EPT[TV] The Legend of Korra - Page 167
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obesechicken13
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UniversalSnip
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On September 30 2013 09:14 Gahlo wrote: That "little ball" was roughly the size of a battleship. Aside from which, maybe I'm misremembering this, but don't normal benders have to be physically close to part of what they're bending, and the avatar state lets you bypass that? Like, if you want to bend some ocean waves from your ship, you'd need to get some kind of line of contact with the ocean surface, but if you were in the avatar state you could just whip it around from on deck. For example, in the avatar state aang was floating around and he threw up an earth barrier around yakone. He wasn't touching the ground right? And normal benders pretty much stomp it to maximize contact because that's important to them. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On September 30 2013 09:23 UniversalSnip wrote: Aside from which, maybe I'm misremembering this, but don't normal benders have to be physically close to part of what they're bending, and the avatar state lets you bypass that? Like, if you want to bend some ocean waves from your ship, you'd need to get some kind of line of contact with the ocean surface, but if you were in the avatar state you could just whip it around from on deck. For example, in the avatar state aang was floating around and he threw up an earth barrier around yakone. He wasn't touching the ground right? And normal benders pretty much stomp it to maximize contact because that's important to them. I don't think so. In season 1, Katara managed to bend water hidden underground that she wasn't physically close to or couldn't even see. And she hadn't found her master yet, so she was nowhere near her full potential. And yeah, the little ball is the size of a battleship. But to me it still looks like that's waterbending someone could achieve outside of the Avatar state. I mean, hell, the first time you see Aang waterbend in the Avatar state he summons a whole torrent around himself and throws everyone off Zuko's ship. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On September 30 2013 09:33 Spaylz wrote: I don't think so. In season 1, Katara managed to bend water hidden underground that she wasn't physically close to or couldn't even see. And she hadn't found her master yet, so she was nowhere near her full potential. And yeah, the little ball is the size of a battleship. But to me it still looks like that's waterbending someone could achieve outside of the Avatar state. I mean, hell, the first time you see Aang waterbend in the Avatar state he summons a whole torrent around himself and throws everyone off Zuko's ship. And, again, She wasn't trying to hurt anybody. Being able to cause such a big disruption while limiting damage is a major effort as far as control goes, which we all know isn't one of her strong suits. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On September 30 2013 09:41 Gahlo wrote: And, again, She wasn't trying to hurt anybody. Being able to cause such a big disruption while limiting damage is a major effort as far as control goes, which we all know isn't one of her strong suits. You're missing the point entirely. It simply seems overkill to enter the Avatar state to perform that. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 30 2013 10:17 Spaylz wrote: You're missing the point entirely. It simply seems overkill to enter the Avatar state to perform that. Maybe she's just not that great of a waterbender. Or maybe it takes too much effort :/ | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
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1godless
United States247 Posts
Remember when Aang had nightmares about the Avatar state? Like about how powerful and scary it was... I know Korra supposedly has mastery of it, but she shouldn't use it for something as menial as pushing boats aside. I just feel like the avatar state has been cheapened, like Roku wasn't even in the Avatar state half the time he was fighting that volcano... idk it just seems sacrilegious in a way Also the water nation blockade could learn a lot from the fire nation ones, I mean I don't think they fired a single shot... | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2551 Posts
On September 30 2013 11:40 1godless wrote: Going back to the brief avatar state moment korra had... Remember when Aang had nightmares about the Avatar state? Like about how powerful and scary it was... I know Korra supposedly has mastery of it, but she shouldn't use it for something as menial as pushing boats aside. I just feel like the avatar state has been cheapened, like Roku wasn't even in the Avatar state half the time he was fighting that volcano... idk it just seems sacrilegious in a way Also the water nation blockade could learn a lot from the fire nation ones, I mean I don't think they fired a single shot... Okay two things. First, bending has become way more frequent and extremely commodified. Remember how lightning could only be summoned by the elites of the fire nation? Well now we have an entire work force dedicated to powering the republic city power plants through lightning bending. The same goes for metal bending. Every cop basically needs to master it in order to keep his job. Bending has also become a sport like boxing. It's no longer the mystical magic powers that mages used in their legendary duels. Now, anyone who's anyone has a bender in their family. The same goes for the avatar state I guess. It highlights the world's gradual shift from the spiritual age and into the modern era. Even things like spirit powers have simply become tools for humans to master. I mean look at the portals on the north and south pole. Unalaq wants to basically make it into a tram system for transportation between the poles. The convenient switching too and from the avatar state just reflects this theme. Second, the blockade didn't want to shoot on its own people and start a war. Probably Unalaq's own orders. