than the full CG rendering in movies like Pacific Rim.
On October 15 2013 05:08 claybones wrote: I really hope that they use minimal CG for this film and rely more on the traditional special effects that are the staple of the series. The animatronic suits just look so much better than the full CG rendering in movies like Pacific Rim.
Much as I am a fan of the traditional Godzilla with the big rubber suit, I really don't mind if they go full CG. As long as we don't have another Godzilla 1998 to turn into some weak monster that gets owned in a subsequent Japanese made Godzilla movie.
It was really satisfying to see the 1998 "Godzilla" get owned in Godzilla: Final Wars.
I must respectfully ask, can you think of one full CG movie that looked even decent? I'm not talking about scenes taking place in space, or featuring characters that are too far away to make out details on. Take The Hobbit for example, they chose to use full CG for many of the characters and they ended up looking horrible. Pacific Rim would have looked absurdly silly if it weren't for complete reliance on flare and environmental effects, even with all of that it rarely looks reasonable. I'm not saying CG is a bad thing but sometimes it just looks better when there's actually something in front of the camera.
I have never seen a Godzilla movie done with a suit suit that made me think it was anything other than basically a green barney outfit. I would never have deemed them looking "decent". And certainly NEVER believable.That's everything from design, to movement.
In fact I would consider Godzilla the golden standard for cheap as fuck effects. The only time I felt Godzilla looked decent was when it WAS done with CG. It didn't look totally like the traditional Godzilla, but it looked better than grandpa in a rubber lizard suit.
Have you watched a recent Godzilla movie? Yeah, the ones from the 60's and 70's look horrible, that's pointless to even mention. How about Jurassic Park? Almost fully based around animatronics but still holds up. Also don't go showing still images as an argument for CG, what makes it look unrealistic is the difficulty associated with dynamic lighting on small levels of detail. It either has to be so perfect that it breaks the bank or completely obscured so that you don't notice the lack of detail. Look at the techniques employed in just about any film that has remained popular for a long time, you will almost never see pure CG.
On October 15 2013 05:08 claybones wrote: I really hope that they use minimal CG for this film and rely more on the traditional special effects that are the staple of the series. The animatronic suits just look so much better than the full CG rendering in movies like Pacific Rim.
Just because the series looked like shit doesn't mean you have to stick to the staple crappy production. Why not just go black and white with styrofoam buildings while you're at it? There's plenty of flaws in Pacific Rim but the CG certainly isn't one of them.
The first picture of those two was taken from the movie which came out in 2000, from the millenium series, one of the most up to date Godzilla movies there are... Still looks fucking awful. I'm actually wondering if YOU have seen the newer Godzilla movies...
And while there was a lot of animatronics in Jurassic Park, the much larger, landscape shots with massive dinosaurs was done in CGI, I do agree animatronics work very well for smaller things, and close up, which is harder for CGI. But for skyscraper-sized beasts plowing through buildings?
If you want that to look at all on par with any big-budget movie now days it pretty much has to be done with lots of CGI.
Wow, you fuck up in your own post and instead of investigating it you just insult me. To be frank I don't think there's a point in discussing this with you because you have the inability to respond in a way that reflects integrity.
Also, Scarecrow, if you really think Pacific Rim looked good then watch it again. The only reason the horrid lack of detail and pathetic attempt at realistic lighting doesn't stick out is because there are effects layered over everything. The fact that everything is blurred, glowing, overly reflective, obscured by water or behind flare effects just shows how hard they tried to cover up the terrible CGI.
Yah the 2001 music made the trailer for me. I have doubts as to whether the movie will be able to do anything to make itself stand out from similar films we've received over the last half century or so, but yeah. Keen to see how it turns out
Looks better than the other American movie at least. The Halo jump part was more epic than anything in the other movie for sure, even though i'm having trouble thinking of a situation where 1. sending in a dozen soldiers without any apparent special package would do anything (though it could be very small i guess) and 2. why you'd be desperate enough to send in soldiers who aren't trained in halo jumping. Has Godzilla destroyed all of our special operation units already? Dunno.
Oh hey look, a Japanese scientists! Finally something that can relate to the old movies other than Godzilla himself. God knows why they won't let a modern movie let him return to Tokyo (looks like San Fran in the movie).
The Godzilla we are getting in this movie is going to be the biggest one yet. I think Godzilla is going to be like 150 meters, when his old max was like 100 meters, depending on movie.
On December 12 2013 12:20 Musicus wrote: The question is, can Godzilla shoot a heat/lightning beam out of his mouth in this movie or not. WIll not watch if not.
Edit: Bryan Cranston though hm.
No idea, but probably. Hes a bit more crouched than normal, but his overall design is Godzilla-like, not to mention hes being depicted as a force of nature, again(unlike Zilla 98).
On December 12 2013 12:20 Musicus wrote: The question is, can Godzilla shoot a heat/lightning beam out of his mouth in this movie or not. WIll not watch if not.
Edit: Bryan Cranston though hm.
No idea, but probably. Hes a bit more crouched than normal, but his overall design is Godzilla-like, not to mention hes being depicted as a force of nature, again(unlike Zilla 98).
