On June 17 2012 11:59 TwoToneTerran wrote: Korra isn't even close to throwing herself at him. She even specifically told Mako to stick to and help Asami work through this ordeal. Mako is a dense, bland douchebag who is socially inept to the situation. He's the only bad part of this show to me.
and "I really like you and I think we were meant for each other." Self = Thrown literally and figuratively, whether or not she later tried to smooth things out, she did. It makes a lasting impression. Mako hasn't been given as much character development screen time and a large amount of his issues are internal. But I'll agree to disagree.
Her whole world is shot and when she's not fighting, her relationship with Mako and friendship with Korra and Bolin is all she has in the world -- which is why they specifically showed us her being friendly with Korra in a sincere way. She doesn't hate Korra for Mako being a bonehead and Korra isn't making any attempts to steal him away from her. Mako is messing up the situation, not Asami.
She didn't even know Korra liked him and the kiss happened until recently. You can't be sincere about a situation you have no knowledge of. Now she's smiling to Korra's face but jumping on Mako's back in private. I get that it's all she has left. I'm not unsympathetic to her. However, she is displaying codependent behavior. She isn't making it any better for herself or others.
On June 17 2012 12:39 Acetone wrote: Exactly (this especially). While I'm not completely anti-Mako at this point, as I think his situation with Asami could end be the impetus of some significant character growth, I'm frustrated with his blandness and "Can we deal with our relationship problems later?" attitude. First he denies any interest in Korra and then follows up with that line after being outed. Yeah, shit's hitting the fan right now, but the last few episodes have been much rougher on Asami, and Mako's being an insensitive ass by ignoring that. Do I think Mako's a good guy who will eventually figure things out and do the right thing? Yeah, I do. But as of now, he's not thinking, and I'm getting sick of it.
He was in a no-win situation. If he lies, she shoves it in his face. If he tells the truth she throws a tantum. He didn't know she knew, so he tried to avoid the discord so they can get back to the big picture. He wasn't flippant about Asami's plight. However, Korra's situation is forcing him to react, subconsciously or not.
What would happen if he sat down to think about it? We all see this series is headed down Makorra road. If he knows that already, which I think he does at least subconsciously, it's a no-win situation again. If he ditches her, then he's a jackass prick for going after what he wants and Asami is absolutely crushed in a dangerous world by herself with no support. If he waits till later, then he's a jackass prick for going after what he wants and Asami is absolutely crushed in a world by herself with no support. He likes to protect people he cares about. There is no way to protect Asami. I'm sure he's sick of that situation too, but he doesn't know how to solve it so he pushes it away.
I'm not saying Asami is a horrible hag that I feel no empathy for, nor do I believe Mako's a shining example for people everywhere. They are both having issues that prod at the crux of their present being. They are reacting, both positively and negatively concurrently.
On June 17 2012 08:50 TwoToneTerran wrote: I feel like getting the same voice actor is fine, I mean father's often sound like their sons and so forth. I just think he shouldn't have sounded exactly like Zuko. Gruff the voice up a bit.
exactly. His they should have changed some aspect of the voice. Though i have no problem with them having similar voices.
One thing to keep in mind tho, most of the voices done in Avatar are just the actual voices of real people. They are simply lending their voices to the character. Not all of them are like Azula's voice actor (Last name Grey or something...I should know this) who has absolutely amazing voice control (She also voiced Katara/Sokke's Mother, for instance)
Point being, maybe Zukko's voice actor isn't really capable of convincing other kinds of voices.
Actually, there are times when people do sound exactly like there fathers.
Mako is such a boring character and a terrible love interest. I really hope Korra doesn't end up with him. I hope Korra ends up with someone whose a little crazy, like her.
I am confused how Amon was able to construct a military level air fleet without anyone noticing. At the same time, I very happy with how quickly this show has progressed past the "terrorist, they aren't really dangerous, just annoying" phase into the full blown war phase.
Also, I wish Korra would do more multiple element bending attacks, rather than just switching from one to another.
those kids are badass. this episode was pretty good, the story seems to have developed into something similar to TLA now . Looking forwards to more episodes
Asami and Iroh I also think Mako should just stop stringing Asami along. She still has Avatar gang as friends, she's not alone.
Pretty excited about the hour long premiere next week. I wonder how Korra will learn her airbending now, if she's going to get her bending taken away and Tenzin is currently away.
On June 17 2012 11:59 TwoToneTerran wrote: Korra isn't even close to throwing herself at him. She even specifically told Mako to stick to and help Asami work through this ordeal. Mako is a dense, bland douchebag who is socially inept to the situation. He's the only bad part of this show to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdhIFuITDr0 and "I really like you and I think we were meant for each other." Self = Thrown literally and figuratively, whether or not she later tried to smooth things out, she did. It makes a lasting impression. Mako hasn't been given as much character development screen time and a large amount of his issues are internal. But I'll agree to disagree.
