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On March 25 2012 12:36 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 12:21 Cush wrote:On March 25 2012 11:50 Mordiford wrote:On March 25 2012 07:42 Cush wrote:Water, because you can blood bend people  Only during a full moon though. Really? I thought that Katara blood bended the guy who she thought killed her mom without the full moon. I rewatched the episode. They never showed the moon in the episode so we can either assume the creators forgot that you can only bloodbend during a full moon or its implied that it was a full moon. I'm just going to guess its the latter because it was night and if you noticed her waterbending seemed a lot stronger than usual which I guess is also because of her emotions during that moment. Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 12:28 Handicap wrote:On March 25 2012 12:21 Cush wrote:On March 25 2012 11:50 Mordiford wrote:On March 25 2012 07:42 Cush wrote:Water, because you can blood bend people Only during a full moon though. Really? I thought that Katara blood bended the guy who she thought killed her mom without the full moon. nope she was about to kill him with ice shards though if i remember correctly, then aang stopped her He was talking about the person she thought was the one who killed her mom not the actual guy. With the guy who did kill her mother she was about to kill him with ice shards but she just couldn't. Aang wasn't with her only Zuko was and he didn't stop her.
thx for the correction, havent watched in years
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Np I'm so hooked on Avatar right now, I just look for any excuse to rewatch Avatar and improve my knowledge of it.
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what episode was it in that she blood bends the guy?
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Book 3 Chapter 16 - The Southern Raiders and its about 3/4's in.
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+ Show Spoiler +quite enjoyed the second episode however i felt like pro-bending could have been a little more interesting or action packed then it actually was
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On March 25 2012 12:59 Frolossus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +quite enjoyed the second episode however i felt like pro-bending could have been a little more interesting or action packed then it actually was
Yeah, I kinda agree with this. I wish they actually fought hand to hand instead of launching elements at each other.
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I loved the original series, and it had a great ending. I hope this is even better, I've got high hopes for it.
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On March 25 2012 04:55 RogerX wrote:
I wonder why they couldn't let aang create an ongoing tornado, too op(Or did I miss the episode)? Yeah right, say that when people can shoot others with lightning and control blood.
Maybe their special trait is that they get a flying bison.
I don't think so. Appa was just Aang's spirit animal, which I believe all Avatar's have (Roku had a dragon, and Korra has her polar-bear dog).
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On March 25 2012 12:36 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I rewatched the episode. They never showed the moon in the episode so we can either assume the creators forgot that you can only bloodbend during a full moon or its implied that it was a full moon. I'm just going to guess its the latter because it was night and if you noticed her waterbending seemed a lot stronger than usual which I guess is also because of her emotions during that moment.
I don't think it was an oversight. The puppet master learned useful tricks with her bending that she was able to teach Katara, but that doesn't mean she is even close to the same level of ability. She was afterall, just a regular water bender who was captured during the war.
Katara is very powerful and so I think she could be able to bloodbend even without the assistance of a full moon. Water in the body is still water.
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I think the best part about Korra is that it seems to be intended for a bit of an older audience, which means more intense fights. For example, when Korra froze that guys face and smashed his head against the car... that would never happen in A:TLA.
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Episode 2 has me sold. OMG, this is the best thing ever to come out on TV!
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First episodes thoughts and spoilers:
+ Show Spoiler +The only odd part I found in the first episodes was the fact that water bending is described in the first series to be somewhat like air bending. You didn't fling it around, but rather guided it. That would suggest that she might have some trouble with water bending as well. I'll keep my faith that they'll address that later though.
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On March 25 2012 13:50 aksfjh wrote:First episodes thoughts and spoilers: + Show Spoiler +The only odd part I found in the first episodes was the fact that water bending is described in the first series to be somewhat like air bending. You didn't fling it around, but rather guided it. That would suggest that she might have some trouble with water bending as well. I'll keep my faith that they'll address that later though.