Yeah, seems like it's really a reboot of the original japanes movies and Godzilla will fight at least one other monster!
the most "shocking" scene for me was the scene with the train and the dead people. none of the 27 godzilla films (or the 1 us iguana) showed his destruction as much as this little trailer imho. He was rarely shown hurting people, mostly only crashing evacuated cities and other kaijus. And i really pray that this movie won't get ruined by cheap humour and glossy effects. Looks promising, i hope they'll keep the gritty look and the dark style. let's hope Gareth makes a good Godzilla out of this creature c:
Aha, this guy obviously hasn't seen the Godzilla movies because they show him burning people to death with his breath, setting the city ablaze, ruins everywhere etc.
hoping this one to be great. godzilla is my childhood, still remember first time watching it on TV and i thought it was an ultraman movie without ultraman lol
The monsters in your screencaps are rumoured (according to r/godzilla) to be two different creatures, the pterosaur (or rodan) and some sort of 8-legged spiderlike creature (limb in the picture below.) If the centipede creature shown in the teaser is also included in the release, that would rack up the total number of monsters to four.
Mainly because the trailer looks like mankind get its ass kicked big time. The biggest problem with the other "new" Godzilla was that it was mor "giant monster comes, military arives, takes over command and wins".
On February 26 2014 13:01 ETisME wrote: any words if it shoot lasers or not? looks like they aren't going leave that in which is understandable but also disappointing for a fan
I heard they already confirmed that it will shoot lasers.
A group of journalists here from Brazil visited the set where they were filming and talked a little with the director Gareth Edwards. This will be his first major film, since he only made Monsters so far, an independent film, and the guy is a huge Godzilla fan.
I won´t translate everything he said cause it´s pretty long, but he talked about how the main theme will be humanity, how society will react to this creature and all the destruction it is causing. It looks like they did a lot of research about how people react to earthquakes, terrorist attacks and other natural disasters, so they can have a more realistic feel to the movie. When Godzilla is moving on the sea it causes mini-tsunamis, when on land, earth is shaking, looks like it will be the biggest Godzilla they ever made.
They also studied a lot of animal behavior, like when 2 bears are fighting, they don´t really care about what is around them, only about each other; how animals react when there is someone invading their territory; how when we walk, we don´t pay attention to the ants on the ground...
2001 and Close Encounters of the Third Kind were also big influences, and there won´t be something blowing up every 2 minutes. Looks like Legendary Pictures is giving full support and giving them huge freedom, which is not so common in these kind of big productions.
He finished saying "No one will be more disapointed than I am if Godzilla doesn´t turn out to be exactly how it should be."
Sorry if this post is so messy, but I am pretty hyped! :D
the wondercon sneak peek looked amazing... the only thing i didnt like was + Show Spoiler +
when the muto is attacking the airport, attack helicopters are shooting at it and getting progressively closer and closer until one of them flies right into it. these guys are highly trained military pilots with missiles and cannon that can hit a target from miles away, why are they flying right up into this huge monster's face?
there's going to be a huge godzilla vs military battle that is the greatest thing since sliced bread in kaiju movies, allegedly godzilla gets the shit knocked out of him or so you're supposed to think until he comes out of the smoke and fire revealing himself to be barely damaged at all and kicks military butt, can't wait
Pre-screening reviews are out on the internet. There aren't any big spoilers, but there are some minor ones. But reactions from what I can tell have been pretty good. Its been compared to movies like Jaws and Jurassic Park. One guy said it was like a Heisei Godzilla film with the weight of the original, and also said it reminded him of Godzilla vs Biollante. Which maximizes the hype I have for this movie, seeing as vs Biollante is my favorite Godzilla movie.
And apparently he does have his Atomic Breath. So hyped.
This movie was fun, but I thought it would be so much better. I guess I fell for the classic trailer trap
Edit: I guess I didn't see the trailer where they showed godzilla fighting another monster. The trailer I saw made it look apocalyptic, humanity vs godzilla
It was an alright movie just suffered from some pacing issues, a few weak characters, and not enough Godzilla. Would like a sequel with just more kaijus fighting. Give it a 7.5/10. Watch it in theaters if you really want but if you got a friend or your own home theater with a large TV and sound system just watch it there.
My biggest grip is how, up until the end, whenever the monsters would start fighting, it would just cut out and leave that stuff in the background, or not at all. I mean I wasn't expecting Godzilla: Final Wars or anything, and I guess CG is expensive, but still, I'd like to have seen then actually fight each other before the end.
That said, the ending fight was great. That atomic breath, and then the last atomic breath where it grabs a MUTO, forces open its mouth, and fires that shit down its throat was great. The whole final part was really good.
Christ, that was a stupid movie. I have a really, really good suspension of disbelief when it comes to watching movies (I liked Oblivion), but this was just too much. It was just wrong seeing + Show Spoiler +
On May 17 2014 16:18 xDaunt wrote: Christ, that was a stupid movie. I have a really, really good suspension of disbelief when it comes to watching movies (I liked Oblivion), but this was just too much. It was just wrong seeing + Show Spoiler +
Godzilla swim in tight formation with the US Navy
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iirc godzilla has always been indifferent to humans. :/
The movie wasn't bad (7/10 is fair), and had a lot of good parts, but overall I was really disappointed, despite really trying hard to like this movie.
Overall, the only scenes that rose above mediocre were the scenes with Godzilla or Bryan Cranston. The problem? + Show Spoiler +
They were both barely in the fucking movie. Is it a coincidence that in all the trailers for this movie they spent the vast majority of the time focusing on these two? That's because they are by far the best part of the movie. Why the hell would you kill off the only person in the movie who can seem to act AND keep moving shots off the monsters fighting?! It's like Cloverfield all over again, though it makes less sense here.