Are you kidding me? This was before the ordeal with Asami's dad happened. Korra explicitly stated and realized now was not the time for her to be playing "get the boy," and told Mako to focus on Asami. It was one of the few times this series where Korra has taken in the entire situation and has made the conscientious choice instead of just doing what she wants. Korra has had nothing to do with Mako's wiles ever since then. You're really digging hard for context.
She didn't even know Korra liked him and the kiss happened until recently. You can't be sincere about a situation you have no knowledge of. Now she's smiling to Korra's face but jumping on Mako's back in private. I get that it's all she has left. I'm not unsympathetic to her. However, she is displaying codependent behavior. She isn't making it any better for herself or others.
Wait, did you just not watch this last episode? She's "smiling to Korra's face" ? She's got no beef with Korra. It's not a facade. She's pissed at Mako for fawning over another girl, and then giving her the runabout when confronted about it.
He was in a no-win situation. If he lies, she shoves it in his face. If he tells the truth she throws a tantum. He didn't know she knew, so he tried to avoid the discord so they can get back to the big picture. He wasn't flippant about Asami's plight. However, Korra's situation is forcing him to react, subconsciously or not.
Korra's situation did not force him to longingly stroke her unconscious face. Also lol, Asami's only two options are she throws a tantrum and...she throws a tantrum. No, she's actually got a ton of options. She can cut it off with Mako if he tells her he loves Korra and be the bigger person for it. Or tons of other things. Her only options are not "Throw a tantrum." She's a pretty strong woman.
I'm not saying Asami is a horrible hag that I feel no empathy for, nor do I believe Mako's a shining example for people everywhere. They are both having issues that prod at the crux of their present being. They are reacting, both positively and negatively concurrently.
The problem with Mako is not that his situation is unsympathetic, it's that he's basically lying to his amazing girlfriend while simultaneously being a bland character with practically no depth. He is the reason the love triangle is the most obnoxious part of the show -- because his character is obnoxious in any sort of conflict. He's bland, so he gave a bland answer to Asami.
On June 17 2012 14:28 Smat wrote: Mako is such a boring character and a terrible love interest. I really hope Korra doesn't end up with him. I hope Korra ends up with someone whose a little crazy, like her.
I am confused how Amon was able to construct a military level air fleet without anyone noticing. At the same time, I very happy with how quickly this show has progressed past the "terrorist, they aren't really dangerous, just annoying" phase into the full blown war phase.
Also, I wish Korra would do more multiple element bending attacks, rather than just switching from one to another.
Hiroshi Sato is like if you mixed Ford and Edison into one man. Absurdly rich and then uses SCIENCE to become even more rich after being a super car tycoon. The dude probably had more money than most of Republic city, and the factory and construction resources to facilitate it beyond just having cash. And who knows how much more funding the equalists have in their members besides Sato.
The only thing that confuses me still is with Saikhan. They never really explained why he followed along with Tarrlok's orders and even tried to avoid Korra and Tenzin.
On June 17 2012 14:36 TwoToneTerran wrote: Are you kidding me? This was before the ordeal with Asami's dad happened. Korra explicitly stated and realized now was not the time for her to be playing "get the boy," and told Mako to focus on Asami. It was one of the few times this series where Korra has taken in the entire situation and has made the conscientious choice instead of just doing what she wants. Korra has had nothing to do with Mako's wiles ever since then. You're really digging hard for context
Wait, did you just not watch this last episode? She's "smiling to Korra's face" ? She's got no beef with Korra. It's not a facade. She's pissed at Mako for fawning over another girl, and then giving her the runabout when confronted about it.
When did I say it related to the current state of things? It doesn't stop him from feeling whatever it is he feels. Or now do you want him to be a dense unthinking lightning shooting machine. I thought that was the issue people had with him.
Korra's situation did not force him to longingly stroke her unconscious face. Also lol, Asami's only two options are she throws a tantrum and...she throws a tantrum. No, she's actually got a ton of options. She can cut it off with Mako if he tells her he loves Korra and be the bigger person for it. Or tons of other things. Her only options are not "Throw a tantrum." She's a pretty strong woman.
I couldn't disagree more. Asami is clearly more invested in the relationship at this point, whether he wants to leave or not, yet she is threatening to cut it off. It's a bluff. She doesn't want it to end and she saying what she is saying to scare Mako into having an epiphany to stay.
The problem with Mako is not that his situation is unsympathetic, it's that he's basically lying to his amazing girlfriend while simultaneously being a bland character with practically no depth. He is the reason the love triangle is the most obnoxious part of the show -- because his character is obnoxious in any sort of conflict. He's bland, so he gave a bland answer to Asami.