What...? I have to disagree here. Water and Air are similar in that they are fluid and maintain some level of flow, but there's a spiritual and mental aspect to controlling the elements on top of the simple physical aspect. Also, Korra was born into the water tribe so I would be pretty surprised if for some reason she struggled with waterbending.
I also don't really remember any point where airbending was described as being similar to water bending.
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On March 25 2012 14:03 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 13:50 aksfjh wrote:First episodes thoughts and spoilers: + Show Spoiler +The only odd part I found in the first episodes was the fact that water bending is described in the first series to be somewhat like air bending. You didn't fling it around, but rather guided it. That would suggest that she might have some trouble with water bending as well. I'll keep my faith that they'll address that later though. What...? I have to disagree here. Water and Air are similar in that they are fluid and maintain some level of flow, but there's a spiritual and mental aspect to controlling the elements on top of the simple physical aspect. Also, Korra was born into the water tribe so I would be pretty surprised if for some reason she struggled with waterbending. I also don't really remember any point where airbending was described as being similar to water bending.
The thing that I immediately thought of along these lines is that in the original, Aang had trouble with Earth-bending because it was the opposite element from air, his natural element. Using that same logic, I would have thought that she would have had the most trouble with Fire-bending, not Air-bending. Just like Aang could quickly pick up Fire and Water bending, I'd have thought that Korra would pick up Air and Earth easily after her natural element, Water. Apparently not, though.
So far, though, I've enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to the next episodes!
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On March 25 2012 14:03 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 13:50 aksfjh wrote:First episodes thoughts and spoilers: + Show Spoiler +The only odd part I found in the first episodes was the fact that water bending is described in the first series to be somewhat like air bending. You didn't fling it around, but rather guided it. That would suggest that she might have some trouble with water bending as well. I'll keep my faith that they'll address that later though. What...? I have to disagree here. Water and Air are similar in that they are fluid and maintain some level of flow, but there's a spiritual and mental aspect to controlling the elements on top of the simple physical aspect. Also, Korra was born into the water tribe so I would be pretty surprised if for some reason she struggled with waterbending. I also don't really remember any point where airbending was described as being similar to water bending.
Well, if we look back at how easily Aang was able to grasp the basics and intricacies of water bending, especially compared to his difficulty with fire and earth, it would show a level of similarity between water and air. I'm not saying she would "struggle" with it, but merely it would be the weakest of the bending she can do. In the same way, Aang didn't "struggle" with fire, but it was much harder for him to ultimately master compared to water and air.
I guess I could argue that they at least nodded my point in the opening. They already alluded that bending isn't strictly pedigree with the 2 brothers than exhibit different bending, so that would suggest that Korra is an extreme example, having a personality much more akin to earth bending, and an opening scene where she exhibited great prowess in fire bending. In fact, it seems like much of the episode had her either earth or fire bending, save for a few novelty water tricks. Even her performance as a water bender in the arena was less that stellar.
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Another thing you guys have to consider is that much of airbending technique was (and most likely remains) lost. Water bending firebending and earth bending have been preserved and refined since the last airbender, there are also a multitude of water fire and earth benders whereas there is only one air master and he approaches air bending in a very rigid way. Furthermore this episode demonstrated that most bending is still evolving, being improved upon, whereas air bending has to have been rebuilt from the ground up pretty up(in the wake of the 4 temples bieng destroyed). Even if you argue that air bending is the most free flow/ natural/intuitive form of bending you have to acknowledge that it could perhaps be a lot more than it is if an entire new generation of masters where working to refine it like the other schools.
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So naturaly it makes sense that kora would have difficulty with air bending because a) Only one teacher B) Lack of refinement and evolution over the past century and a half because of the fire nations actions.