On the other hand, the Asian doctor almost single handedly ruined this movie for me, and was by FAR the worst part of it. It was like I was watching and old campy scientists from the old Godzilla movies, which doesn't fit at all in this serious/modern retelling of the story. Movie would have been exponentially better if he wasn't in it and the movie focused more on Cranston.
Other than that there are a lot of stupid plot issues that are obvious enough to anyone who watches it.
On May 17 2014 16:18 xDaunt wrote: Christ, that was a stupid movie. I have a really, really good suspension of disbelief when it comes to watching movies (I liked Oblivion), but this was just too much. It was just wrong seeing + Show Spoiler +
Godzilla swim in tight formation with the US Navy
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iirc godzilla has always been indifferent to humans. :/
Humans don't know that. In no reality would anybody ever put the fleet that close to him. Especially a fucking aircraft carrier.
realism is fine to ignore since original japanese godzilla was very cheesy anyway.
But the biggest problems were: Lead Actor - he felt nothing like a soldier. he felt weak, he looked weak and he is weak (other than surviving all the disasters). that's why he was good in Kick ass. Actress - not bad actually, it's only the beginning scenes with her that's a bit poor. You can clearly see she was faking the laugh and totally no chemistry between her and the lead actor. Doctor/Scentist (japanese) - basically he copy and paste that "huh" face throughout the whole movie.
The screentime for monsters vs monsters were way too short
Weak directing, far too many locations hopping for some fairly unnecessary reasons
Plus side of things: Godzilaaaaaaaaa! The MUTO was cooler than expected, I also like how the movie gave more realism to the monster instead of just a giant destruction creature. Cranston is so very good at acting. Some beautiful scenes and some pretty good tense moments.
I give it a 6.5 personally, but with a bit bias since I am a godzilla fan, 7/10. It's still disappointing though, was hoping a lot more.
Some scenes were beautifully shot, especially that halo dive, one of the most beautiful scenes in movie history for recent years.
I didn't think Aaron Taylor Johnson was THAT bad as some of you stated. The movie was trying to do alot within 2 hours and 3 minutes with the characters travelling to many different locations, deciding whether to nuke the monsters or let them fight, dealing with the military and Japanese scientist/Monarch, married couple, conspiracy, etc. Some scenes could have been either cut out or shortened. I was fine with some of the teases we got at first, but after a while it got pretty annoying as if Gareth Edwards and the writer just wanted to fuck with us. The payoff was great, but it wasn't as fulfilling as I would have liked.
the movie repeatedly set you up to expect things to happen and then they did not happen. i'm not just talking about skipping out on godzilla fighting male muto at the airport and female muto tearing up vegas. i mean things like serizawa tells the admiral that he wants breaking bad and ford nobody on his team. bryan cranston dies like five minutes later. there never is a team. serizawa does nothing the entire movie. the main characters should have been cranston and watanabe with cranston helping watanabe discover muto 2 the same as what happened in the film. and seriously go ahead the same thing as in the original, serizawa has a super weapon but has a dilemma about using it. maybe a nanomachine swarm or hell why not the OXYGEN DESTROYER. just go there. ford nobody's wife never feels like she's in any danger. his son never feels like he's in any danger despite being on the golden gate bridge while godzilla is a hundred feet away. BREAKING BAD DIES BEFORE THE END OF THE FIRST HOUR. this makes zero sense. walt does not die. he is basically indestructible. everyone knows this. have ford nobody die so he loses his wife and his son to monsters. have him push serizawa to use the superweapon to kill em all. give the humans some actual fucking conflict. the military guys sleepwalk through their scenes. hey giant monsters are tearing up apple pie and baseball, you'd think american soldiers would show some goddamn emotion.
i thought there was gonna be some crazy military attack on godzilla, guess what gareth edwards the way to show human weapons are ineffective is to show them looking awesome and doing jack. not show explosions over the other side of a mountain or 3 minutes of random explosions around godzilla while a black guy drives a bus on the golden gate bridge. and then godzilla just walks through the golden gate bridge anyway. muto EMP = dumb as fuck. oh our electronics don't work so we can't even spend some SFX money on a badass army vs godzilla fight. 160 million dollars and we can't see godzilla vs GI joe for 10 minutes. if the military's ineffectiveness is not effectively shown, who gives a shit when serizawa says let them fight. if he says that because he doesn't want to use his superweapon and the only alternative is hoping they kill each other, that's cool. it's lame in the movie because serizawa who gives a fuck? he headed some secret international research team that apparently learned fuck-all about giant monsters in 15 years because what useful advice does he ever provide really? bryan cranston with his windows 98 and nuclear engineering degree and paranoid crazy drive schooled dr. serizawa with his millions of dollars and dozens of scientists. pretty much everything cranston knew in 2014 he already knew in 1999 and had on the discs they got from the "quarantine zone." and that is just no. you do not do that to a character named serizawa in a movie named godzilla.
it's really unfortunate that so much stuff like that was in the movie because the first 45 minutes are pretty good. the intro credits with the newspaper clippings and photos and the accompanying music is really good. muto 1 wakes up and then any time godzilla is not on the screen it goes to pieces. godzilla's reveal is truly awesome, so is the first time he uses his atomic ray and how he kills muto 2. grabs her by the throat, pours some blue deathray down her gullet and tears her head off. that = greatness. made me think of mortal kombat which only made it greater. but godzilla kills muto 1 by slamming it into a skyscraper with his tail? breaking muto 1's back, i guess? muto 1 should have had an awesome death too. the CG is really excellent, the mutos look awesome. godzilla's snout should've been a little bit wider but the cinematography is so good that godzilla looks fast and agile and moves fluidly even though he's really very bulky.
end of the movie, godzilla wakes up and heads out to sea. damn they should've had a 15 minute post credits scene with the military going all out on him and he ruins their shit and heads for monster island or whatever. would've redeemed this film.
anyway seems like it's gonna be a huge hit possibly beating out captain america 2 and amazing spider-man 2's weekend numbers (98 million godzilla (projected), 95 million cap 2, 91.8 million spider-man 2) so a sequel is definitely coming. hopefully they wait a few years and have edwards get 2-3 more films under his belt, or they hire a director who isn't raw as hell.
