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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On March 26 2012 07:59 Zerothegreat wrote: Like no one dies... The hero being too scared to kill people just makes the whole thing kinda weak. Like Superman putting Lex Luther in jail and he just keeps escaping. It just gets annoying. And yes FMA and DN have "dark themes". >.> But I guess I shouldn't expect it to be too anime-like since it's a part of Nickelodeon. I did like the remake of DBZ they did though. This is pretty true. They had to keep the violence kid friendly at all times. But I thought avatar did that marvelously by how awesome the bending was to watch. So it never really bothered me | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On March 26 2012 01:45 Makavillin wrote: Is the Last Airbender really that good? I tried watching the movie first, what a bad idea lol. Yes, it is that good! The series starts off very childish, (as it is a kiddy show), but the 2nd and 3rd season are awesome! I understand your skepticism though. I watched it the first time through when I was like 22 or something, but my bf insisted I watch it through with him. At first I was all "wtf this is a kids show u noob" but pretty soon I was totally addicted. it really is a good show! Give it a shot! | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:04 Tabbris wrote: This is pretty true. They had to keep the violence kid friendly at all times. But I thought avatar did that marvelously by how awesome the bending was to watch. So it never really bothered me Yeah, the bending part and the whole theme is cool. Other than the non-violence thing... Like I said, maybe I will give it another shot. | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:06 Haemonculus wrote: Yes, it is that good! The series starts off very childish, (as it is a kiddy show), but the 2nd and 3rd season are awesome! I understand your skepticism though. I watched it the first time through when I was like 22 or something, but my bf insisted I watch it through with him. At first I was all "wtf this is a kids show u noob" but pretty soon I was totally addicted. it really is a good show! Give it a shot! Just wanted to say, I love your name Haemonculus :D | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On March 26 2012 07:59 Zerothegreat wrote: Like no one dies... The hero being too scared to kill people just makes the whole thing kinda weak. Like Superman putting Lex Luther in jail and he just keeps escaping. It just gets annoying. And yes FMA and DN have "dark themes". >.> But I guess I shouldn't expect it to be too anime-like since it's a part of Nickelodeon. I did like the remake of DBZ they did though. There are plenty of animes where no one dies, and where the hero doesn't want to kill people. I guess since you only watch "dark" animes you wouldn't know of them though. They have dark settings, but the themes aren't overtly dark in Death Note. It deals with death and playing god, but I wouldn't really call those dark. I'll agree FMA has a pretty dark theme though. | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:31 killa_robot wrote: There are plenty of animes where no one dies, and where the hero doesn't want to kill people. I guess since you only watch "dark" animes you wouldn't know of them though. They have dark settings, but the themes aren't overtly dark in Death Note. It deals with death and playing god, but I wouldn't really call those dark. I'll agree FMA has a pretty dark theme though. Yeah, I know there are a lot of animes where people don't die. My wife loves Inyuyasha, sigh lol, but I think it targets female audiences more. You just have your shows that target certain demographics. I was a fan of TMNT when I was a child, so I can still get into some of the more family friendly shows.  | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [FMA stuff] + Btw.. in FMA, only hughes and some of the bad guys die right? And that's only in the manga and brotherhood, not the adapted anime. | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
"the big bad badger moles.. who earthbend the tunnels.. hate the wolfbats, but love the sounds.." haha.. lmao, one of my favourite parts. XD | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On March 26 2012 08:44 obesechicken13 wrote: I love how the characters are so relatable. Already it feels like I know someone like Korra! :D + Show Spoiler + Btw.. in FMA, only hughes and some of the bad guys die right? And that's only in the manga and brotherhood, not the adapted anime. You might want to add spoilers there lol... | ||
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darkmetal505
United States639 Posts
