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On September 29 2014 17:22 B.I.G. wrote:
My main problem with season 2 is how they completely ruined the mysteriousness around the spirit world. It went from a mysterious world with faceless and hard to understand beings (such as Hebei and Koh) to a shiny fun and fluffy world with a bunch of silly beings that would fit much better in a Pixar movie. And forcing Iroh in their didn't improve anything IMO it just felt too forced.
Season 3 was much better although it was frustrating to see how everyone kept failing at stopping four benders. Seriously, they escaped one of the most secured prisons in the world (the one with the water arms girl) by driving away in a goddamn truck. This in an era where they already have robots and planes and tanks and not to forget Zuko was also there with a motherfucking dragon. I actually liked the four villains but when they finally got whacked I was like thank god finally someone does their job around here..
I can't disagree with you more. The way you describe it, the writers fully expounded on every aspect of the spirit world. The way I see it, they showed a portion of the spirit world. The portion most relevant to their story arc. I also didn't get the silly impression you're describing. I got an impression that spirits can be deceptive. Look at the lemur spirit that was mostly a sympathetic character, he could permanently deform humans and took a sort of pleasure in doing it.
The problem I had with Season 3 was the rush to resolution. It's really hard with these 13 season episode to have a satisfying story arc and the pacing of Season 3 suffered a lot. I couldn't understand why they were introducing such a plethora of new characters for a 13 episode arc and it makes sense now with the announcement of Season 4, but it still made Season 3 feel rushed. The problem I had with the 4 benders was that they never seemed dangerous enough. Think about this, when they broke sparky sparky boom lady out of the ice prison they fought against Korra's dad and Zuko. Their goal was to kill world leaders. They incapacitated the Fire Lord and a Water Tribe Chief then drove off in a truck. They should have just killed them both. Neither of the characters served an important role later in the story. Zuko made some remark to Korra about Aang and sacrifice or whatever, but that was more for nostalgia nerd chills than anything. I don't know, the Book was titled 'Change' and the only changes were to the Earth Queen who was a completely new character and then they put Korra in a wheelchair temporarily.
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^Yeah the fact they didn't kill world leaders made their goal later sound like it was made up on the spot. At the very least foot soldiers should have arrived from the North to force the 4 into a getaway or something.
Korra's short hair is unnecessary. She's always been a badass female and I prefer her personality to that of the IRL girls that gossip all day. I like the look. I like that she ages. It's so rare to see characters age in TV shows! She's just so real and is a great role model unlike Winx or reality TV like The Bachelor. Someone said her short hair might have been for her to travel in disguise. Maybe she's pulling a Zuko, I dunno. I think it'd do little good.
I hope they show her transformation due to the injuries and don't just skip over it. Talk about her reasons for her quest.
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On September 30 2014 14:04 Brobe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 17:22 B.I.G. wrote:
My main problem with season 2 is how they completely ruined the mysteriousness around the spirit world. It went from a mysterious world with faceless and hard to understand beings (such as Hebei and Koh) to a shiny fun and fluffy world with a bunch of silly beings that would fit much better in a Pixar movie. And forcing Iroh in their didn't improve anything IMO it just felt too forced.
Season 3 was much better although it was frustrating to see how everyone kept failing at stopping four benders. Seriously, they escaped one of the most secured prisons in the world (the one with the water arms girl) by driving away in a goddamn truck. This in an era where they already have robots and planes and tanks and not to forget Zuko was also there with a motherfucking dragon. I actually liked the four villains but when they finally got whacked I was like thank god finally someone does their job around here.. I can't disagree with you more. The way you describe it, the writers fully expounded on every aspect of the spirit world. The way I see it, they showed a portion of the spirit world. The portion most relevant to their story arc. I also didn't get the silly impression you're describing. I got an impression that spirits can be deceptive. Look at the lemur spirit that was mostly a sympathetic character, he could permanently deform humans and took a sort of pleasure in doing it. The problem I had with Season 3 was the rush to resolution. It's really hard with these 13 season episode to have a satisfying story arc and the pacing of Season 3 suffered a lot. I couldn't understand why they were introducing such a plethora of new characters for a 13 episode arc and it makes sense now with the announcement of Season 4, but it still made Season 3 feel rushed. The problem I had with the 4 benders was that they never seemed dangerous enough. Think about this, when they broke sparky sparky boom lady out of the ice prison they fought against Korra's dad and Zuko. Their goal was to kill world leaders. They incapacitated the Fire Lord and a Water Tribe Chief then drove off in a truck. They should have just killed them both. Neither of the characters served an important role later in the story. Zuko made some remark to Korra about Aang and sacrifice or whatever, but that was more for nostalgia nerd chills than anything. I don't know, the Book was titled 'Change' and the only changes were to the Earth Queen who was a completely new character and then they put Korra in a wheelchair temporarily.
I felt that the change being referred to in the season title was about dealing with the spirits now roaming the world and the rebirth of the air nation, but the former wasn't really expounded on enough and the latter wasn't a change so much as a return to normalcy. I was disappointed: anarchists aren't really that interesting frankly, and I agree in general about the weird bouts of incompetence that let them get away repeatedly.
