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On March 26 2012 09:44 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:39 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 26 2012 09:26 Zerothegreat wrote:On March 26 2012 09:18 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 26 2012 07:59 Zerothegreat wrote:On March 26 2012 07:51 killa_robot wrote:On March 26 2012 07:47 darkmetal505 wrote:On March 26 2012 07:00 Zerothegreat wrote:
I tried to watch the original TV series but couldn't get into it... It's too cartoony for me I guess. I prefer darker anime like Death Note & Fullmetal Alchemist.
Maybe I will give it another try... Eh, the Avatar series isn't really an anime. Though it is very comparable, a lot of the things that make it so great are not found in anime. LOL at Death Note and FMA being "dark anime". Well an anime is any animated series made in Japan, so by definition it's not an anime at all. However if you compare it to western cartoons and anime, it has much more in common with anime. I'm curious as to what you think it has that isn't found in animes though. Also I skipped the original Avatar's entire first season, apart from the first few episodes. Honestly I don't feel I missed much there anyways. Like no one dies... The hero being too scared to kill people just makes the whole thing kinda weak. Like Superman putting Lex Luther in jail and he just keeps escaping. It just gets annoying. And yes FMA and DN have "dark themes". >.> But I guess I shouldn't expect it to be too anime-like since it's a part of Nickelodeon. I did like the remake of DBZ they did though. Always annoys me when people act like killing is a "dark theme" and global war and oppression are "cartoony". If the only qualifications to make a series "darker" is to cross some arbitrary censorship lines, it's not something worth judging a work on. No, It's dark when the hero isn't some "perfect person." Where they make questionable decisions and show that they aren't some Jesus like character. The main character in Death Note is mainly a villain, but he believes what he is doing is right. In FMA, the brothers commit the ultimate taboo by trying human transmutation. It's decisions like these that give the characters more depth and make them seem more "human." But anyways, I don't want to derail this thread so let's try to keep to the topic at hand.  Completely ignoring the number of "dark" series where the main character is, explicitly, a "pure" character? Narutaru, Liar Game, Madoka, Black Lagoon... What you're describing is the 1990's Anti-Hero fad, where adding cheap flaws is supposed to make something more interesting. Characters are interesting because they're fleshed out and have depth, not because they shot someone. Avatar is wrapped in a PG packaging and humour, but has a mature story with "dark themes". Aang had depth......lol.
What does your comment bring to this thread?
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On March 26 2012 09:50 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:44 Tabbris wrote:On March 26 2012 09:39 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 26 2012 09:26 Zerothegreat wrote:On March 26 2012 09:18 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 26 2012 07:59 Zerothegreat wrote:On March 26 2012 07:51 killa_robot wrote:On March 26 2012 07:47 darkmetal505 wrote:On March 26 2012 07:00 Zerothegreat wrote:
I tried to watch the original TV series but couldn't get into it... It's too cartoony for me I guess. I prefer darker anime like Death Note & Fullmetal Alchemist.
Maybe I will give it another try... Eh, the Avatar series isn't really an anime. Though it is very comparable, a lot of the things that make it so great are not found in anime. LOL at Death Note and FMA being "dark anime". Well an anime is any animated series made in Japan, so by definition it's not an anime at all. However if you compare it to western cartoons and anime, it has much more in common with anime. I'm curious as to what you think it has that isn't found in animes though. Also I skipped the original Avatar's entire first season, apart from the first few episodes. Honestly I don't feel I missed much there anyways. Like no one dies... The hero being too scared to kill people just makes the whole thing kinda weak. Like Superman putting Lex Luther in jail and he just keeps escaping. It just gets annoying. And yes FMA and DN have "dark themes". >.> But I guess I shouldn't expect it to be too anime-like since it's a part of Nickelodeon. I did like the remake of DBZ they did though. Always annoys me when people act like killing is a "dark theme" and global war and oppression are "cartoony". If the only qualifications to make a series "darker" is to cross some arbitrary censorship lines, it's not something worth judging a work on. No, It's dark when the hero isn't some "perfect person." Where they make questionable decisions and show that they aren't some Jesus like character. The main character in Death Note is mainly a villain, but he believes what he is doing is right. In FMA, the brothers commit the ultimate taboo by trying human transmutation. It's decisions like these that give the characters more depth and make them seem more "human." But anyways, I don't want to derail this thread so let's try to keep to the topic at hand. Completely ignoring the number of "dark" series where the main character is, explicitly, a "pure" character? Narutaru, Liar Game, Madoka, Black Lagoon... What you're describing is the 1990's Anti-Hero fad, where adding cheap flaws is supposed to make something more interesting. Characters are interesting because they're fleshed out and have depth, not because they shot someone. Avatar is wrapped in a PG packaging and humour, but has a mature story with "dark themes". Aang had depth......lol. What does your comment bring to this thread?
