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On June 17 2012 11:52 fenrysk wrote:RUFI--OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO + Show Spoiler +sucks that lin lost her bending, what will be the future of metal benders? also wtf Meelo and his epic fart-bending i couldn't stop laughing. Dante Basco voicing general Iroh the younger is nerd chill inducing indeed.
also i think it's worth mentioning that part of the reason the children were able to beat off the equalists while Lin was not is that the equalists are only trained to deal with non-air benders. the airbender children would naturally have an advantage in that sense, where the enemy isn't prepared to deal with this kind of bending, one that is harder to dodge and makes your target harder to hit. if you think back to Aangs time, how many benders did he beat with just airbending? and back then he was biologically only 12-- so i think it's within the realm of possibility.
On the topic of the equalists losing to children maybe the equalists were growing too fast and didn't have the facilities or time to train everyone properly. It makes sense seeing how the organization became powerful quite suddenly.
I was pretty disappointed when Lin got captured. I hoped she would use the earth sensing thing in battle like Toph. If she did she never would have got surprised like that. Lin seems to just disregard one of her greatest assets.
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On June 17 2012 08:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I feel like getting the same voice actor is fine, I mean father's often sound like their sons and so forth. I just think he shouldn't have sounded exactly like Zuko. Gruff the voice up a bit.
exactly. His they should have changed some aspect of the voice. Though i have no problem with them having similar voices.
One thing to keep in mind tho, most of the voices done in Avatar are just the actual voices of real people. They are simply lending their voices to the character. Not all of them are like Azula's voice actor (Last name Grey or something...I should know this) who has absolutely amazing voice control (She also voiced Katara/Sokke's Mother, for instance)
Point being, maybe Zukko's voice actor isn't really capable of convincing other kinds of voices.
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On June 17 2012 11:27 Archers_bane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 11:19 Crazyeyes wrote:On June 17 2012 11:11 Archers_bane wrote:
I can't help but feel that the season is too rushed! The dialogue is so one-dimensional and straight forward. No feelings. Like when Tenzin was getting put into the Equalist truck, after Asami just knocks everyone down, he's like "Thanks, I'm fine now." Then just straight up goes and starts fighting again like he couldn't do it seconds ago.
Also the characters acting too dumb and too much fan service. Like Lin against Metal Airships, she's supposed to be a badass and not get caught. Or Tenzin...can't he create a fucking gust of wind and just do something while someone flies the bison? A lack of common sense of the characters throughout the season is starting to irritate me. The fuck? What do you wan thtem to do? Have this big emotional moment about how he almost got captured in the middle of a battle? He was stunned, recovered, and got back to it like he should have. Although I completely 100% agree with you on the BIson thing. Anyone can fucking fly one. In fact you probably dont even have to hold the reigns and it'll just go straight. Tenzin could have and should have done SOMETHING. :/ Sorry but Tenzin's one-liner and going back into the fight was just too casual for me :\ I know I'll get some flack for this one but how about that scene with Lin and Tenzin's kids? Those equalists must have been not trained at all. Some equalists could take down Lin/Korra/Tenzin, yet these kids who are obviously not as powerful as the ones I previously mentioned managed to just pummel through a huge ass group of them. Fart bending was funny, but the huge gap between the intense seriousness of the situation and then a sudden comedic input of epic trolls made me shudder.
Well, to be fair, I don't think the equalists were trained against Airbenders, since there are only four of them in the world. They have some element of surprise there. But I agree, it shouldn't have been that easy for the kids to take them down.
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When I was an orphaned child growing up on the streets of a big developing city, I obviously knew all I needed about women and relationships and worried about that rather than the real problems at hand.
Yep, definitely. If only I had matured quickly in order to deal with such problems.
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On June 17 2012 11:35 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 10:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Zuko's son. There is no doubt in my mind lol Yeah, pretty much. Name kid after most important figure in his life? Of course.
While at first glance i thought that it must have been his grandson, i really believe now that it is indeed his son. Assuming new Iroh is in his early 30's, Zukko and Mai would have had to had a kid really soon following TLA. Further more, Zukkos son would have had to have a kid fairly early as well.
Also the name Iroh, i really don't know why Zukko's son would name his son Iroh. Its more poetic if its Zukko's son who is the new Iroh.
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On June 17 2012 12:25 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 11:35 synapse wrote:On June 17 2012 10:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Zuko's son. There is no doubt in my mind lol Yeah, pretty much. Name kid after most important figure in his life? Of course. While at first glance i thought that it must have been his grandson, i really believe now that it is indeed his son. Assuming new Iroh is in his early 30's, Zukko and Mai would have had to had a kid really soon following TLA. Further more, Zukkos son would have had to have a kid fairly early as well. Also the name Iroh, i really don't know why Zukko's son would name his son Iroh. Its more poetic if its Zukko's son who is the new Iroh.