One guy said it was like a Heisei Godzilla film with the weight of the original, and also said it reminded him of Godzilla vs Biollante. Which maximizes the hype I have for this movie, seeing as vs Biollante is my favorite Godzilla movie.
i wish it reminded me of godzilla vs. biollante, that's my favorite godzilla movie too (best godzilla design ever) and if this movie was as good as godzilla vs. biollante it would be way better than it is
2 minutes after i left the theater i wouldve given it a 5/10 but now i'm at a 7 because it really is good, when godzilla is on the screen
Hopefully, when/if they do make a sequel, since they have already done the big Godzilla reveal in this film, there will be less annoying cut aways in a sequel. I'm not really sure if the cut aways were because the CG would be too expensive, or if it was a stylistic choice. But something tells me that it was stylistic, because there was tons of monster screentime for this movie... Just, not the right monster. The MUTOs got a lot more focus in this film, with Godzilla himself being the "reveal" everyone waited for. So now that all that is out of the way, hopefully we will get lots more of Godzilla in the next film.
Just saw this. Spoiler-free comments below, I promise.
I give it 1.5/10. It is completely awful. The only redeeming quality of this film is approximately 30 seconds of combined footage towards the end, when Godzilla does some cool stuff (people who've seen it will know what I mean).
Boring characters, stupid plot, stupid sub-plots, far too many convenient coincidences, blah blah blah I could go on and on...
I personally really enjoyed it. Best movie I have seen this year yet. And definitely better that Pacific Rim.
It did have some problems, like in Nevada when they check the nuclear stockpile and somehow missed the big monster leaving and yes, it started out slow. But I liked how it wasn't one big Godzilla fight, would have been boring I think. I liked how we got teased with Godzilla for a long time.
And that scene on the bridge in the forest! Was godly
If I have to continued the trend of giving it a score, I would give it 7/10 (which is good in my book)
My biggest issue with the movie was that they fucking killed Bryan Cranston - an actor probably better than the rest of the cast combined - not even half way into the movie. I came in knowing what I could expect from a movie like Godzilla (and it far surpassed the '98 version) so I can't exactly feel betrayed by the fact that the movie was all about MUTOs trashing buildings, but I feel like beyond the massive fight scene(s) it suffered a few issues that could have been solved but weren't.
Edit: the scene in the nuclear stockpile where they don't discover a MASSIVE FUCKING HOLE IN THE MOUNTAIN AND A MONSTER WALKING OFF could have ruined the entire movie with its stupidity, but it was too hilarious.
I liked the first 20-30min of the movie. After that it was all pretty much crap (after they showed the first MUTO). MUTOs design was bad, characters were bad (as was most acting), the pacing was horrible and so on.
What irked me the most was how dumb the "family issues" theme was developed. Guy comes back from a 14mo tour to finally be with his family, he gets a call about his father getting arrested in Tokyo and he jumps the first plane to Japan - super believable. Every single time they show his son it's like 10 seconds of him not doing anything and probably just serving as a reminder to the audience about the "increased risk factor" or whatever - utterly pointless and ruining the pace. They should either opt to make this "son misses his father and father wants to be a better one than his own" thingie into a major part of the plot or drop it alltogether, which would make for a more consistent and better experience instead of this half-assed attempt at creating completely unrealistic family matter.
On May 18 2014 21:12 Ramong wrote: What is with the hate ?
I personally really enjoyed it. Best movie I have seen this year yet. And definitely better that Pacific Rim.
It did have some problems, like in Nevada when they check the nuclear stockpile and somehow missed the big monster leaving and yes, it started out slow. But I liked how it wasn't one big Godzilla fight, would have been boring I think. I liked how we got teased with Godzilla for a long time.
And that scene on the bridge in the forest! Was godly
If I have to continued the trend of giving it a score, I would give it 7/10 (which is good in my book)
There's a divide between people who expected monster fighting porn like Pacific Rim/Transformers, and people who expected a Godzilla movie (disaster movie, told through human element with lots of tension.)
Even for group #2, there's lots of issues with the movie like the weak message, script, Watanabe, characterization of Godzilla as a hero/protector. But it was beautifully directed, with a lot of excellent design and clever scenes. Much moreso than Pacific Rim, imo.
But by making the message/script so weak and portraying Godzilla as a hero, they basically took humanity off the hook (outside of Watanabe's stupid line.) It succeeds tremendously at showing how vulnerable we are, but it falls short in showing how we brought it upon ourselves. We see Vegas and SF get destroyed, but we don't see them made unlivable. What lessons were humans supposed to learn from it? They didn't do a good job with that.
Overall, I still liked it quite a lot. It's a shame the family portions were mediocre, because every other part of the movie worked to situate the viewer as a part of the world. And I don't think Johnson was the problem, I think it was the script/decision making of the character (which obviously the actor doesn't control.) He was certainly better than Charlie Hunnam was, and I'd say not much worse than Chris Evans in Cap1.
i don't understand how people can say pacific rim is good... it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Aside from the CGI, I felt sick inside watching it. They ditched evangelion for this? Fucking hell.