Oh? Do I have to explain this to you? Cleary I disagreed with his statement and wanted to hear a defense for it.
Now Im ganna type a response to so called defense. KK? Happy I could explain that to you.
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Watched the first 2 episodes, it was mehish for me(huge fan of the original). I really hope they don't focus too much "probending" else I feel like Im watching a mix of yugioh and prince of tennis.
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On March 26 2012 09:48 WolfintheSheep wrote:Not sure what show you watched...because Aang had plenty of depth. He was a kid that was told to save the world. If you focus on just that element alone, and bothered to pay attention from episode 1 to the final season, there's a marked difference in him actually taking responsibility for who he is, and a big change in his overall attitude.
I wouldent call Aang a character with that much depth. Throughout the series the only thing he was really scared about was facing the fire lord. In the beginning he didnt care that much for saving the world but as he saw oppression of the fire nation he soon became focused on what he must do. That happens in only around 5 episodes maybe? The only other conflict I remember of him having with himself was when he didnt want to kill the fire lord. But then the writers gave Aang energy bending out of nowhere which saved the day. In terms of story I thought Aang was pretty simple. The only change I saw at the end of the series is that he got a little braver.
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SOOOO Many nerd chills out of this upcoming show
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On March 26 2012 09:26 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:18 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 26 2012 07:59 Zerothegreat wrote:On March 26 2012 07:51 killa_robot wrote:On March 26 2012 07:47 darkmetal505 wrote:On March 26 2012 07:00 Zerothegreat wrote:
I tried to watch the original TV series but couldn't get into it... It's too cartoony for me I guess. I prefer darker anime like Death Note & Fullmetal Alchemist.
Maybe I will give it another try... Eh, the Avatar series isn't really an anime. Though it is very comparable, a lot of the things that make it so great are not found in anime. LOL at Death Note and FMA being "dark anime". Well an anime is any animated series made in Japan, so by definition it's not an anime at all. However if you compare it to western cartoons and anime, it has much more in common with anime. I'm curious as to what you think it has that isn't found in animes though. Also I skipped the original Avatar's entire first season, apart from the first few episodes. Honestly I don't feel I missed much there anyways. Like no one dies... The hero being too scared to kill people just makes the whole thing kinda weak. Like Superman putting Lex Luther in jail and he just keeps escaping. It just gets annoying. And yes FMA and DN have "dark themes". >.> But I guess I shouldn't expect it to be too anime-like since it's a part of Nickelodeon. I did like the remake of DBZ they did though. Always annoys me when people act like killing is a "dark theme" and global war and oppression are "cartoony". If the only qualifications to make a series "darker" is to cross some arbitrary censorship lines, it's not something worth judging a work on. No, It's dark when the hero isn't some "perfect person." Where they make questionable decisions and show that they aren't some Jesus like character. The main character in Death Note is mainly a villain, but he believes what he is doing is right. In FMA, the brothers commit the ultimate taboo by trying human transmutation. It's decisions like these that give the characters more depth and make them seem more "human." But anyways, I don't want to derail this thread so let's try to keep to the topic at hand.
Aang does make questionable ethical decisions in the series as his character developed; he starts off as an immature, innocent kid (i.e., season 1), but he's angry and vindictive at points (e.g., when he uses excessive force against the sandbenders who stole Appa while they retreat). It's not really brilliant, intricate character development, but it's not worse than most anime series directed primarily towards kids like FMA. Aang was never exactly a pacifist. Not wanting to kill people because it was against his principles didn't detract from the fights (which mostly involved other characters anyway) and from his character.
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On March 26 2012 09:26 Tabbris wrote:
My only problem with the show is that it wont have Toph
One of the most badass characters ever
Still time for good characters to come out. I would have thought Zuko was some retarded character from the first 2 eps of the last airbender but he turned into by far my favorite character.