If Iroh is Zuko's son Zuko would have been nearing 50 when he had kids which seems a bit too late. I think it makes more sense for him and his son to have kids in their early 20s. Iroh might only be in his 20s anyways since his voice sounds exactly like Zuko's and Zuko was still a teenager in TLA.
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On June 17 2012 12:30 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 12:25 Cyanocyst wrote:On June 17 2012 11:35 synapse wrote:On June 17 2012 10:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Zuko's son. There is no doubt in my mind lol Yeah, pretty much. Name kid after most important figure in his life? Of course. While at first glance i thought that it must have been his grandson, i really believe now that it is indeed his son. Assuming new Iroh is in his early 30's, Zukko and Mai would have had to had a kid really soon following TLA. Further more, Zukkos son would have had to have a kid fairly early as well. Also the name Iroh, i really don't know why Zukko's son would name his son Iroh. Its more poetic if its Zukko's son who is the new Iroh. If Iroh is Zuko's son Zuko would have been nearing 50 when he had kids which seems a bit too late. I think it makes more sense for him and his son to have kids in their early 20s. Iroh might only be in his 20s anyways since his voice sounds exactly like Zuko's and Zuko was still a teenager in TLA.
It also doesn't make sense for Yakone to be Tarlock's dad (Yakone is too old). One theory guessed Tarlock was Yakone's grandson or nephew. Just take it for what it is.
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On June 17 2012 11:57 Funguuuuu wrote:
The one part of the episode that I didn't like was the battle between the air-kids and the equalists. It did seem plausible that the children would win (due to the element of surprise, them being very good airbenders, and the most important fact of them being children, which would be sure to mess with anyone's motivation to fight) but I disliked the fight in general due to the stupid one-liners and my general hate of Meelo.
Yeah, I have no problem with the kids winning, but it should have been a real fight, not comic slapstick, farting, and one-liners. I know this is a cartoon and its on nickelodeon, but do we really need fart and poop jokes every other episode?
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On June 17 2012 11:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 11:49 Gahlo wrote:On June 17 2012 10:53 Acetone wrote:On June 17 2012 06:49 yrba1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hopefully Asami doesn't let her jealousy dictate her to join the Equalists I'll be very disappointed if this happens, not with Asami herself, but whichever writer were to decide it's in her character to do so. She's proven herself to be very rational (especially considering what's happened to her) and has shown great conviction in fighting against the Equalists. I can easily see her parting ways with Team Avatar because of Mako's recent douchery, but nothing even remotely close to joining up with the Equalists. I completely agree with Mordiford about the drama surrounding Asami/Mako/Korra. It is, at this point, entirely Mako's fault. I was fine with Mako/Korra in the beginning, but Mako hasn't done much recently to affirm Korra's interest in him. His overprotectiveness at the end of episode 9 was a step in the right direction, but I'm afraid I've begun to agree with Mako's critics to a certain extent. There's still just not a lot to his character. As of now, my opinion is that Korra deserves better, but I'm hopeful that Mako will eventually man the f*** up and deal with his situation. Morale is important, kid. Mako is constantly concerned about the present. He didn't want to get with Korra because of the tournament. Given the choice that probably would have resolved itself afterwards if Asami wasn't written. But she was and an 18 year old guy is put in a position where two women are throwing themselves at him and he doesn't know what he wants. He did recognize, that on principal, he is with Asami and tried to leave it at that. However, the situation is constantly being forced in his face. He doesn't want to deal with it now. There are more important things to take care of. Korra's capture is plot mechanic to force his hand. He is forced to develop in ways people expected him to earlier while they ignore the establishment of his character. While I feel for Asami, she is complicating the big picture around them because she became overly attached. Mako wants to have a clear head so he can figure things out. In the middle of a war isn't exactly the best time to soul search. Korra isn't even close to throwing herself at him. She even specifically told Mako to stick to and help Asami work through this ordeal. Mako is a dense, bland douchebag who is socially inept to the situation. He's the only bad part of this show to me. Her whole world is shot and when she's not fighting, her relationship with Mako and friendship with Korra and Bolin is all she has in the world -- which is why they specifically showed us her being friendly with Korra in a sincere way. She doesn't hate Korra for Mako being a bonehead and Korra isn't making any attempts to steal him away from her. Mako is messing up the situation, not Asami.