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 30 2013 11:40 1godless wrote: Going back to the brief avatar state moment korra had... Remember when Aang had nightmares about the Avatar state? Like about how powerful and scary it was... I know Korra supposedly has mastery of it, but she shouldn't use it for something as menial as pushing boats aside. I just feel like the avatar state has been cheapened, like Roku wasn't even in the Avatar state half the time he was fighting that volcano... idk it just seems sacrilegious in a way Also the water nation blockade could learn a lot from the fire nation ones, I mean I don't think they fired a single shot... It might be intended that Korra is misusing the Avatar State for menial things. Korra used the Avatar State to win a race against Ikki. I don't know if cheapened is the right word, but perhaps the authors want to say something about spirituality this chapter. They don't think that using the Avatar State to cheat in race is the only thing wrong with the people. I don't think the Avatar State is related to a religion either so nothing she does can be "sacreligious". No one seems to worship Korra or any past Avatars. People treat her as if she were a spiritual leader for a different religion though. There are those who follow the teachings of airbenders, and it's likely Korra has a fan club, but I don't think there's an Avatar religion. People probably better understand the Avatar State. Finally, I don't think it's wrong to use the Avatar state to move two ships by lifting several tons of water 10 meters. | ||
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United States10328 Posts
On September 30 2013 06:50 Gahlo wrote: It's an issue of cleared chakra more than spirituality. There's a popular theory that the firs season had a subtheme of her clearing them. Ok, I can sort of see that (guilt, shame, etc... come to think of it, she seems to have done well with her "earthly attachment" chakra, judging from how she's treated her family  ), but it still seems like clearing chakras should be heavily related to spirituality? | ||
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Lysteria
France2280 Posts
On September 30 2013 10:25 obesechicken13 wrote: Maybe she's just not that great of a waterbender. Or maybe it takes too much effort :/ It would suck considering she's a water bender to begin with. | ||
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nanospartan
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AnotherRandom
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On September 30 2013 12:51 obesechicken13 wrote: It might be intended that Korra is misusing the Avatar State for menial things. Korra used the Avatar State to win a race against Ikki. That's a very good point. I had forgotten about that. There is a big difference between Aang and Korra on that matter. Aang was reluctant about being the Avatar, and until late season 3 he only entered it as a defense mechanism triggered by the Avatar state itself (if you exclude that time when Azula shot him down). Because of that, you can assume that whenever he entered the Avatar state, it was always at full power. Essentially, it wasn't Aang anymore, it was the spirit of all the Avatars combined. Korra however is a fully realized Avatar, but her power does seem underwhelming. Most likely because she is not in touch with her spiritual self as much as Aang was. He may have been younger, but he was raised amongst monks and spirituality was taught to him pretty early on. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On October 01 2013 01:18 Spaylz wrote: Korra however is a fully realized Avatar, but her power does seem underwhelming. Most likely because she is not in touch with her spiritual self as much as Aang was. He may have been younger, but he was raised amongst monks and spirituality was taught to him pretty early on. I don't think that it has anything to do with her lack of spiritual awareness, but rather the fact that every bender in LoK feels underwhelming compared to TLA. Besides - spiritual awareness only seemed to affect Airbending capabilities. Atleast her Fire- and Earthbending should be totally unaffected. | ||
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Uridium
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sashkata
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Valiver
Caldeum1977 Posts
But seriously I agree that it can't have been the north tribe who did the bombing. I also think that the twins were aware that the spirit was coming to abduct Korra. They were on a mission to bring her back, and they seem to take things seriously. So why when they saw a light did they back off so quickly? If they had nothing to do with it, why didn't they check around at least a little before heading back home without Korra? This leads me to believe that the spirit was part of Unalaq's plan. | ||
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