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On March 25 2012 14:54 gumshoe wrote:
Another thing you guys have to consider is that much of airbending technique was (and most likely remains) lost. Water bending firebending and earth bending have been preserved and refined since the last airbender, there are also a multitude of water fire and earth benders whereas there is only one air master and he approaches air bending in a very rigid way. Furthermore this episode demonstrated that most bending is still evolving, being improved upon, whereas air bending has to have been rebuilt from the ground up pretty up(in the wake of the 4 temples bieng destroyed). Even if you argue that air bending is the most free flow/ natural/intuitive form of bending you have to acknowledge that it could perhaps be a lot more than it is if an entire new generation of masters where working to refine it like the other schools.
I digress. Aang was cited as having mastered Air at a very young age, to the point where he was inventing and innovating air bending techniques (iirc, Air scooters are his invention). When Aang became the avatar, he most probably passed it down onto Tenzin, who is now teaching his children and Korra the same. I don't think any airbending has been lost per se. Perhaps the variety, yes, if the four temples had their own styles, but I don't think much was lost in the 100 years between Aang being locked up in the ice and the events of ATLA.
And I refuse to accept probending methods as improvements or evolution. Their style of bending seemed to be only practical in a controlled arena with rules and the elements readily at hand. Not to mentioned very rough and undefined. Did not impress me the same way I was impressed with the Agni Kai sequences or even the whole Rumble arena thing.
EDIT: A good analogy I think will be Pro-bending is to bending as Fencing is to sword fighting. Fencing is derived from sword fighting techniques, but a fencer trains in sword play only appropriate for the sport. In real sword fight, a fencer can probably hold his own by applying techniques learned in fencing, but will most likely die against an armored swordsman who has been training in the art of combat for years. Same thing with bending. Probending is a devolution of bending.
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I think the point they were trying to make was that her personality clash is what gives her difficulty. For Aang, the reason why Earth bending was so difficult for him to master was because he would try to evade and escape everything rather than face it with strength. Air bending had taught him to be flexible and find ways around fighting. Earth bending required him to think in ways that weren't natural to his personality. With Korra, we see much the same as she is stubborn and tries to overcome everything with force. The nature of Air bending doesn't really apply to her so well.
Fire bending came fairly easy to Aang. His biggest challenge was that his free and fun spirit made him careless and afraid to control fire bending. I suppose one could argue that the same should apply to Korra, but I think she has the force elements from all the bending down. Air seems to reply purely upon careful and agile movements - not something Korra appears to really excel in. I can imagine all of her bending abilities will improve dramatically once she's able to master that thought process.
It makes sense to me. I also liked the episode a lot. I really like how Tenzin is developing as a character, though at times I just want to smack Korra for being teenager'ish. She's growing on me though.
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On March 25 2012 15:18 Satire wrote:I think the point they were trying to make was that her personality clash is what gives her difficulty. For Aang, the reason why Earth bending was so difficult for him to master was because he would try to evade and escape everything rather than face it with strength. Air bending had taught him to be flexible and find ways around fighting. Earth bending required him to think in ways that weren't natural to his personality. With Korra, we see much the same as she is stubborn and tries to overcome everything with force. The nature of Air bending doesn't really apply to her so well. Fire bending came fairly easy to Aang. His biggest challenge was that his free and fun spirit made him careless and afraid to control fire bending. I suppose one could argue that the same should apply to Korra, but I think she has the force elements from all the bending down. Air seems to reply purely upon careful and agile movements - not something Korra appears to really excel in. I can imagine all of her bending abilities will improve dramatically once she's able to master that thought process. It makes sense to me. I also liked the episode a lot. I really like how Tenzin is developing as a character, though at times I just want to smack Korra for being teenager'ish. She's growing on me though.
This.
I thought it was really masterful from the writers to use Probending as a way to force Korra to realize the patience and "freeflow" nature of Airbending. Probending in a lot of ways clashes with Korra's personality as well. She grew frustrated with having to fight with restrictions, having spent her life training in situations where she could shoot fireballs the size of houses, and only when she realized she needed to calm down and assess the situation while keeping a level head and flowing with the action, it clicked.
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