Again, he's an internal conflict. The show isn't paced slow enough for him to spend 2 minute on an internal monologue every other show. That's why there was the whole scene with Mako and Bolin a while back talking about Korra. I think that it's obnoxious because there's a literal war going on and people are fighting over who feels what or kissed who. Was Mako bland when Bolin got taken?
On June 17 2012 11:59 TwoToneTerran wrote: Korra isn't even close to throwing herself at him. She even specifically told Mako to stick to and help Asami work through this ordeal. Mako is a dense, bland douchebag who is socially inept to the situation. He's the only bad part of this show to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdhIFuITDr0 and "I really like you and I think we were meant for each other." Self = Thrown literally and figuratively, whether or not she later tried to smooth things out, she did. It makes a lasting impression. Mako hasn't been given as much character development screen time and a large amount of his issues are internal. But I'll agree to disagree.
Are you kidding me? This was before the ordeal with Asami's dad happened. Korra explicitly stated and realized now was not the time for her to be playing "get the boy," and told Mako to focus on Asami. It was one of the few times this series where Korra has taken in the entire situation and has made the conscientious choice instead of just doing what she wants. Korra has had nothing to do with Mako's wiles ever since then. You're really digging hard for context.
She didn't even know Korra liked him and the kiss happened until recently. You can't be sincere about a situation you have no knowledge of. Now she's smiling to Korra's face but jumping on Mako's back in private. I get that it's all she has left. I'm not unsympathetic to her. However, she is displaying codependent behavior. She isn't making it any better for herself or others.
Wait, did you just not watch this last episode? She's "smiling to Korra's face" ? She's got no beef with Korra. It's not a facade. She's pissed at Mako for fawning over another girl, and then giving her the runabout when confronted about it.
He was in a no-win situation. If he lies, she shoves it in his face. If he tells the truth she throws a tantum. He didn't know she knew, so he tried to avoid the discord so they can get back to the big picture. He wasn't flippant about Asami's plight. However, Korra's situation is forcing him to react, subconsciously or not.
Korra's situation did not force him to longingly stroke her unconscious face. Also lol, Asami's only two options are she throws a tantrum and...she throws a tantrum. No, she's actually got a ton of options. She can cut it off with Mako if he tells her he loves Korra and be the bigger person for it. Or tons of other things. Her only options are not "Throw a tantrum." She's a pretty strong woman.
I'm not saying Asami is a horrible hag that I feel no empathy for, nor do I believe Mako's a shining example for people everywhere. They are both having issues that prod at the crux of their present being. They are reacting, both positively and negatively concurrently.
The problem with Mako is not that his situation is unsympathetic, it's that he's basically lying to his amazing girlfriend while simultaneously being a bland character with practically no depth. He is the reason the love triangle is the most obnoxious part of the show -- because his character is obnoxious in any sort of conflict. He's bland, so he gave a bland answer to Asami.
On June 17 2012 14:28 Smat wrote: Mako is such a boring character and a terrible love interest. I really hope Korra doesn't end up with him. I hope Korra ends up with someone whose a little crazy, like her.
I am confused how Amon was able to construct a military level air fleet without anyone noticing. At the same time, I very happy with how quickly this show has progressed past the "terrorist, they aren't really dangerous, just annoying" phase into the full blown war phase.
Also, I wish Korra would do more multiple element bending attacks, rather than just switching from one to another.
Hiroshi Sato is like if you mixed Ford and Edison into one man. Absurdly rich and then uses SCIENCE to become even more rich after being a super car tycoon. The dude probably had more money than most of Republic city, and the factory and construction resources to facilitate it beyond just having cash. And who knows how much more funding the equalists have in their members besides Sato.
TwoToneTerran beat me to pretty much everything I was going to say, but since I love hearing the sound of myself typing and reading my own posts and thinking about how right they are, I'll say a few things anyway.
All developments of Mako/Korra since Asami's dad was outed have come from Mako (e.g. Mako opening her car door and Mako fawning over her after her escape from Tarrlok and Amon). Well, I suppose her "I'm glad you're here" comment after Mako lifted her off Naga was a bit forward, but easily forgiven in my opinion, given the strenuous ordeal from which she'd just escaped.
I have yet to notice Asami being antagonistic towards Korra, and I don't know why you think her behavior is codependent. Yeah, she's upset at the idea of losing Mako, but it's not like she's been only paying attention to him and talking about what'll happen if he breaks up with her. If she were codependent, I don't think she'd be saying stuff like "Well, there might not be a relationship to worry about later". She's being frank with Mako while he's trying to push things aside, and she's been interacting nicely with Korra, Bolin, Pema, basically everyone except Mako.