Exactly (this especially). While I'm not completely anti-Mako at this point, as I think his situation with Asami could end be the impetus of some significant character growth, I'm frustrated with his blandness and "Can we deal with our relationship problems later?" attitude. First he denies any interest in Korra and then follows up with that line after being outed. Yeah, shit's hitting the fan right now, but the last few episodes have been much rougher on Asami, and Mako's being an insensitive ass by ignoring that. Do I think Mako's a good guy who will eventually figure things out and do the right thing? Yeah, I do. But as of now, he's not thinking, and I'm getting sick of it.
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On June 17 2012 12:33 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 12:30 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 17 2012 12:25 Cyanocyst wrote:On June 17 2012 11:35 synapse wrote:On June 17 2012 10:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Zuko's son. There is no doubt in my mind lol Yeah, pretty much. Name kid after most important figure in his life? Of course. While at first glance i thought that it must have been his grandson, i really believe now that it is indeed his son. Assuming new Iroh is in his early 30's, Zukko and Mai would have had to had a kid really soon following TLA. Further more, Zukkos son would have had to have a kid fairly early as well. Also the name Iroh, i really don't know why Zukko's son would name his son Iroh. Its more poetic if its Zukko's son who is the new Iroh. If Iroh is Zuko's son Zuko would have been nearing 50 when he had kids which seems a bit too late. I think it makes more sense for him and his son to have kids in their early 20s. Iroh might only be in his 20s anyways since his voice sounds exactly like Zuko's and Zuko was still a teenager in TLA. It also doesn't make sense for Yakone to be Tarlock's dad (Yakone is too old). One theory guessed Tarlock was Yakone's grandson or nephew. Just take it for what it is.
Wow, I never noticed how messed up Tarlok's age was before. They really didn't think that through lol. I think they'll probably take more care over the age of someone who'll probably be a pretty major character though.
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Tarrlok is 37, born 133 ASC - aang was 45 years old at this time (he was 40 during the trial, tarrlock was born 5 years after the trial)
Tenzin is 51 years old now, born 119 ASC. (he would have been age 9 during the trial)
Since Tarrlok was born 5 years after the trial, this means the trial took place 128 ASC. Aang died when he was 66 (in 154 ASC), so tarrlok would have been 21 years old when aang passed away. Tenzin at the time of aang's death would have been 35 years of age. This also means that aang would have had tenzin when he was 31.
Also, General Iroh must be Zuko's grandson. Zuko's daughter is said to have been given title of fire lord, and since the new iroh looks like he's in his 20's, maybe early 30's at most, he would need to be the grandson of zuko. Firstborn sons normally become the firelord, not daughters. Daughters are only chosen if there is no other heir. Also, for the new iroh to be zuko's son, that would mean he'd need to have had a child when he was in his 50's. I doubt that's the case. Probably zuko had his daughter in his 20's-30's then his daughter had Iroh when she was in her 20's-30's. Probably chose Iroh because of the namesake of how badass iroh is 
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On June 17 2012 12:15 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 08:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I feel like getting the same voice actor is fine, I mean father's often sound like their sons and so forth. I just think he shouldn't have sounded exactly like Zuko. Gruff the voice up a bit. exactly. His they should have changed some aspect of the voice. Though i have no problem with them having similar voices. One thing to keep in mind tho, most of the voices done in Avatar are just the actual voices of real people. They are simply lending their voices to the character. Not all of them are like Azula's voice actor (Last name Grey or something...I should know this) who has absolutely amazing voice control (She also voiced Katara/Sokke's Mother, for instance) Point being, maybe Zukko's voice actor isn't really capable of convincing other kinds of voices.
Azula's voice actor is Grey Delisle. She's pretty good but I've seen her use her Azula voice (which is just her normal voice but smug as heck) in Diablo III, too.
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On June 17 2012 12:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
Tarrlok is 37, born 133 ASC - aang was 45 years old at this time (he was 40 during the trial, tarrlock was born 5 years after the trial)
Tenzin is 51 years old now, born 119 ASC. (he would have been age 9 during the trial)
Since Tarrlok was born 5 years after the trial, this means the trial took place 128 ASC. Aang died when he was 66 (in 154 ASC), so tarrlok would have been 21 years old when aang passed away. Tenzin at the time of aang's death would have been 35 years of age. This also means that aang would have had tenzin when he was 31.
Oh. I didn't know they had exact dates of birth. I'm not sure if it makes sense for Tarrlok* to have been born 5 years after the trial. It would mean Yakonne had to have been released/escaped within 4 years.