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On September 30 2014 14:04 Brobe wrote:Think about this, when they broke sparky sparky boom lady out of the ice prison they fought against Korra's dad and Zuko. Their goal was to kill world leaders. They incapacitated the Fire Lord and a Water Tribe Chief then drove off in a truck. They should have just killed them both.
As I understand it their goal was simply to end the avatar cycle. Once they all got bending they started to dream bigger and saw a "free" world.
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On October 02 2014 14:52 Foblos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 14:04 Brobe wrote:Think about this, when they broke sparky sparky boom lady out of the ice prison they fought against Korra's dad and Zuko. Their goal was to kill world leaders. They incapacitated the Fire Lord and a Water Tribe Chief then drove off in a truck. They should have just killed them both. As I understand it their goal was simply to end the avatar cycle. Once they all got bending they started to dream bigger and saw a "free" world.
I don't think so. Why end the Avatar cycle? The Avatar was pretty popular with just about everyone.
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On October 02 2014 15:05 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 14:52 Foblos wrote:On September 30 2014 14:04 Brobe wrote:Think about this, when they broke sparky sparky boom lady out of the ice prison they fought against Korra's dad and Zuko. Their goal was to kill world leaders. They incapacitated the Fire Lord and a Water Tribe Chief then drove off in a truck. They should have just killed them both. As I understand it their goal was simply to end the avatar cycle. Once they all got bending they started to dream bigger and saw a "free" world. I don't think so. Why end the Avatar cycle? The Avatar was pretty popular with just about everyone.
I don't think they were so much concerned with the "popular" opinion as they were with implementing their vision of balance to the world. Remember that Zaheer thought Wan separating Vaatu and Raava was foolish; he would much rather humanity remain in its primordial state as Lion Turtle bums than as the predominant species on Earth. In his skewed vision, the truest freedom would be to become spiritually enlightened as he did and be emotionally detached from earthly affiliations to nationality, etc. In that sense the Avatar is arguably the greatest threat to his vision, as the Avatar is probably the world's greatest peacekeeping and nation-protecting agent.
With regards to Zuko and Tonraq, you could make an argument that 1)Zuko was not directly a world leader at that point, only a former Fire Lord; 2)Zaheer didn't realize that Tonraq was the current Southern Water Tribe leader at that point due to 13 years of missing information. In any case it seems their goal was to kidnap Korra first from the very beginning; they don't really start targeting world leaders until they start using them as leverage to get Korra to turn herself over. They probably figured that once Korra was gone, the ensuing chaos would make it much easier to coordinate an assault against the world leaders simultaneously.
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On October 02 2014 15:05 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 14:52 Foblos wrote:On September 30 2014 14:04 Brobe wrote:Think about this, when they broke sparky sparky boom lady out of the ice prison they fought against Korra's dad and Zuko. Their goal was to kill world leaders. They incapacitated the Fire Lord and a Water Tribe Chief then drove off in a truck. They should have just killed them both. As I understand it their goal was simply to end the avatar cycle. Once they all got bending they started to dream bigger and saw a "free" world. I don't think so. Why end the Avatar cycle? The Avatar was pretty popular with just about everyone.
Popular and had a lot of haters as well as people who loved the avatar of course.
But Ending the cycle was so that the avatar could never interfere again. The world remained peaceful through pretty much every avatar as any aggressive move (like sozin during roku's time) the avatar just shuts them down.
Without the avatar that would no longer happen and their version of "chaos" could ensure as they would also be able to kill off all the leaders without having to worry about their biggest threat (the avatar). Made complete sense.
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On October 02 2014 15:05 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 14:52 Foblos wrote:On September 30 2014 14:04 Brobe wrote:Think about this, when they broke sparky sparky boom lady out of the ice prison they fought against Korra's dad and Zuko. Their goal was to kill world leaders. They incapacitated the Fire Lord and a Water Tribe Chief then drove off in a truck. They should have just killed them both. As I understand it their goal was simply to end the avatar cycle. Once they all got bending they started to dream bigger and saw a "free" world. I don't think so. Why end the Avatar cycle? The Avatar was pretty popular with just about everyone.
Ending the Avatar Cycle was always the plan of the Red Lotus, post-incarceration. Don't forget that they tried to abduct Korra when she was young (and again in Zaofu). Their original intent was to raise (or brainwash) her to do their bidding and free Vaatu so that the world would return to a state of chaos. Failing that, Korra grew up and would no longer be likely to be swayed or influenced. Therefore, ending the Avatar Cycle was the other alternative.
Killing world leaders is merely another sub-goal. They happened to kill Hou-Tin because they had to deal with her to get to Korra, seeing as the Earth Kingdom army had her.
It's true that they could have just killed Zuko and Tonraq right there and then though. It is a bit of a weak point.