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On March 26 2012 10:08 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:48 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 26 2012 09:44 Tabbris wrote:
Aang had depth......lol.
Not sure what show you watched...because Aang had plenty of depth. He was a kid that was told to save the world. If you focus on just that element alone, and bothered to pay attention from episode 1 to the final season, there's a marked difference in him actually taking responsibility for who he is, and a big change in his overall attitude. I wouldent call Aang a character with that much depth. Throughout the series the only thing he was really scared about was facing the fire lord. In the beginning he didnt care that much for saving the world but as he saw oppression of the fire nation he soon became focused on what he must do. That happens in only around 5 episodes maybe? The only other conflict I remember of him having with himself was when he didnt want to kill the fire lord. But then the writers gave Aang energy bending out of nowhere which saved the day. In terms of story I thought Aang was pretty simple. The only change I saw at the end of the series is that he got a little braver.
I think Aang's character had plenty of depth, perhaps he didn't go through as much of a notable transformation as characters such as Zuko but you still saw Aang grow over the course of the series.
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I always found the original bending disciplines quite flat. However I was always interested to learn about stuff like sand bending/metal bending. I feel like they could've expanded on that quite alot.
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On March 26 2012 10:28 reincremate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:26 Zerothegreat wrote:On March 26 2012 09:18 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 26 2012 07:59 Zerothegreat wrote:On March 26 2012 07:51 killa_robot wrote:On March 26 2012 07:47 darkmetal505 wrote:On March 26 2012 07:00 Zerothegreat wrote:
I tried to watch the original TV series but couldn't get into it... It's too cartoony for me I guess. I prefer darker anime like Death Note & Fullmetal Alchemist.
Maybe I will give it another try... Eh, the Avatar series isn't really an anime. Though it is very comparable, a lot of the things that make it so great are not found in anime. LOL at Death Note and FMA being "dark anime". Well an anime is any animated series made in Japan, so by definition it's not an anime at all. However if you compare it to western cartoons and anime, it has much more in common with anime. I'm curious as to what you think it has that isn't found in animes though. Also I skipped the original Avatar's entire first season, apart from the first few episodes. Honestly I don't feel I missed much there anyways. Like no one dies... The hero being too scared to kill people just makes the whole thing kinda weak. Like Superman putting Lex Luther in jail and he just keeps escaping. It just gets annoying. And yes FMA and DN have "dark themes". >.> But I guess I shouldn't expect it to be too anime-like since it's a part of Nickelodeon. I did like the remake of DBZ they did though. Always annoys me when people act like killing is a "dark theme" and global war and oppression are "cartoony". If the only qualifications to make a series "darker" is to cross some arbitrary censorship lines, it's not something worth judging a work on. No, It's dark when the hero isn't some "perfect person." Where they make questionable decisions and show that they aren't some Jesus like character. The main character in Death Note is mainly a villain, but he believes what he is doing is right. In FMA, the brothers commit the ultimate taboo by trying human transmutation. It's decisions like these that give the characters more depth and make them seem more "human." But anyways, I don't want to derail this thread so let's try to keep to the topic at hand. Aang does make questionable ethical decisions in the series as his character developed; he starts off as an immature, innocent kid (i.e., season 1), but he's angry and vindictive at points (e.g., when he uses excessive force against the sandbenders who stole Appa while they retreat). It's not really brilliant, intricate character development, but it's not worse than most anime series directed primarily towards kids like FMA. Aang was never exactly a pacifist. Not wanting to kill people because it was against his principles didn't detract from the fights (which mostly involved other characters anyway) and from his character.
Well this Avatar compared to FMA thing kinda seems pretty popular on this thread. Lets look At Edward Elric At the beginning. He was a cocky guy who didnt want to get close with anybody. His only goal in mind was getting his body back and to do that he would almost do anything. He even joined the military which he despised. Beginning-mid way through the show he has no respect for anyone in the military. Most obviously is this shown between Mustang and him. As the series progressed however Edward and Mustang gained complete trust in eachother as Eds respect for the people in the military grows. e.g. When Ed talked to haw eye about the war.He gains a whole cast of people who he would call his friends. And he is way less cocky and disrespectful in the later part of the show compared to the beginning. He also comes to terms with the man he hated (Scar). ect. I can list other examples too.
