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On June 15 2012 06:19 MrDudeMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 05:58 Bombs Aregreat wrote:
I've stopped enjoying LOK now. Basically the enemies have become far too one-dimensional. Sure, Amon's motives are arguably still mysterious. But the bad guys are becoming too cliche. It's your run of the mill good versus evil plot again where in order to make the bad guys evil enough their intelligence is lowered to the point where they decide it's going to be a good idea to round up a large group of people and lock them away - Nazi Germany, hurr durr. At least in TLA you could feel that it was more of a historical story when cultures were still developing, and you can kind of understand a Lord wanting to conquer other nations and rule over them as colonies, but in LOK society is supposed to be progressive yet there are a significant number of people (in power) who basically share Anders Breivik's worldview and think eliminating the part of society they disagree with is the solution to society's problems. In fact, it all begins right in episode one where Korra is arrested for destruction of property and Bei Fong doesn't care that she was only trying to protect the storeowners from the gangs. Fuck woman, what do you think your mother would say about your strict way of applying the law? I was willing to overlook it in the earlier episodes but then these incidents just became all too common for me to be able to enjoy the series anymore. I fail to see how any of the TLA villains are not one dimensional. In fact, TLA makes a whole nation of people seem evil until like 10 episodes from the end of the series. If anything I would say the main conflict in TLA is much more one dimensional than the conflict of LOK. At least in LOK there is some truth to what Amon preaches, whereas in TLA the fire lord is literally just an evil emperor who wants to take over the world. Its also extremely unfair to compare 3 seasons worth of plot development to 10 episodes. Rewatch the first 10 episodes of TLA and you will see that everything is very cliche.
I literally just did last week. The thing is the setting of TLA allowed for it - you could tell it was a historical story, when you watch a series like Game of Thrones it's OK for people to murder each other to solve their political problems because that was what people were like in those times, but you're not going to see it in The West Wing. In LOK, a rich businessman who owns a car company thinks it's a smart decision to use his feelings of vengeance to support what is basically a terrorist group, risking his own daughter's life in the process. Equalists think it's a good idea of hate the bender and not the bending and give their lives to training like Hamas. Within a modern, capitalist society, it's just not believable for them to be such a large sector of society.
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The point is - they're trying to mix steam-punk in with a backwards society where there are 'evil' people. It'd work if these evil people were extremists and a very small terrorist group. But it's pretty much half of the population and even the entire police force. It just doesn't work. It works when you're doing a WWII setting and you're telling the story of Nazi Germany or something. But the setting in LOK is progressive (e.g. pro-bending matches) and modern. With modern society comes modern thinking, but the bad guys are all hurr durr let's act like Anders Breivik to reach our goals because obviously that's definitely going to work. In TLA the Fire Nation did literally have a large army and people were poorer back then so easier to oppress. You could view it for what it was - a historical piece. LOK just tries to mix up too many genres. You wouldn't watch The Pianist or Life is Beautiful if the main character was a teenybopper who was all about liking a boy and doesn't want to listen to her parents because she wants to have fun and all that crap.
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On June 15 2012 06:33 Bombs Aregreat wrote:
The point is - they're trying to mix steam-punk in with a backwards society where there are 'evil' people. It'd work if these evil people were extremists and a very small terrorist group. But it's pretty much half of the population and even the entire police force. It just doesn't work. It works when you're doing a WWII setting and you're telling the story of Nazi Germany or something. But the setting in LOK is progressive (e.g. pro-bending matches) and modern. With modern society comes modern thinking, but the bad guys are all hurr durr let's act like Anders Breivik to reach our goals because obviously that's definitely going to work. In TLA the Fire Nation did literally have a large army and people were poorer back then so easier to oppress. You could view it for what it was - a historical piece. LOK just tries to mix up too many genres. You wouldn't watch The Pianist or Life is Beautiful if the main character was a teenybopper who was all about liking a boy and doesn't want to listen to her parents because she wants to have fun and all that crap.
LoK isn't steampunk, it is turn of the century. The bender/normal dichotomy could be looked at in the same way as racial tensions/separable but equal sort of stuff. Their is nothing "backwards" about it, it fact it is pretty anachronistic to history. The only genres it is mixing up is turn of the century and Asian historical fiction.
