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Spaylz
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I am growing increasingly sure that by the end of LoK, there will be no more Avatar. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On September 07 2014 05:22 Spaylz wrote: That title speaks volumes. I am growing increasingly sure that by the end of LoK, there will be no more Avatar. Seems reasonable. Korra already lost her link with the past avatars D: | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On September 07 2014 05:22 Spaylz wrote: That title speaks volumes. I am growing increasingly sure that by the end of LoK, there will be no more Avatar. No there will be, the creators said they want to make the ending open ended so that they can leave the series open ended if/when they come back. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2690 Posts
Cool season, though. I wonder if they cut out combustion bender's head exploding, or ever intended to do that more clearly. As it's done now it's kind of a "Oh she's dead now"... made me wonder if the scene was cut because it'd be a bit gruesome. Also, some of the scenes before Korra goes full cornered-animal-avatar looked like they could've been set up a bit better visually, but once she goes flying around the mountains, they captured her attitude perfectly. | ||
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Fi0na
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In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if Zahir went full havoc, but then suddenly finds out his love is still alive and drops out of mid-air. Also the Lava guy coulda escaped in a very similar way as the Avatar did. Just bend your way out through the ground. The fact that we didn't get a single death 100% confirmed worries me. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
Also, no way P'Li survived that. No way whatsoever. If you recall, while she was locked up, she had a metal plate on her forehead. I imagine the purpose of that was to make it so that if she used her bending, she would blow herself up. | ||
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Fleetfeet
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Miragee
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On September 07 2014 16:20 Fi0na wrote: we didn't really see the combustion girl getting killed, did we? There was just smoke as far as I remember, and people have taken far worse hits throughout the series without a scratch. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if Zahir went full havoc, but then suddenly finds out his love is still alive and drops out of mid-air. Also the Lava guy coulda escaped in a very similar way as the Avatar did. Just bend your way out through the ground. The fact that we didn't get a single death 100% confirmed worries me. Nah, I believe she dying is the reason Zaheer is able to fly. Before he flies the first time he quotes the airbender he stole the capsule from (I forgot the name). Then a bit later in the Caverns he answers on the question how he figured out to fly: "I found true freedom. I'm no longer bound to this earth by worldy desires." Zaheer is not the guy that would let go if he isn't sure. They just cut out the scene because you can't show violence like that in a TV show in the US I guess. Also, I think Combustion Man in TLA died the same stupid way. Btw. I hope they don't turn Zaheer into that crazy guy that is caught in his own revolution... | ||
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Vortok
United States830 Posts
On September 07 2014 05:22 Spaylz wrote: That title speaks volumes. I am growing increasingly sure that by the end of LoK, there will be no more Avatar. I've been seeing it in a bit of a different light. Aang will be a bit notable in history due to the whole Fire Nation thing/vanishing for a century/helping found Republic City, but we rarely hear references to any super huge notable stuff that previous avatars have done in the past. So far Korra has reconnected the normal and spirit worlds. Which has led to the nigh extinct airbenders to have a sudden resurgence in population. She also is now the new foundation of the line of avatars, as in the whole advice from past life business - and likely the increased bending knowledge/techniques obtained while in the avatar state. Those are all fairly significant events for the history of the world (last one a bit more avatar-specific), thus "Legend" of Korra seems apt the more we see from how her life unfolds. Seems quite likely that her deeds would/will be remembered by the world far more than most past avatars. As for the 'dies for realz in the avatar state' thing (assuming it won't be turned into a red herring and is legit canon), we could probably come up with some theories all day long. Easiest seems to be linking it to Raava (light spirit the avatar is bonded with). We could assume that dying in the avatar state might kill Raava as well, while death outside it allows Raava to go to the next person chosen as an the avatar as she's been doing for thousands of years. Previously, her dark counterpart (Vaatu) was trapped and we've been told/shown that if one dies, they are eventually reborn inside the other. Since Vaatu was imprisoned, there'd be no way for Raava to merge with a new avatar even after coming back to life thus Raava dying could = avatar is gone. Even though Raava got reborn super fast after getting ripped out of Korra and killed (let's blame harmonic convergence or something for the fast rez), I don't think we've seen Vaatu come back yet. Of course that raises the question of what happens if Raava/Vaatu is killed before the other one reincarnates (if it's possible for anyone besides them) and dying in the avatar state might not actually kill Raava, but do something else that still severs the link in some way. In any case, the main point of the theory is that with Vaatu no longer imprisoned, the end result of death while in the avatar state might now be slightly different, though still likely very serious. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
About Book 4, what if the villain was still the Red Lotus, but in the form of Xai Bau? After all, he created the Red Lotus after the Hundred Year War, so he might not be dead. It certainly has not been established that he is dead. I think there's a solid chance of Xai Bau appearing. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On September 07 2014 18:02 Miragee wrote: Nah, I believe she dying is the reason Zaheer is able to fly. Before he flies the first time he quotes the airbender he stole the capsule from (I forgot the name). Then a bit later in the Caverns he answers on the question how he figured out to fly: "I found true freedom. I'm no longer bound to this earth by worldy desires." Zaheer is not the guy that would let go if he isn't sure. They just cut out the scene because you can't show violence like that in a TV show in the US I guess. Also, I think Combustion Man in TLA died the same stupid way. Btw. I hope they don't turn Zaheer into that crazy guy that is caught in his own revolution... Combustion Man got bonked in the forehead and fell into a bottomless canyon. You totally can show violence like that on TV here, just probably not Nickelodeon. On September 08 2014 04:00 Spaylz wrote: To me, Tenzin's decision to forge the new Air Nation as a safekeeper inspired by the Avatar was a pretty big giveaway. Could be I'm wrong though. About Book 4, what if the villain was still the Red Lotus, but in the form of Xai Bau? After all, he created the Red Lotus after the Hundred Year War, so he might not be dead. It certainly has not been established that he is dead. I think there's a solid chance of Xai Bau appearing. I think Book 4 will mostly be about Korra dealing with a world that doesn't really need an Avatar anymore. The world already has a sort of UN to prevent things like the Hundred Year War happening again. And Tenzin has established spreading peace and maintaining balance as the goal of the new Air Nation. I think that's why Korra cries at the very end of the finale. Her entire life has been about being the Avatar, and just as she finally starts getting pretty good at it, the world might not need her anymore. She placed all her self-worth in her position as the Avatar, and that might not mean anything soon, and it scares her. | ||