So since we are comparing FMA to Avatar id say FMA has a pretty clear head in the charater development side.
Tho dont get me wrong I dont think FMA is a shining example of Charater develpment or anything its just happenes to be better done I thought in FMA.
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On March 26 2012 11:29 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:28 reincremate wrote:On March 26 2012 09:26 Zerothegreat wrote:On March 26 2012 09:18 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 26 2012 07:59 Zerothegreat wrote:On March 26 2012 07:51 killa_robot wrote:On March 26 2012 07:47 darkmetal505 wrote:On March 26 2012 07:00 Zerothegreat wrote:
I tried to watch the original TV series but couldn't get into it... It's too cartoony for me I guess. I prefer darker anime like Death Note & Fullmetal Alchemist.
Maybe I will give it another try... Eh, the Avatar series isn't really an anime. Though it is very comparable, a lot of the things that make it so great are not found in anime. LOL at Death Note and FMA being "dark anime". Well an anime is any animated series made in Japan, so by definition it's not an anime at all. However if you compare it to western cartoons and anime, it has much more in common with anime. I'm curious as to what you think it has that isn't found in animes though. Also I skipped the original Avatar's entire first season, apart from the first few episodes. Honestly I don't feel I missed much there anyways. Like no one dies... The hero being too scared to kill people just makes the whole thing kinda weak. Like Superman putting Lex Luther in jail and he just keeps escaping. It just gets annoying. And yes FMA and DN have "dark themes". >.> But I guess I shouldn't expect it to be too anime-like since it's a part of Nickelodeon. I did like the remake of DBZ they did though. Always annoys me when people act like killing is a "dark theme" and global war and oppression are "cartoony". If the only qualifications to make a series "darker" is to cross some arbitrary censorship lines, it's not something worth judging a work on. No, It's dark when the hero isn't some "perfect person." Where they make questionable decisions and show that they aren't some Jesus like character. The main character in Death Note is mainly a villain, but he believes what he is doing is right. In FMA, the brothers commit the ultimate taboo by trying human transmutation. It's decisions like these that give the characters more depth and make them seem more "human." But anyways, I don't want to derail this thread so let's try to keep to the topic at hand. Aang does make questionable ethical decisions in the series as his character developed; he starts off as an immature, innocent kid (i.e., season 1), but he's angry and vindictive at points (e.g., when he uses excessive force against the sandbenders who stole Appa while they retreat). It's not really brilliant, intricate character development, but it's not worse than most anime series directed primarily towards kids like FMA. Aang was never exactly a pacifist. Not wanting to kill people because it was against his principles didn't detract from the fights (which mostly involved other characters anyway) and from his character. Well this Avatar compared to FMA thing kinda seems pretty popular on this thread. Lets look At Edward Elric At the beginning. He was a cocky guy who didnt want to get close with anybody. His only goal in mind was getting his body back and to do that he would almost do anything. He even joined the military which he despised. Beginning-mid way through the show he has no respect for anyone in the military. Most obviously is this shown between Mustang and him. As the series progressed however Edward and Mustang gained complete trust in eachother as Eds respect for the people in the military grows. e.g. When Ed talked to haw eye during the war. He also Comes to terms with Scar. He gains a whole cast of people who he would call his friends. And he is way less cocky and disrespectful in the later part of the show compared to the beginning. He also comes to terms with the man he hated (Scar). ect. I can list other examples too. So since we are comparing FMA to Avatar id say FMA has a pretty clear head in the charater development side. Tho dont get me wrong I dont think FMA is a shining example of Charater develpment or anything its just happenes to be better done I thought in FMA.
^this pretty much.
Edward Elric has more of a "complex" transition while Aang's is more "simplistic" and easier to follow. Both work for both shows though. As keeping things simple for the younger audience is the best way to go. It's still a good show for young audiences I think. Each show targets different audiences and are good at what they do.
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On March 26 2012 11:29 Tabbris wrote:
So since we are comparing FMA to Avatar id say FMA has a pretty clear head in the charater development side.
Tho dont get me wrong I dont think FMA is a shining example of Charater develpment or anything its just happenes to be better done I thought in FMA.
I don't see how that's "better done". Fire-forged allies are typical of any long story. Heck, the exact same thing happens in Avatar...