On March 26 2012 07:51 killa_robot wrote: Well an anime is any animated series made in Japan, so by definition it's not an anime at all. However if you compare it to western cartoons and anime, it has much more in common with anime. I'm curious as to what you think it has that isn't found in animes though. Also I skipped the original Avatar's entire first season, apart from the first few episodes. Honestly I don't feel I missed much there anyways. First, the show's primary language is English. A lot of the humor and puns work so well because of this. When you translate a show by either subbing or dubbing it, you lose some of the subtle understanding that comes with the native language. I'm sure if I understood Japanese, I would enjoy anime even more. Second, I feel the show doesn't follow the arc stereotype like other segmented anime. You quickly learn that the Fire Nation is the bad guy and you can deduce that Aang will have to defeat Ozai toward the end of the show. Though the seasons are separated into the books by bending, they more or less blend together. Avatar also does the development and resolution of plot thing for every episode. This is very Pokemon-esqe. You are usually introduced to some primary conflict at the beginning of the episode and it is solved at the end. The episodes that do have carried plot are the ones that are numbered by part 1,2,3 etc. Sometimes, you'll even have a continuing plot carry over episodes that are not numbered. For instance, from when Appa was stolen to when he was found, it was always on the back of your mind even when the Fire Nation drill was attacking the wall. In most arc type anime, every episode kind of hangs with a cliffhanger, an unsaid "to be continued" throughout that arc. I shouldn't have said not found in anime, but rather, not found in related anime. If you were comparing Avatar to an anime, you'd generally describe it along the lines of a shonen such as FMA, One Piece, and maybe even Naruto a little bit. Then again, something like FMA isn't really arc'ed and One Piece has many continuing plots. In none of them, however, you can call out the ending of the series (in OP and Naruto you still can't). There are also other things like continuous character development even of minor characters and type of episodes I could talk about that differ, but the above points are the major ones which I find refreshingly great. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2550 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On March 26 2012 07:59 Zerothegreat wrote: Like no one dies... The hero being too scared to kill people just makes the whole thing kinda weak. Like Superman putting Lex Luther in jail and he just keeps escaping. It just gets annoying. And yes FMA and DN have "dark themes". >.> But I guess I shouldn't expect it to be too anime-like since it's a part of Nickelodeon. I did like the remake of DBZ they did though. Always annoys me when people act like killing is a "dark theme" and global war and oppression are "cartoony". If the only qualifications to make a series "darker" is to cross some arbitrary censorship lines, it's not something worth judging a work on. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
One of the most badass characters ever | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
On March 26 2012 09:18 WolfintheSheep wrote: Always annoys me when people act like killing is a "dark theme" and global war and oppression are "cartoony". If the only qualifications to make a series "darker" is to cross some arbitrary censorship lines, it's not something worth judging a work on. No, It's dark when the hero isn't some "perfect person." Where they make questionable decisions and show that they aren't some Jesus like character. The main character in Death Note is mainly a villain, but he believes what he is doing is right. In FMA, the brothers commit the ultimate taboo by trying human transmutation. It's decisions like these that give the characters more depth and make them seem more "human." But anyways, I don't want to derail this thread so let's try to keep to the topic at hand. | ||
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Cush
United States646 Posts
On March 26 2012 09:14 Hyperbola wrote: So far it's terrible. The world doesn't seem nearly as epic, the fight scenes are dull, and the music is sub par. Hopefully it's just my nostalgia goggles though. What???? I feel like the show got better. So much room for alot of sub-plots. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On March 26 2012 09:26 Zerothegreat wrote: No, It's dark when the hero isn't some "perfect person." Where they make questionable decisions and show that they aren't some Jesus like character. The main character in Death Note is mainly a villain, but he believes what he is doing is right. In FMA, the brothers commit the ultimate taboo by trying human transmutation. It's decisions like these that give the characters more depth and make them seem more "human." But anyways, I don't want to derail this thread so let's try to keep to the topic at hand. Completely ignoring the number of "dark" series where the main character is, explicitly, a "pure" character? Narutaru, Liar Game, Madoka, Black Lagoon... What you're describing is the 1990's Anti-Hero fad, where adding cheap flaws is supposed to make something more interesting. Characters are interesting because they're fleshed out and have depth, not because they shot someone. Avatar is wrapped in a PG packaging and humour, but has a mature story with "dark