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LegalLord
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Miragee
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On September 08 2014 04:23 Millitron wrote: Combustion Man got bonked in the forehead and fell into a bottomless canyon. You totally can show violence like that on TV here, just probably not Nickelodeon. I think Book 4 will mostly be about Korra dealing with a world that doesn't really need an Avatar anymore. The world already has a sort of UN to prevent things like the Hundred Year War happening again. And Tenzin has established spreading peace and maintaining balance as the goal of the new Air Nation. I think that's why Korra cries at the very end of the finale. Her entire life has been about being the Avatar, and just as she finally starts getting pretty good at it, the world might not need her anymore. She placed all her self-worth in her position as the Avatar, and that might not mean anything soon, and it scares her. First of: He got bonked by the boomerang that's right. But after that it is hinted at that the following explosion that he aimed at Aang&Co backfired and busted his head/him. After that he probably felt into that bottomless canyon. To your second thought: I can totally see that coming. I think that would be an interesting change. | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
I don't think Korra will become redundant... I think she'll finally become what the avatar was meant to be, that is, the median and balancor between the spirit world and the human world. I think rather than ensuring there is peace and balance between the 4 nations she will now be doing so with spirits. I mean, even early on in AtlA we heard so much about the spirits being angry and feeling neglected. Korra is a legend because she has changed and improved the role of the Avatar! Wan grew up in the world where bending was a commidity and a special ability. Korra has grown up in a world where bending is seen as "elitist" and has a lot of negative connotations attached to it. Korra is a legend because she is the new Wan, the new Avatar! The Avatar that the worlds need! | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On September 08 2014 05:00 Miragee wrote: First of: He got bonked by the boomerang that's right. But after that it is hinted at that the following explosion that he aimed at Aang&Co backfired and busted his head/him. After that he probably felt into that bottomless canyon. To your second thought: I can totally see that coming. I think that would be an interesting change. Combustion man blew himself up in a previous episode and lived though. I'm just a little worried that my idea for book 4 is a little too much for Nickelodeon. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2690 Posts
On September 08 2014 04:23 Millitron wrote: Combustion Man got bonked in the forehead and fell into a bottomless canyon. You totally can show violence like that on TV here, just probably not Nickelodeon. I think Book 4 will mostly be about Korra dealing with a world that doesn't really need an Avatar anymore. The world already has a sort of UN to prevent things like the Hundred Year War happening again. And Tenzin has established spreading peace and maintaining balance as the goal of the new Air Nation. I think that's why Korra cries at the very end of the finale. Her entire life has been about being the Avatar, and just as she finally starts getting pretty good at it, the world might not need her anymore. She placed all her self-worth in her position as the Avatar, and that might not mean anything soon, and it scares her. Even so, the way they set it up didn't even make it clear that she was hurt or captured. You see the armour wrap around her face, and then cut to the shot above of Tonrok facing off against Zaheer, with a plume of smoke in the background. The "combustion" tic-tic audio queue hadn't played, and the smoke is already there. If it wasn't for Zaheer saying something that lets you know she's dead, I'd just assume she was incapacitated or captured, and that the smoke was from all the other shit that's been blowing up in that fight. I'd think a simple addition of the audio queue followed by a plume of smoke would have sold the idea better, while still being an off-screen death. I guess they probably had something like that, but even that was too gruesome for a children's show. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On September 07 2014 13:01 Fleetfeet wrote: It's not like there aren't a ton of different ways to keep the idea going if they kill off the avatar. If they're allowed to go "Oh its platinum you can't bend that" then a "Oh we only thought the avatar was permadead if she died in avatar state, turns out it just severs the lines and births a new avatar anyways" is far from unreasonable. Fill that in with any avatar born evil / dark avatar/ dual avatars scenario and you've got enough conflict to carry another season. Or even no avatar, but everyone is given mastery over the four elements. I'd go for a story where the protagonist wasn't born a god, but actually had to earn their power. Leaves faar more room for character development. Cool season, though. I wonder if they cut out combustion bender's head exploding, or ever intended to do that more clearly. As it's done now it's kind of a "Oh she's dead now"... made me wonder if the scene was cut because it'd be a bit gruesome. Also, some of the scenes before Korra goes full cornered-animal-avatar looked like they could've been set up a bit better visually, but once she goes flying around the mountains, they captured her attitude perfectly. the entire point of atla was that aang wasn't born a god and had to learn everything except airbending from the ground up as for P'li clear that she died, no question whatsoever. you can see that the explosion goes off in the container. and the smoke is where she was standing. | ||
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LegalLord
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On September 09 2014 19:33 LegalLord wrote: I wonder if Guru Laghima was a villain in his time, or at least an extremist. His quotes sound really unusual for an airbender, and definitely not the sort of thing that the airbending monks of TLA flashbacks would say. We don't know exactly when Guru Lakhima lived. Tenzin says that no one has been able to fly like Zahir did in several thousand years, so Lakhima could be anywhere from 10,000 to 2,000 years before LoK. The airbenders weren't necessarily all passive monks for that entire time. | ||
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Warri
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