Anyways, this movie was miles better than that turd people call pacific rim. At least godzilla had some proper storytelling to it and some characters like cranston and the monsters were memorable. I'm satisfied with the movie... i mean, it's a monster movie and to get that level of realism was surprising enough to me, even though there were some confusing things it was subtle enough. It paid homage to the original godzilla and that satisfied me. And I'm just a casual moviegoer, not really a full fledge cgi porn supporter and not really interested in overly political movies. I thought this movie had a good balance. too bad mixed reviews are composed mostly of love or hate, haters mostly pacific rim enthusiasts.
That's only half true. There's a lot that goes behind the scenes and you have to consider all the different variables when it comes to the cast including director, script supervisor, director of photography, wardrobe, hair and makeup, actors (yes, sometimes the directors give them some control or allow them to improvise), etc. There's a lot of aspects to it so to pin point it on any given thing. I don't know about that. There were some cringe worthy lines and you know what? Sometimes the director and screenwriters don't always have the final say on what goes. The Studio comes up to you and says you're going to do this and this. Well sir, you have no choice sometimes.
At the end of the day a lot of stuff goes on to make a movie.
On May 19 2014 00:52 StarStruck wrote: That's only half true. There's a lot that goes behind the scenes and you have to consider all the different variables when it comes to the cast including director, script supervisor, director of photography, wardrobe, hair and makeup, actors (yes, sometimes the directors give them some control or allow them to improvise), etc. There's a lot of aspects to it so to pin point it on any given thing. I don't know about that. There were some cringe worthy lines and you know what? Sometimes the director and screenwriters don't always have the final say on what goes. The Studio comes up to you and says you're going to do this and this. Well sir, you have no choice sometimes.
At the end of the day a lot of stuff goes on to make a movie.
Legendary has a pretty good track record, compared to every other major studio, of letting the directors and writers execute their vision. If they wanted something heavier, I doubt they would've been turned down.
On May 18 2014 21:12 Ramong wrote: What is with the hate ?
I personally really enjoyed it. Best movie I have seen this year yet. And definitely better that Pacific Rim.
It did have some problems, like in Nevada when they check the nuclear stockpile and somehow missed the big monster leaving and yes, it started out slow. But I liked how it wasn't one big Godzilla fight, would have been boring I think. I liked how we got teased with Godzilla for a long time.
And that scene on the bridge in the forest! Was godly
If I have to continued the trend of giving it a score, I would give it 7/10 (which is good in my book)
There's a divide between people who expected monster fighting porn like Pacific Rim/Transformers, and people who expected a Godzilla movie (disaster movie, told through human element with lots of tension.)
Even for group #2, there's lots of issues with the movie like the weak message, script, Watanabe, characterization of Godzilla as a hero/protector. But it was beautifully directed, with a lot of excellent design and clever scenes. Much moreso than Pacific Rim, imo.
But by making the message/script so weak and portraying Godzilla as a hero, they basically took humanity off the hook (outside of Watanabe's stupid line.) It succeeds tremendously at showing how vulnerable we are, but it falls short in showing how we brought it upon ourselves. We see Vegas and SF get destroyed, but we don't see them made unlivable. What lessons were humans supposed to learn from it? They didn't do a good job with that.
Overall, I still liked it quite a lot. It's a shame the family portions were mediocre, because every other part of the movie worked to situate the viewer as a part of the world. And I don't think Johnson was the problem, I think it was the script/decision making of the character (which obviously the actor doesn't control.) He was certainly better than Charlie Hunnam was, and I'd say not much worse than Chris Evans in Cap1.
I don't know if that is actually true. There are lots of different types of Godzilla movies, many of which focus on Godzilla the Protector as he fights a lot of monsters. Just look at most of the Showa Godzillas, or even as recently as Godzilla Final Wars. They were definitely Godzilla movies, portrayed Godzilla in a more or less heroic way, and stuffed tons of monster fighting in them. There is a segment of Godzilla fans who wanted something like that. I knew this wasn't going to be one of those types Godzilla movies, but even if you compare it to the Heisei Godzilla movies where he is a villain, there was still more monster fighting in them.
I can't believe Pacific Rim is getting this much hate here. I also don't think there is a divide between "If you liked Pacific Rim, you didn't like this movie".
On May 18 2014 21:12 Ramong wrote: What is with the hate ?
I personally really enjoyed it. Best movie I have seen this year yet. And definitely better that Pacific Rim.
It did have some problems, like in Nevada when they check the nuclear stockpile and somehow missed the big monster leaving and yes, it started out slow. But I liked how it wasn't one big Godzilla fight, would have been boring I think. I liked how we got teased with Godzilla for a long time.
And that scene on the bridge in the forest! Was godly
If I have to continued the trend of giving it a score, I would give it 7/10 (which is good in my book)
There's a divide between people who expected monster fighting porn like Pacific Rim/Transformers, and people who expected a Godzilla movie (disaster movie, told through human element with lots of tension.)
Even for group #2, there's lots of issues with the movie like the weak message, script, Watanabe, characterization of Godzilla as a hero/protector. But it was beautifully directed, with a lot of excellent design and clever scenes. Much moreso than Pacific Rim, imo.