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On June 15 2012 06:33 Bombs Aregreat wrote:
The point is - they're trying to mix steam-punk in with a backwards society where there are 'evil' people. It'd work if these evil people were extremists and a very small terrorist group. But it's pretty much half of the population and even the entire police force. It just doesn't work. It works when you're doing a WWII setting and you're telling the story of Nazi Germany or something. But the setting in LOK is progressive (e.g. pro-bending matches) and modern. With modern society comes modern thinking, but the bad guys are all hurr durr let's act like Anders Breivik to reach our goals because obviously that's definitely going to work. In TLA the Fire Nation did literally have a large army and people were poorer back then so easier to oppress. You could view it for what it was - a historical piece. LOK just tries to mix up too many genres. You wouldn't watch The Pianist or Life is Beautiful if the main character was a teenybopper who was all about liking a boy and doesn't want to listen to her parents because she wants to have fun and all that crap.
It's obvious that you just don't understand genres very well.
LoK is about a turn-of-the-century world being faced with cultural revolution/rebellion. That's why it's "half of the population". If you'd actually picked up a history book at any period in your life, you'd have read about similar events that have happened in every single country.
And why must people insist on abusing the use of the word steampunk. Steampunk is about technological anachronism, not "people using steam".
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On June 15 2012 08:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 06:33 Bombs Aregreat wrote:
The point is - they're trying to mix steam-punk in with a backwards society where there are 'evil' people. It'd work if these evil people were extremists and a very small terrorist group. But it's pretty much half of the population and even the entire police force. It just doesn't work. It works when you're doing a WWII setting and you're telling the story of Nazi Germany or something. But the setting in LOK is progressive (e.g. pro-bending matches) and modern. With modern society comes modern thinking, but the bad guys are all hurr durr let's act like Anders Breivik to reach our goals because obviously that's definitely going to work. In TLA the Fire Nation did literally have a large army and people were poorer back then so easier to oppress. You could view it for what it was - a historical piece. LOK just tries to mix up too many genres. You wouldn't watch The Pianist or Life is Beautiful if the main character was a teenybopper who was all about liking a boy and doesn't want to listen to her parents because she wants to have fun and all that crap. It's obvious that you just don't understand genres very well. LoK is about a turn-of-the-century world being faced with cultural revolution/rebellion. That's why it's "half of the population". If you'd actually picked up a history book at any period in your life, you'd have read about similar events that have happened in every single country. And why must people insist on abusing the use of the word steampunk. Steampunk is about technological anachronism, not "people using steam".
Hey! We said the same thing!
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Fanboys gonna fanboy. Enjoy your one-dimensional evil villians who want to take over the world.
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On June 15 2012 10:29 Bombs Aregreat wrote:
Fanboys gonna fanboy. Enjoy your one-dimensional evil villians who want to take over the world.
Why are you so passive aggressive? Its just a TV show; you don't have to like it, but you don't have to insult the people who do.
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On June 15 2012 10:29 Bombs Aregreat wrote:
Fanboys gonna fanboy. Enjoy your one-dimensional evil villians who want to take over the world.
And here we see the troll in it's natural habitat unveil itself to his prey.
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I don't see the point in arguing. I mean, the guy doesnt like it... so he doesnt like it. Let him hate. O.o
Go back to talking about important things. Like the greater mysteries of metalbending.
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Just rewatched episode 8 and 9 for the thrid time. Tarlokk was awesome, love the political aspect of his character. Honestly him rounding up people really makes a lot of sense for his goal of gaining complete control of republic city. Scare the benders into thinking they need him, and use force over the suspected equalists. The blood bending just makes it all around cooler but wasnt even necessary for his character to be awesome. And of course he just perfectly sets up Amon to be that much more of a badass.
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On June 15 2012 12:08 Crazyeyes wrote:
I don't see the point in arguing. I mean, the guy doesnt like it... so he doesnt like it. Let him hate. O.o
Go back to talking about important things. Like the greater mysteries of metalbending.
Because it is a discussion. He brought it up and got shot down with reasonable points, then proceeded to ad hominem all over the place.
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I just finished watching the episodes today, and I got to say, it has been an awesome show. I'm really interested by how Amon got his powers in the first place. Like, the Avatar being split physically/spiritually doesn't make as much sense anymore because Korra connected with Aang and learned about Yakone. The Koh theory, though, is still very much alive and interesting.