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On June 17 2012 12:51 BlackPaladin wrote:Tarrlok is 37, born 133 ASC - aang was 45 years old at this time (he was 40 during the trial, tarrlock was born 5 years after the trial) Tenzin is 51 years old now, born 119 ASC. (he would have been age 9 during the trial) Since Tarrlok was born 5 years after the trial, this means the trial took place 128 ASC. Aang died when he was 66 (in 154 ASC), so tarrlok would have been 21 years old when aang passed away. Tenzin at the time of aang's death would have been 35 years of age. This also means that aang would have had tenzin when he was 31. Also, General Iroh must be Zuko's grandson. Zuko's daughter is said to have been given title of fire lord, and since the new iroh looks like he's in his 20's, maybe early 30's at most, he would need to be the grandson of zuko. Firstborn sons normally become the firelord, not daughters. Daughters are only chosen if there is no other heir. Also, for the new iroh to be zuko's son, that would mean he'd need to have had a child when he was in his 50's. I doubt that's the case. Probably zuko had his daughter in his 20's-30's then his daughter had Iroh when she was in her 20's-30's. Probably chose Iroh because of the namesake of how badass iroh is
Thanks for the time clarification. They made Yakone look too old though if he had Tarlok 5 years after the trial.
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On June 17 2012 12:39 Acetone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 11:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 17 2012 11:49 Gahlo wrote:On June 17 2012 10:53 Acetone wrote:On June 17 2012 06:49 yrba1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hopefully Asami doesn't let her jealousy dictate her to join the Equalists I'll be very disappointed if this happens, not with Asami herself, but whichever writer were to decide it's in her character to do so. She's proven herself to be very rational (especially considering what's happened to her) and has shown great conviction in fighting against the Equalists. I can easily see her parting ways with Team Avatar because of Mako's recent douchery, but nothing even remotely close to joining up with the Equalists. I completely agree with Mordiford about the drama surrounding Asami/Mako/Korra. It is, at this point, entirely Mako's fault. I was fine with Mako/Korra in the beginning, but Mako hasn't done much recently to affirm Korra's interest in him. His overprotectiveness at the end of episode 9 was a step in the right direction, but I'm afraid I've begun to agree with Mako's critics to a certain extent. There's still just not a lot to his character. As of now, my opinion is that Korra deserves better, but I'm hopeful that Mako will eventually man the f*** up and deal with his situation. Morale is important, kid. Mako is constantly concerned about the present. He didn't want to get with Korra because of the tournament. Given the choice that probably would have resolved itself afterwards if Asami wasn't written. But she was and an 18 year old guy is put in a position where two women are throwing themselves at him and he doesn't know what he wants. He did recognize, that on principal, he is with Asami and tried to leave it at that. However, the situation is constantly being forced in his face. He doesn't want to deal with it now. There are more important things to take care of. Korra's capture is plot mechanic to force his hand. He is forced to develop in ways people expected him to earlier while they ignore the establishment of his character. While I feel for Asami, she is complicating the big picture around them because she became overly attached. Mako wants to have a clear head so he can figure things out. In the middle of a war isn't exactly the best time to soul search. Korra isn't even close to throwing herself at him. She even specifically told Mako to stick to and help Asami work through this ordeal. Mako is a dense, bland douchebag who is socially inept to the situation. He's the only bad part of this show to me. Her whole world is shot and when she's not fighting, her relationship with Mako and friendship with Korra and Bolin is all she has in the world -- which is why they specifically showed us her being friendly with Korra in a sincere way. She doesn't hate Korra for Mako being a bonehead and Korra isn't making any attempts to steal him away from her. Mako is messing up the situation, not Asami. Exactly ( this especially). While I'm not completely anti-Mako at this point, as I think his situation with Asami could end be the impetus of some significant character growth, I'm frustrated with his blandness and "Can we deal with our relationship problems later?" attitude. First he denies any interest in Korra and then follows up with that line after being outed. Yeah, shit's hitting the fan right now, but the last few episodes have been much rougher on Asami, and Mako's being an insensitive ass by ignoring that. Do I think Mako's a good guy who will eventually figure things out and do the right thing? Yeah, I do. But as of now, he's not thinking, and I'm getting sick of it.
What was Mako outed for again? Korra kissed him, not the other way around.