But by making the message/script so weak and portraying Godzilla as a hero, they basically took humanity off the hook (outside of Watanabe's stupid line.) It succeeds tremendously at showing how vulnerable we are, but it falls short in showing how we brought it upon ourselves. We see Vegas and SF get destroyed, but we don't see them made unlivable. What lessons were humans supposed to learn from it? They didn't do a good job with that.
Overall, I still liked it quite a lot. It's a shame the family portions were mediocre, because every other part of the movie worked to situate the viewer as a part of the world. And I don't think Johnson was the problem, I think it was the script/decision making of the character (which obviously the actor doesn't control.) He was certainly better than Charlie Hunnam was, and I'd say not much worse than Chris Evans in Cap1.
I don't know if that is actually true. There are lots of different types of Godzilla movies, many of which focus on Godzilla the Protector as he fights a lot of monsters. Just look at most of the Showa Godzillas, or even as recently as Godzilla Final Wars. They were definitely Godzilla movies, portrayed Godzilla in a more or less heroic way, and stuffed tons of monster fighting in them. There is a segment of Godzilla fans who wanted something like that. I knew this wasn't going to be one of those types Godzilla movies, but even if you compare it to the Heisei Godzilla movies where he is a villain, there was still more monster fighting in them.
I can't believe Pacific Rim is getting this much hate here. I also don't think there is a divide between "If you liked Pacific Rim, you didn't like this movie".
I don't think it was in most of the Showa Godzillas. In a few he's straight up hero (the really campy stuff later on, like around when they decided he should fly,) but most of the time his role only inadvertently became protector, as in he was more pissed at the other monsters than he was at humanity. He still caused an enormous amount of destruction and retaliated when humans attacked him. You essentially had 3 parties in conflict.
In this he doesn't even behave like a predator. He's indifferent to humans, even when they're attacking him, and when he finally gets his kill, he just walks off into the sunset (almost literally.) At the very least, he should've been more carnal and actually ate his prey. Godzilla's motivations were completely selfless, which really isn't a hallmark of most of the series. Usually there's a self-preservation element.
Have to agree with everyone saying that they killed Bryan Cranston off too early and that the first 20-30 minutes were good but that the rest sucked. The script was incredibly weak and there was not enough action to keep me entertained in lieu of a decent plot. I wouldn't have cared if they had done both well, or even if they had done a good enough job on both, but they chose to half ass the action and had a really shitty plot/script which made it completely unbelievable and disengaged me from the characters.
I expected a lot from a movie that had a 9.2/10 on IMDb at one point. It didn't deliver on any level. I'd give it maybe a 4.5/10 or a 5/10. If you want pure action, there are better. If you want good action with good writing, there are better. If you want anything other than some nice CG effects and maybe 5 minutes worth of cool fighting scenes, there are better movies. I'd recommend skipping it.
On May 18 2014 21:12 Ramong wrote: What is with the hate ?
I personally really enjoyed it. Best movie I have seen this year yet. And definitely better that Pacific Rim.
It did have some problems, like in Nevada when they check the nuclear stockpile and somehow missed the big monster leaving and yes, it started out slow. But I liked how it wasn't one big Godzilla fight, would have been boring I think. I liked how we got teased with Godzilla for a long time.
And that scene on the bridge in the forest! Was godly
If I have to continued the trend of giving it a score, I would give it 7/10 (which is good in my book)
There's a divide between people who expected monster fighting porn like Pacific Rim/Transformers, and people who expected a Godzilla movie (disaster movie, told through human element with lots of tension.)
Even for group #2, there's lots of issues with the movie like the weak message, script, Watanabe, characterization of Godzilla as a hero/protector. But it was beautifully directed, with a lot of excellent design and clever scenes. Much moreso than Pacific Rim, imo.
But by making the message/script so weak and portraying Godzilla as a hero, they basically took humanity off the hook (outside of Watanabe's stupid line.) It succeeds tremendously at showing how vulnerable we are, but it falls short in showing how we brought it upon ourselves. We see Vegas and SF get destroyed, but we don't see them made unlivable. What lessons were humans supposed to learn from it? They didn't do a good job with that.
Overall, I still liked it quite a lot. It's a shame the family portions were mediocre, because every other part of the movie worked to situate the viewer as a part of the world. And I don't think Johnson was the problem, I think it was the script/decision making of the character (which obviously the actor doesn't control.) He was certainly better than Charlie Hunnam was, and I'd say not much worse than Chris Evans in Cap1.
I don't know if that is actually true. There are lots of different types of Godzilla movies, many of which focus on Godzilla the Protector as he fights a lot of monsters. Just look at most of the Showa Godzillas, or even as recently as Godzilla Final Wars. They were definitely Godzilla movies, portrayed Godzilla in a more or less heroic way, and stuffed tons of monster fighting in them. There is a segment of Godzilla fans who wanted something like that. I knew this wasn't going to be one of those types Godzilla movies, but even if you compare it to the Heisei Godzilla movies where he is a villain, there was still more monster fighting in them.
I can't believe Pacific Rim is getting this much hate here. I also don't think there is a divide between "If you liked Pacific Rim, you didn't like this movie".
I don't think it was in most of the Showa Godzillas. In a few he's straight up hero (the really campy stuff later on, like around when they decided he should fly,) but most of the time his role only inadvertently became protector, as in he was more pissed at the other monsters than he was at humanity. He still caused an enormous amount of destruction and retaliated when humans attacked him. You essentially had 3 parties in conflict.