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On June 15 2012 12:45 Belgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 12:08 Crazyeyes wrote:
I don't see the point in arguing. I mean, the guy doesnt like it... so he doesnt like it. Let him hate. O.o
Go back to talking about important things. Like the greater mysteries of metalbending. Because it is a discussion. He brought it up and got shot down with reasonable points, then proceeded to ad hominem all over the place.
Right. That's the point where youre supposed to go 'oh. Well then fuck this guy. Let's talk about X now.' :D
But maybe that's just me.
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On June 15 2012 06:33 Bombs Aregreat wrote:
The point is - they're trying to mix steam-punk in with a backwards society where there are 'evil' people. It'd work if these evil people were extremists and a very small terrorist group. But it's pretty much half of the population and even the entire police force. It just doesn't work. It works when you're doing a WWII setting and you're telling the story of Nazi Germany or something. But the setting in LOK is progressive (e.g. pro-bending matches) and modern. With modern society comes modern thinking, but the bad guys are all hurr durr let's act like Anders Breivik to reach our goals because obviously that's definitely going to work. In TLA the Fire Nation did literally have a large army and people were poorer back then so easier to oppress. You could view it for what it was - a historical piece. LOK just tries to mix up too many genres. You wouldn't watch The Pianist or Life is Beautiful if the main character was a teenybopper who was all about liking a boy and doesn't want to listen to her parents because she wants to have fun and all that crap.
Wow, and here I was thinking it was about a teenage girl trying to live up to her title and bring balance to a struggling city.
Edit: I read a bit of your earlier posts. You like to throw around a bunch of themes and terminology to make yourself seem sophisticated and knowledgeable, but you kind of have a simple minded way of viewing things.
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To me it seems more like Equalists versus Everyone is PvT. Correlating the Equalists to Protoss is easy to do, since randomly (warped in) equalists seem to be popping up in places they weren't supposed to be. While there clearly was an unscouted pylon in the pro-bending arena that one time. After the damage was done and Amon had placed his manner banners, he just recalled and got outa there.
Amon meanwhile is just a hallucinated replicator. He is not affected by Tarlokks bloodbending because he is an illusion of a mechanical 'something' that everyone is speculating about. Nobody is sure who Amon really is, but it really only is a Sentry having a huge laugh. Bending taken away? HAH! That's just the benders having unhotkeyed people lying around because they thought Amon killed them anyway, so they deselected them.
Korra meanwhile is the Marine that refuses to stim even when she has been given 3/3 upgrades, combat shield and stim, two medivacs, and visions from Marineking Prime to show how strong she can be. Mako is the marauder, one dimensional but does what he is supposed to do. Bolin is the Reaper that harasses well but really will never fit in an MMM ball because of his low health and long builld time. Asami is the Ghost that fits in great with the team because of EMP being a usefull skill to have, but she is unsure if she should snipe the Marine to leave more supply for marauders against the Protoss death ball.
Observers also explain how Amon knew of Tarlokks and Korra's whereabouts, and why Amon left Korra to his chargelots instead of dealing with it himself. He can't feedback the Marine and wasting a storm on something that low HP seems inefficient. Ofcourse, a 3/3 marine in a chokepoint is going to kill off chargelots that run into a chokepoint. After Korra got away, the medivac picked her up to move back to the main army, where Mako showed that he's "got a whole lotta love" to share around.
The equalists are certain that by forcefielding and warp-in storming out the benders they will bring balance to the world, yet they fail to see the irony in that.
Everybody is bitching about the endgame Carrier tech switch that the Equalists are preparing, but everybody knows that if the Marine stims those carriers will be dead in the water. Tenzin has told Korra to mediTate over and over but for some reason she still prefers to walk into collosus fire and do her own thing.
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Russian Federation1849 Posts
Lol @Chaosvuistje, such a good comparison.
When's the next episode?
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On June 15 2012 17:29 Chaosvuistje wrote:+ Show Spoiler +To me it seems more like Equalists versus Everyone is PvT. Correlating the Equalists to Protoss is easy to do, since randomly (warped in) equalists seem to be popping up in places they weren't supposed to be. While there clearly was an unscouted pylon in the pro-bending arena that one time. After the damage was done and Amon had placed his manner banners, he just recalled and got outa there.