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On June 17 2012 12:30 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 12:25 Cyanocyst wrote:On June 17 2012 11:35 synapse wrote:On June 17 2012 10:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Zuko's son. There is no doubt in my mind lol Yeah, pretty much. Name kid after most important figure in his life? Of course. While at first glance i thought that it must have been his grandson, i really believe now that it is indeed his son. Assuming new Iroh is in his early 30's, Zukko and Mai would have had to had a kid really soon following TLA. Further more, Zukkos son would have had to have a kid fairly early as well. Also the name Iroh, i really don't know why Zukko's son would name his son Iroh. Its more poetic if its Zukko's son who is the new Iroh. If Iroh is Zuko's son Zuko would have been nearing 50 when he had kids which seems a bit too late. I think it makes more sense for him and his son to have kids in their early 20s. Iroh might only be in his 20s anyways since his voice sounds exactly like Zuko's and Zuko was still a teenager in TLA.
Well i guess thats where we disagree then. I feel Zukko having a kid fairly late, is more plausible than, both Zukko and his offspring having kids at warp speed.
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Anyone find it weird how everyone in this show has childish voices? Did you see the nurse with white hair and wrinkles talk like a 10 year old girl? lolol
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On June 17 2012 11:36 Crazyeyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 11:27 Archers_bane wrote:On June 17 2012 11:19 Crazyeyes wrote:On June 17 2012 11:11 Archers_bane wrote:
I can't help but feel that the season is too rushed! The dialogue is so one-dimensional and straight forward. No feelings. Like when Tenzin was getting put into the Equalist truck, after Asami just knocks everyone down, he's like "Thanks, I'm fine now." Then just straight up goes and starts fighting again like he couldn't do it seconds ago.
Also the characters acting too dumb and too much fan service. Like Lin against Metal Airships, she's supposed to be a badass and not get caught. Or Tenzin...can't he create a fucking gust of wind and just do something while someone flies the bison? A lack of common sense of the characters throughout the season is starting to irritate me. The fuck? What do you wan thtem to do? Have this big emotional moment about how he almost got captured in the middle of a battle? He was stunned, recovered, and got back to it like he should have. Although I completely 100% agree with you on the BIson thing. Anyone can fucking fly one. In fact you probably dont even have to hold the reigns and it'll just go straight. Tenzin could have and should have done SOMETHING. :/ Sorry but Tenzin's one-liner and going back into the fight was just too casual for me :\ I know I'll get some flack for this one but how about that scene with Lin and Tenzin's kids? Those equalists must have been not trained at all. Some equalists could take down Lin/Korra/Tenzin, yet these kids who are obviously not as powerful as the ones I previously mentioned managed to just pummel through a huge ass group of them. Fart bending was funny, but the huge gap between the intense seriousness of the situation and then a sudden comedic input of epic trolls made me shudder. I dunno. You didn't like it so theres nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. I just think it's silly for that situation... IMO thats exactly what should have happened after he got up. Then again, as a goddamn master wind bender I didn't really expect him to lose. Well I did, but he shouldn' thave. His element is all about dodging shit, and those mechs are just way too slow to hit him. As for the kids going baller-mode. The most realstic thing would be Jinora coming in like she did with her suprise attack and then Lin going back to beating everyone. Jinora doing stuff is believable... I mean, Aang was 12. The other two was a bit silly. But one can argue: - the element of suprise - they dindt want to fight children that are like 6/8/10 (Jinora's 10, made the other two up) - Equalists fighting is all based on their speed and agility and dodging attacks. Airbending happens to also be about speed and agility and avoiding attacks, and their attacks are all AoE so you can't really dodge them. And then after they kicked ass for a few seconds and provided the distraction they did, everyone else could have come in and finished the job. It's not that far-fetched. I mean, they're top top 4 airbenders IN THE WORLD! It's more believable than these super mega badass benders getting owned every episode. -.- EDIT: It's likely that he's a grandson. Zuko was I think 4 years older than Aang. Tenzin is definitely older than Iroh, and Tenzin is Aang's youngest son. Also LOL that Meelo .gif. :D
Don't forget that fighting kids is kind of hard to deal with sometimes. They are smaller, lighter, more agile (even more so because of their air bending training) and often times more fearless. Also, by the time meelo joined the fight, they were getting their shit together and fighting back.
Iroh is definitely his grandson. I don't think they are going to make him Zuko's son.
1) all the other reasons posted in the thread
2) Korra x Iroh shipping must be kept viable. Korra getting with Zuko's son is a bit weird.
(LOL just joking about the second one...but seriously, move over Mako. Iroh's in town).
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On June 17 2012 13:05 Millitron wrote:
What was Mako outed for again? Korra kissed him, not the other way around.
Korra started it, but Mako was definitely complicit.
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nohbrows: Haha, Korra/Iroh could be epic. XD In fact, it sounds a bit better than Korra/Mako at the moment.
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