In this he doesn't even behave like a predator. He's indifferent to humans, even when they're attacking him, and when he finally gets his kill, he just walks off into the sunset (almost literally.) At the very least, he should've been more carnal and actually ate his prey. Godzilla's motivations were completely selfless, which really isn't a hallmark of most of the series. Usually there's a self-preservation element.
There is always collateral damage, but after the first Ghidorah movie (which was like the... 5th? Showa film?) he was firmly in the semi-hero role. Godzilla movies didn't become disaster movies again until the Heisei series. He'd always turn up just to defeat the new bad monster, and then leave. Which is pretty much like how this movie was. I'd say that at LEAST half of all Godzilla movies had Godzilla protrayed in a positive light.
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I didn't see the portrayal of Godzilla as a hero very direct in this movie, I mean come on, he just destroyed the Golden Gate Bridge with buses full of kids and civilians, and his body blocking the missiles was just a coincidence. Rather I believe Godzilla to be a force of nature who does not discriminate between collateral damage similar to how a hurricane simply exists and damages, not as a moral force but as a natural one. Did Godzilla intend to save humanity from the MUTOs? I doubt it cause that just happened to overlap with balancing nature and Godzilla would be all too happy to do the duty.
As far as the human characters go it was a bad choice in having Aaron Taylor-Johnson and his family be the focal point of the human story when I felt a combination of Cranston and Watanabe as the leads would have been fantastic. Typically scientists have been important characters to a Godzilla plot, and when Watanabe went, "I need those two" I had really hoped Cranston would have survived somehow to have lasted longer in the story. And of course, how does the main character just happen to end up where the MUTOs and Godzilla would end up is just beyond me and a MUTO escaping a heavily guarded nuclear waste disposal site with no alarm was just dumb.
As for the big G, it was disappointing seeing him barely have a presence outside of the last quarter of the movie. We get it, building hype for the character is important but when the titular monster is only in it for about a good 6-10 minutes you have to wonder whether they were trying to buy more time but just couldn't afford it so had to resort to cut-aways. It was all compensated by the big kaiju fights, and don't tell me you didn't get hyped as fuck when you saw the back fins glow blue and Godzilla did the finisher on mama MUTO.
This movie was a solid 7.5/10 even though I hate rating things out of 10. It had some great parts and a few weak parts which could have been solved easily but I assume if it wasn't a "serious movie with military stuff" it wouldn't work in Hollywood. As for the comparisons with Pacific Rim this wasn't as much of a neon-lighty comic book movie so I don't think comparisons are too valid but as a kaiju movie this felt better.
As a huge godzilla fan who's seen basically all of them, this movie was fucking perfect. It was classic godzilla plot, with just the right amount of fanservice, really really gorgeous directing, I loved it.
I loved that they kept the monsters not constantly onscreen for most of the beginning, you got to see them from a human scale and it made them much more climactic whenever they appear, especially for the classic final battle which was fucking great contrast to that. Its a monster movie rule that when you want the monster to have impact, the times you DONT show them are far more important than when you do (see Jaws etc). Also major respect for not spoiling the fire breath in any prerelease content so when he pulls it out its total surprise.
I was very impressed with the cinematography as well, some scenes were really well put together. I particularly loved the scene on the train bridge, the sense of scale was just palpable and the sound was fantastic.
It wasn't perfect, Watanabe had literally one expression the entire movie and the soundtrack was a bit heavy handed, lead actors weren't amazing but just servicable, godzilla was pretty chubby. But honesly it didn't hurt the film as a whole.
I just loved it, totally quintessential godzilla movie. 9/10 was very entertained. Pacific rim can suck my dick.
Saw Godzilla yesterday and I have to say that it was fucking awesome.
I also agree with the fact that they didn't show the monsters constantly because it gives the monsters more impact everytime they are on screen. The fights were well done because you either saw them fighting on the TV, on the ground, or from a helicopter. So, when the final fight happened it was just that more amazing. The fact that they hid the lightning breath from the trailers is cool to because I can imagine the conversations "We have to show that segment where Godzilla has lightning breath! That'd make Godzilla be even cooler" and can picture the director just straight up "No."
I was rather surprised that Bryan Cranston got killed off at like half hour into the movie. I didn't really care for the writing but the story was at least a little bit interesting. Was fun arguing with my friend when the first monster appeared "DUDE, thats Mothra!" and hes like "Nah, doesn't look like it".
Godzilla just looked awesome and for people saying he looked fat like what do you expect a giant monster to look like? Do you expect a giant monster to come out with a 6 pack and look like its found some steroids just floating around? Godzilla looked perfectly fine. I'm calling the monster with wings "Mothra" because I can.
I'm giving the movie 9/10 because I was majorly entertained and I just couldn't stop smiling when Godzilla was on screen and the fights, the tension, was well done.
Pacific Rim is nothing like this. When you see a monster in that movie your just like "Oh look another monster and its going to fight. Sigh"
I wish they cut this movie a ton differently. I wish the movie started at the parachuting scene near the end and just had bryan cranston in on flashbacks. The movie really tried to tell a story and explain everything well but its called fucking godzilla I want my giant lizard fighting monsters. The fighting at the end was amazingly told inbetween the humans saving the day and giveing their lives in defiance of nature.
Dear god the visuals on that parachuting scene made me cry with how awe inspiring it was. the red flares falling from the sky representing hope coming to the buring wreckage of a major city. I will one day have a picture of it framed and on my wall looking like a painting and I will be satisfied.
Pacific rim was about giant robots fighting giant monsters, fuck you for trying to tell me its anything else.