The idea that Asami would "throw a tantrum" is probably the one I take the most issue with. I've said it before, but she's proven herself to be a level-headed person, so while I'd expect her to be upset about Mako leaving her, I would not expect her to pull a 5 year old and "throw a tantrum" (or join the Equalists). Mako's avoidance of his feelings for Korra and refusal to deal with the situation (especially after Asami confronts him) is, as far as I'm concerned, the only the issue here. In situations like this, there is no outcome in which everybody wins, but procrastination will only make everything worse.
Also, before things get out of hand, as they seem to be threatening to do so, I feel like I should express that I'm not angry or annoyed with you or your argument, Gahlo. I simply disagree and am arguing my point.
He was pretty bland, actually. Especially at the secret rally.
On June 17 2012 15:11 Crazyeyes wrote: Apparenly shipping is serious business. O.o
This has nothing to do with shipping and everything to do with character depth. I'm not forcing any pairings together, I'm putting criticism over the characters actions.
On June 17 2012 15:42 Acetone wrote: Also, before things get out of hand, as they seem to be threatening to do so, I feel like I should express that I'm not angry or annoyed with you or your argument, Gahlo. I simply disagree and am arguing my point.
Believe me when I say this, because I honestly mean it, it isn't headed there from my end. I love debating. I love playing devils advocate. I love fake debating about a stance I have no care for/disagree with till the person I'm debating either realises that I'm bsing them or I break out in laughter over how long it took.
On June 17 2012 11:52 fenrysk wrote: RUFI--OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO + Show Spoiler +
sucks that lin lost her bending, what will be the future of metal benders? also wtf Meelo and his epic fart-bending i couldn't stop laughing. Dante Basco voicing general Iroh the younger is nerd chill inducing indeed.
also i think it's worth mentioning that part of the reason the children were able to beat off the equalists while Lin was not is that the equalists are only trained to deal with non-air benders. the airbender children would naturally have an advantage in that sense, where the enemy isn't prepared to deal with this kind of bending, one that is harder to dodge and makes your target harder to hit. if you think back to Aangs time, how many benders did he beat with just airbending? and back then he was biologically only 12-- so i think it's within the realm of possibility.
Don't forget that every air tribe member can bend due to their very spiritual upbringing(Who knows why Bumi can't bend, but most likely due to the upbringing the three of them got, or probably what happens when you get freaky with an avatar since kya is a water bender.). You saw earlier that the kids could easily do the post training (something that is very hard, I know from experience) So they are completely immersed in the art. And since air bending is Ba Gua, an internal style like tai chi (water bending) that the barrier to be proficient isn't necessarily lock behind not being physically strong. So yes, they are kids but they have had the best training, both physically, mentally and spiritually since they had been born.
On June 17 2012 08:50 TwoToneTerran wrote: I feel like getting the same voice actor is fine, I mean father's often sound like their sons and so forth. I just think he shouldn't have sounded exactly like Zuko. Gruff the voice up a bit.
exactly. His they should have changed some aspect of the voice. Though i have no problem with them having similar voices.
One thing to keep in mind tho, most of the voices done in Avatar are just the actual voices of real people. They are simply lending their voices to the character. Not all of them are like Azula's voice actor (Last name Grey or something...I should know this) who has absolutely amazing voice control (She also voiced Katara/Sokke's Mother, for instance)
Point being, maybe Zukko's voice actor isn't really capable of convincing other kinds of voices.
Actually, there are times when people do sound exactly like there fathers.
Like me.
Yeah, I've been told that I sound exactly like my dad on the phone. Which is scary considering there's a ~32 year age gap between us.
You saw earlier that the kids could easily do the post training (something that is very hard, I know from experience) So they are completely immersed in the art.
Sorry if I am missing something but what is that post-training you're mentioning ? I don't assume you're an airbender.
Yeah, I've been told that I sound exactly like my dad on the phone. Which is scary considering there's a ~32 year age gap between us.
You saw earlier that the kids could easily do the post training (something that is very hard, I know from experience) So they are completely immersed in the art.
Sorry if I am missing something but what is that post-training you're mentioning ? I don't assume you're an airbender.
You saw earlier that the kids could easily do the post training (something that is very hard, I know from experience) So they are completely immersed in the art.
Sorry if I am missing something but what is that post-training you're mentioning ? I don't assume you're an airbender.
Yeah, I've been told that I sound exactly like my dad on the phone. Which is scary considering there's a ~32 year age gap between us.
Heavy smoker ?
I'm 16, and have never smoked tobacco in my life.
I agree with Mako being a bland character. With his irresponsibility, Asami might very well betray the gang when it matters the most... I hope not because she could be an interesting character.
I'm pretty excited for the finale- I love that we finally know that the world of Avatar isn't limited to republic city! Gogo Iroh.
Also Amon is Mako and Bolin's long lost brother xD
Do any of you feel that the action sequences are flowing really slowly? I feel like the creators are just trying to fill time with slow paced action. (mainly referring to the beginning)
EPT
. Looking forwards to more episodes 