themes". | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On March 26 2012 09:11 darkmetal505 wrote: First, the show's primary language is English. A lot of the humor and puns work so well because of this. When you translate a show by either subbing or dubbing it, you lose some of the subtle understanding that comes with the native language. I'm sure if I understood Japanese, I would enjoy anime even more. Second, I feel the show doesn't follow the arc stereotype like other segmented anime. You quickly learn that the Fire Nation is the bad guy and you can deduce that Aang will have to defeat Ozai toward the end of the show. Though the seasons are separated into the books by bending, they more or less blend together. Avatar also does the development and resolution of plot thing for every episode. This is very Pokemon-esqe. You are usually introduced to some primary conflict at the beginning of the episode and it is solved at the end. The episodes that do have carried plot are the ones that are numbered by part 1,2,3 etc. Sometimes, you'll even have a continuing plot carry over episodes that are not numbered. For instance, from when Appa was stolen to when he was found, it was always on the back of your mind even when the Fire Nation drill was attacking the wall. In most arc type anime, every episode kind of hangs with a cliffhanger, an unsaid "to be continued" throughout that arc. I shouldn't have said not found in anime, but rather, not found in related anime. If you were comparing Avatar to an anime, you'd generally describe it along the lines of a shonen such as FMA, One Piece, and maybe even Naruto a little bit. Then again, something like FMA isn't really arc'ed and One Piece has many continuing plots. In none of them, however, you can call out the ending of the series (in OP and Naruto you still can't). There are also other things like continuous character development even of minor characters and type of episodes I could talk about that differ, but the above points are the major ones which I find refreshingly great. The English as a primary language, and thus you not losing anything via translation, is really the only point you have. Although a good translator will often try to make an english equivalent in translating rather than a literal translation, you still will rarely get the full meaning. You learn very quickly in One Piece that Luffy wants to become the pirate king, and the entire showed is built around the journey of him getting there. Just because anime tends to get segmented into smaller arcs doesn't mean there isn't a larger arc being followed. A few animes follow this idea (particularly shounens), so it's not as though it's exclusive to western cartoons. In fact I'd say it's more common in animes. Pokemon IS an anime, so having 1 episode arcs is anime-like. There are animes that do this. These same animes also have exceptions where the arc carries over a couple of episodes later. They also tend to have over-arcing plots that have little to do with the episode arcs, but some characters that are met or events that happened, are referenced or reappear later in the series. + Show Spoiler [Naruto and One Piece (not really spoil…] + Sure you can call out the endings of Naruto and OP. Naruto will end when Naruto's dream of being hokage, or alternatively being acknowledge by everyone, is accomplished. Since he is currently loved and acknowledged by everyone, it's safe to say that after the current conflict is dealt with, the series will end. Ideally, the last few chapters will time skip into the future, and show him actually being the hokage, just to give that bit of closure. Similarity, OP will end once Luffy reaches One Piece. Alternatively it will end if he dies trying to reach it, but that's pretty unlikely. I wouldn't really compare Avatar to FMA, since FMA has a rather ambiguous goal at the start. Or rather, it has a relatively clear goal, but no clear way to accomplish it. Whereas in Avatar, you know Yang will have to beat the Fire Lord, and by force using his training. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On March 26 2012 09:39 WolfintheSheep wrote: Completely ignoring the number of "dark" series where the main character is, explicitly, a "pure" character? Narutaru, Liar Game, Madoka, Black Lagoon... What you're describing is the 1990's Anti-Hero fad, where adding cheap flaws is supposed to make something more interesting. Characters are interesting because they're fleshed out and have depth, not because they shot someone. Avatar is wrapped in a PG packaging and humour, but has a mature story with "dark themes". Aang had depth......lol. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On March 26 2012 09:44 Tabbris wrote: Aang had depth......lol. Not sure what show you watched...because Aang had plenty of depth. He was a kid that was told to save the world. If you focus on just that element alone, and bothered to pay attention from episode 1 to the final season, there's a marked difference in him actually taking responsibility for who he is, and a big change in his overall attitude. | ||
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