I at first wanted a Pacific Rim style Godzilla brawl, but it was extremely different and I am really glad it was. Godzilla had a lot of suspense where as Pacific Rim was just "we're getting to the action hold on" then it gets to robots versus monsters. They were both were meant to fit a different role and I loved each one. That being said I enjoyed Godzilla much more.
Also I do not understand people being upset with godzilla's size. He is a big powerhouse and being "chunky" sort of makes sense. I think it just made him look more intimidating.
So what the last few posters are saying is that they didn't show lightning breath in the trailer but it happens in the movie as a surprise. Awesome, can't wait to go see it now and be surprised!
On May 20 2014 10:52 Takuma wrote: So what the last few posters are saying is that they didn't show lightning breath in the trailer but it happens in the movie as a surprise. Awesome, can't wait to go see it now and be surprised!
yes and you will mark out so hard when he uses it especially the first and last times
On May 20 2014 08:17 Sermokala wrote: I wish they cut this movie a ton differently. I wish the movie started at the parachuting scene near the end and just had bryan cranston in on flashbacks. The movie really tried to tell a story and explain everything well but its called fucking godzilla I want my giant lizard fighting monsters. The fighting at the end was amazingly told inbetween the humans saving the day and giveing their lives in defiance of nature.
Dear god the visuals on that parachuting scene made me cry with how awe inspiring it was. the red flares falling from the sky representing hope coming to the buring wreckage of a major city. I will one day have a picture of it framed and on my wall looking like a painting and I will be satisfied.
Pacific rim was about giant robots fighting giant monsters, fuck you for trying to tell me its anything else.
I think that the monster fighting scenes in Godzilla were pretty weak. Pacific Rim is a different kind of movie, but it pretty much set the bar for monster-involving combat sequences and this bar is pretty damn high.
Overall, MUTOL design was very weak, Godzilla itself was fine. They killed off the only interesting character in the movie, leaving only weak and bland personalities, not good.
And don't get inspired by the parachuting scene. Remember that it was because of them that they had to do it in the first place.
"Let's use this nuke over here to lure the monsters." "OK, where would you have us take it?" "San Francisco of course." "Hey, my wife and kid are there, can I tag along?"
All in all, this movie was good, no more and no less
The stuff that was important was spot on. Godzilla looked, sounded, "acted" perfect. The fights that we got was amazing On a technical level the movie was pretty amazing. Effects were wonderful, sound design good, cinematography were great. Breaking Dad was..... simple amazing. I haven't seen Breaking Bad yet (saving it for now) but every scene he was in i was in love)
The stuff that wasn't as good was obivous. Main character was bland, so was the rest of the cast, Japanse guy had way to few lines and the same expression. Lucky the the Main character was SO busy all the time that even that that he was boring as fuck, he had so much to do that you could live it.
Also the fact that Breaking Dad was 10x times more interesting and better acting than the rest, the movies heart dissapeared with him. It was hard not to be dissapointed with that
My biggest gripe with the movies was the FUCKING cutaways from the fights, oh my god. See i don't mind that you cut away mid action. My problem (like for others) was that it did it SO quick and out of nowhere, it was frustrating)
But when i really think about it, nothing in the movie was Bad. The characters were boring, but they never annoyed me like in Transformers (1-3), Prometheus, Star Trek etc. and i have to give it credit for that
It almost feels like the biggest problem with the film was that it almost was TO faithful to the source material. Godzilla was a neutral-hero, alot of focus on the people around, less monster fights (just rewatched Destroy All Monsters, and even in that there are like max 10-15 min monster action).
It's a wierd movie. on the one hand it was frustrating in some aspect because you wanted to be even better than it was. But on the other hand nothing was terrible or bad, just okay.
Overall: either 6,5 or 7/10. I'm super glad that its such a succes, so we can see sequels where they hopefully will bring some classic monsters in (if Toho allows it).
When I was little, Godzilla was always about giant monsters coming out of nowhere to challenge Godzilla or take over the world and Godzilla have claim the territory by saying "No this place is MINE GTFO!" to the monster while human scientists and military gave background commentary about what is going on until Ultraman came to fend off against the monsters themselves. T'was sort of like a MMA/UFC of epic porpotion.
That being said, this movie offered NOTHING of such. It wasn't particular bad but they wanted to take a more "dark" approach to the character.
Pacific Rim satisfied the inner child of me better than this movie but I have to see whether or not Godzilla's sequel will be more visually active.
At Comic-con, they teased some about what monsters might appear in Godzilla 2. Apparently Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah all got their names thrown out there as teasers. If Godzilla 2 actually will have those three in addition to Godzilla himself, and "cut away" during every monster fight like this past one, then Godzilla 2 has all my want.
But why? Do people in the movies just want shit to end? I'll never understand the stupidity of people in movies. I'll probably skip it for a while just because I'm already furious with the logic.
On January 26 2021 10:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: But why? Do people in the movies just want shit to end? I'll never understand the stupidity of people in movies. I'll probably skip it for a while just because I'm already furious with the logic.
I think you should abandon all logic when watching movies from the Monsterverse... Makes life easier.
On January 26 2021 10:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: But why? Do people in the movies just want shit to end? I'll never understand the stupidity of people in movies. I'll probably skip it for a while just because I'm already furious with the logic.
I think you should abandon all logic when watching movies from the Monsterverse... Makes life easier.
Believe me, it's all for the spectacle. But it still irks me when they make something like this and go "Well, we couldn't have known it would turn out this way."