Even more, it's extremely typical of any moody protagonist.
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On March 26 2012 14:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 11:29 Tabbris wrote:
So since we are comparing FMA to Avatar id say FMA has a pretty clear head in the charater development side.
Tho dont get me wrong I dont think FMA is a shining example of Charater develpment or anything its just happenes to be better done I thought in FMA. I don't see how that's "better done". Fire-forged allies are typical of any long story. Heck, the exact same thing happens in Avatar... Even more, it's extremely typical of any moody protagonist.
Fire-forged allies are a common theme in literature and storytelling. Period. It's a common theme in real life.
Aside: The sheer amount of FMA v Avatar going on in this thread right now is pretty interesting. I have never watched FMA in my life (nor a lot of other Animes except the few my gf or sister "forced" me to watch).
So. I think I'm going to sniff out the original series and try to marathon through them again before the third episode comes out. Need to refresh my memory. And watch more Agni Kai because pro-bending was disappointing.
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On March 26 2012 09:26 Tabbris wrote:
My only problem with the show is that it wont have Toph
One of the most badass characters ever
Bigger problem, no Azula. So badass. This new bad guy doesn't look like he will be able to compare at all.
Her coup of Ba Sing Se still gives me chills.
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On March 26 2012 15:50 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 09:26 Tabbris wrote:
My only problem with the show is that it wont have Toph
One of the most badass characters ever Bigger problem, no Azula. So badass. This new bad guy doesn't look like he will be able to compare at all. Her coup of Ba Sing Se still gives me chills.
Agreed. Azula is one of the most badass characters I've ever seen.
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Azula had time to be impressive, and the Ba Sing Se coup came way after she was introduced. Give it time...
So I just watched. From the preview to the opening credits, I was not feeling great about this. And then Korra came on as a pot-bellied kid and I thought "well, I like that, we'll see". And wow has it won me over. It looks so good, and they've managed politics in a show targeted for a generally young crowd better than Star Wars I-III ever hoped to do. And that depth is the least of what I love! Such good conflicts, I like every character I've seen so far, and despite pro bending being a setback in a lot of ways, it makes sense that it could develop her skills in new ways not yet addressed.
I lowered my expectations, and thought I hadn't lowered them enough. I was blown away. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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I'm just happy the bending and general art and animation look so sick. Although, the length of this series is a concern, considering her bending knowledge at the opening of the series.
Edit: And the plot regarding + Show Spoiler [Plot stuff] +benders versus non-benders
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On March 26 2012 17:14 seiferoth10 wrote:I'm just happy the bending and general art and animation look so sick. Although, the length of this series is a concern, considering her bending knowledge at the opening of the series. Edit: And the plot regarding + Show Spoiler [Plot stuff] +benders versus non-benders has potential, but only if the other side had legit combat/tactics instead of some overpowered plot device to keep them relevant.
I actually LOVE that she already knows 3. They already hinted that she really only knows the physical side of the bending so there is always that. But I love knowing that more then likely only one season will be about Korra learning to bend. TLA was almost straight through just about Aang learning the elements, but while they did a great job of hiding it and adding more to the story, I think being free of this "He/She is still learning" element will open up even greater storytelling.
As for the depth of characters. TLA doesnt have the deepest characters, the darkest themes, best story telling, best fight scenes, or really anything the best. But what it does is it has it all and does each of them well. The story always kept me interested, I always found myself laughing, and I still loving talking about the characters/world years after watching the series.
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I've only watched the first episode and that's too soon to make a real judgement but here are a few things for me :
Things I liked in The Last Airbender :
-Ang being the last airbender was a fun plot point. He wasn't aware of anything in the world as well. Also the character was just interesting. New one seems a bit lame in comparison but it's 1 episode in so I'll wait on that. She seems like the female version of the brother from the first series except with bending; that's not good for a main character.
-Airbending itself : flying, jumping around... awesome stuff. The only thing the main character here can't do yet T_T.
-Adventuring. Just seeing the world and such on random quests was fun.
-The uncle from the fire dude.
Things I didn't like :
-The big fucking city they stayed in for like 10 episodes or more.
-Probably some other things but mostly that.
So yeah, they start off by having her go to a big city and staying there for the foreseable future. Awesome.
I'm not going to give up on it because I liked the first one but that's a major downer for me.
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