Amon meanwhile is just a hallucinated replicator. He is not affected by Tarlokks bloodbending because he is an illusion of a mechanical 'something' that everyone is speculating about. Nobody is sure who Amon really is, but it really only is a Sentry having a huge laugh. Bending taken away? HAH! That's just the benders having unhotkeyed people lying around because they thought Amon killed them anyway, so they deselected them.
Korra meanwhile is the Marine that refuses to stim even when she has been given 3/3 upgrades, combat shield and stim, two medivacs, and a scan to show there are no burrowed Banelings around. Mako is the marauder, one dimensional but does what he is supposed to do. Bolin is the Reaper that harasses well but really will never fit in an MMM ball because of his low health and long builld time. Asami is the Ghost that fits in great with the team because of EMP being a usefull skill to have, but she is unsure if she should snipe the Marine to leave more supply for marauders against the Protoss death ball.
Observers also explain how Amon knew of Tarlokks and Korra's whereabouts, and why Amon left Korra to his chargelots instead of dealing with it himself. He can't feedback the Marine and wasting a storm on something that low HP seems inefficient. Ofcourse, a 3/3 marine in a chokepoint is going to kill off chargelots that run into a chokepoint. After Korra got away, the medivac picked her up to move back to the main army, where Mako showed that he's "got a whole lotta love" to share around.
The equalists are certain that by forcefielding and warp-in storming out the benders they will bring balance to the world, yet they fail to see the irony in that.
Everybody is bitching about the endgame Carrier tech switch that the Equalists are preparing, but everybody knows that if the Marine stims those carriers will be dead in the water. Tenzin has told Korra to mediTate over and over but for some reason she still prefers to walk into collosus fire and do her own thing.
Brilliant. XD
Hemula: Episode 10 airs this Saturday and episodes 11 and 12 (the season finale) air next Saturday.
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Russian Federation748 Posts
I swear, the use of the word one-dimensional should be prohibited. It is mathematical vocabulary anyway.
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In literature it's just a fancy term of saying a character has little depth. Ironically, there are tons of stories like that. Heck, you could argue emperor palpatine is one-dimensional, but that didn't stop star wars from being so popular. Sometimes such characters work well when worked into the rest of the story. You don't need everyone to have some cliche reason as to why they do things. ;o
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On June 15 2012 17:29 Chaosvuistje wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
To me it seems more like Equalists versus Everyone is PvT. Correlating the Equalists to Protoss is easy to do, since randomly (warped in) equalists seem to be popping up in places they weren't supposed to be. While there clearly was an unscouted pylon in the pro-bending arena that one time. After the damage was done and Amon had placed his manner banners, he just recalled and got outa there.
Amon meanwhile is just a hallucinated replicator. He is not affected by Tarlokks bloodbending because he is an illusion of a mechanical 'something' that everyone is speculating about. Nobody is sure who Amon really is, but it really only is a Sentry having a huge laugh. Bending taken away? HAH! That's just the benders having unhotkeyed people lying around because they thought Amon killed them anyway, so they deselected them.
Korra meanwhile is the Marine that refuses to stim even when she has been given 3/3 upgrades, combat shield and stim, two medivacs, and visions from Marineking Prime to show how strong she can be. Mako is the marauder, one dimensional but does what he is supposed to do. Bolin is the Reaper that harasses well but really will never fit in an MMM ball because of his low health and long builld time. Asami is the Ghost that fits in great with the team because of EMP being a usefull skill to have, but she is unsure if she should snipe the Marine to leave more supply for marauders against the Protoss death ball.
Observers also explain how Amon knew of Tarlokks and Korra's whereabouts, and why Amon left Korra to his chargelots instead of dealing with it himself. He can't feedback the Marine and wasting a storm on something that low HP seems inefficient. Ofcourse, a 3/3 marine in a chokepoint is going to kill off chargelots that run into a chokepoint. After Korra got away, the medivac picked her up to move back to the main army, where Mako showed that he's "got a whole lotta love" to share around.
The equalists are certain that by forcefielding and warp-in storming out the benders they will bring balance to the world, yet they fail to see the irony in that.
Everybody is bitching about the endgame Carrier tech switch that the Equalists are preparing, but everybody knows that if the Marine stims those carriers will be dead in the water. Tenzin has told Korra to mediTate over and over but for some reason she still prefers to walk into collosus fire and do her own thing.
brilliant!
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