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On October 02 2014 23:54 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 15:05 obesechicken13 wrote:On October 02 2014 14:52 Foblos wrote:On September 30 2014 14:04 Brobe wrote:Think about this, when they broke sparky sparky boom lady out of the ice prison they fought against Korra's dad and Zuko. Their goal was to kill world leaders. They incapacitated the Fire Lord and a Water Tribe Chief then drove off in a truck. They should have just killed them both. As I understand it their goal was simply to end the avatar cycle. Once they all got bending they started to dream bigger and saw a "free" world. I don't think so. Why end the Avatar cycle? The Avatar was pretty popular with just about everyone. Ending the Avatar Cycle was always the plan of the Red Lotus, post-incarceration. Don't forget that they tried to abduct Korra when she was young (and again in Zaofu). Their original intent was to raise (or brainwash) her to do their bidding and free Vaatu so that the world would return to a state of chaos. Failing that, Korra grew up and would no longer be likely to be swayed or influenced. Therefore, ending the Avatar Cycle was the other alternative. Killing world leaders is merely another sub-goal. They happened to kill Hou-Tin because they had to deal with her to get to Korra, seeing as the Earth Kingdom army had her. It's true that they could have just killed Zuko and Tonraq right there and then though. It is a bit of a weak point.
Didn't Zaheer specifically say that freeing Vaatu was all Unalaq's plan; that the rest of the Red Lotus didn't want that?
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I think he said freeing Vaatu was Unalaq's idea, yes. However, he also said the Red Lotus did go along with that. They attempted to abduct Korra when she was young for that purpose exactly.
What was not part of their plan was for Unalaq to fuse with Vaatu.
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On October 02 2014 16:42 starimk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 15:05 obesechicken13 wrote:On October 02 2014 14:52 Foblos wrote:On September 30 2014 14:04 Brobe wrote:Think about this, when they broke sparky sparky boom lady out of the ice prison they fought against Korra's dad and Zuko. Their goal was to kill world leaders. They incapacitated the Fire Lord and a Water Tribe Chief then drove off in a truck. They should have just killed them both. As I understand it their goal was simply to end the avatar cycle. Once they all got bending they started to dream bigger and saw a "free" world. I don't think so. Why end the Avatar cycle? The Avatar was pretty popular with just about everyone. I don't think they were so much concerned with the "popular" opinion as they were with implementing their vision of balance to the world. Remember that Zaheer thought Wan separating Vaatu and Raava was foolish; he would much rather humanity remain in its primordial state as Lion Turtle bums than as the predominant species on Earth. In his skewed vision, the truest freedom would be to become spiritually enlightened as he did and be emotionally detached from earthly affiliations to nationality, etc. In that sense the Avatar is arguably the greatest threat to his vision, as the Avatar is probably the world's greatest peacekeeping and nation-protecting agent. With regards to Zuko and Tonraq, you could make an argument that 1)Zuko was not directly a world leader at that point, only a former Fire Lord; 2)Zaheer didn't realize that Tonraq was the current Southern Water Tribe leader at that point due to 13 years of missing information. In any case it seems their goal was to kidnap Korra first from the very beginning; they don't really start targeting world leaders until they start using them as leverage to get Korra to turn herself over. They probably figured that once Korra was gone, the ensuing chaos would make it much easier to coordinate an assault against the world leaders simultaneously.
If a group wanted to kill world leaders, I'd imagine one of the first things they'd do is to figure out who the world leaders were.
That said my point still stands. Killing the Avatar was never the group's only goal.
On October 02 2014 20:36 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 15:05 obesechicken13 wrote:On October 02 2014 14:52 Foblos wrote:On September 30 2014 14:04 Brobe wrote:Think about this, when they broke sparky sparky boom lady out of the ice prison they fought against Korra's dad and Zuko. Their goal was to kill world leaders. They incapacitated the Fire Lord and a Water Tribe Chief then drove off in a truck. They should have just killed them both. As I understand it their goal was simply to end the avatar cycle. Once they all got bending they started to dream bigger and saw a "free" world. I don't think so. Why end the Avatar cycle? The Avatar was pretty popular with just about everyone. Popular and had a lot of haters as well as people who loved the avatar of course. But Ending the cycle was so that the avatar could never interfere again. The world remained peaceful through pretty much every avatar as any aggressive move (like sozin during roku's time) the avatar just shuts them down. Without the avatar that would no longer happen and their version of "chaos" could ensure as they would also be able to kill off all the leaders without having to worry about their biggest threat (the avatar). Made complete sense.
But why make it their only goal? If their original plan was to kill the Avatar and then sit by idly, then the red lotus wouldn't change the world in their vision. It accomplishes nothing.
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S04E01 is out, and it's awesome.
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On October 03 2014 18:26 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
S04E01 is out, and it's awesome.
Well I shouldn't have checked this thread right before I was about to sleep. Oh well, sleep can wait.
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Except the Earth Prince, fuck the Earth Prince.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50861 Posts
On October 03 2014 18:30 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
Except the Earth Prince, fuck the Earth Prince.
yeah that episode was so fucking good, fuck the earth prince.
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Sleep. Avatar. Sleep. Avatar.
Sorry Sleep.
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I miss the times when they would release 2 episodes at a time
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Me too. I love the show, but half an hour at a time is not enough. I might stock pile some episodes after the first and do some "real" Avatar viewing.
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