EPT[Movie] Prometheus - Page 38
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
This required far too much analysis/interpretation to really be a great movie. I am more than for a movie having deeper context and generating a ton of discussion about all the different scenes/meanings and the deeper/richer plot beyond what was shown. But this movie was just a mess of only half the story being told, it feels like an unpolished/edited story that tried to force far too much in without bothering to provide explination. Are you able to tell what's going on? Yeah, but honestly it's because "what is happening" is forced upon you instead of letting you develop what's going on through dialogue and well constructed story. Too many things are slightly implied without any real concrete evidence for what they're doing behind them. Honestly, people should be pissed that's how the movie turned out. Because if it was dumbed down a bit, we would 100% be getting sequels and we'll be able to expand upon the knowledge and spark more discussion. With how poorly this movie is being recieved, this is the last we'll ever see. (To put that in context, 50 million opener, i wouldnt doubt this movie was around 2-300 million to create (correction, estimated costs around 80-100+ million) Prometheus was 100% genius, but it was just not as well done as it could have. Way too many loose ends that you need to over analyze just to make basic sense out of it. A good story should make you think, you shouldn't have to think just to come up with your own story when being told one. | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
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dogmode
Philippines491 Posts
 http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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MooseyFate
United States237 Posts
After seeing the movie, I left somewhat disappointed and a lot of that was due to the writing. Thankfully it was in IMAX 3D so that kept my attention. | ||
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SmackDiablo
United States49 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
Beyond the poor writing, it was sad to see that this had the Michael Bay effect - more is more, as opposed to what made the Aliens movies great, which was a lot of dark suspense and frightened characters, and didn't need the alien itself in every scene. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
1. They find pictures of a far away star system in caves. Cool, Engineers were present in early "civilization" and told the early humans of... their weapons research facility? That makes no sense. It would have made perfect sense if it was the engineers homeworld, but it's just a research station, it makes no sense that they let humans know about it. 2. Shaw impregnated with an alien, put to sleep by David. People come to get her to cryostasis, she beats them the fuck down, runs away, has the alien removed and... nothing. Nothing is mentioned, the people she beat down savagely don't care about it, David isn't sad about losing the alien, no one happens to walk into the room and see that there's a monster alive in there... wtf? It makes zero sense. 3. The start of the movie is exploration and mystery.. who are the engineers, what was this place used for, what happened to them? No one knows, until the captain just pulls the "weapons research" story out of his ass. No idea where he got it from, but everyone just accepts that this has to be true. 4. Pretty fricking convenient that ONE engineer survived and can be revived, and that he instantly tries to go to earth to destroy it. This was obviously something VERY important to the engineers yet... from what get to know in the end, there are probably a homeworld of engineers out there who apparently don't give a shit since they could have destroyed earth ages ago. 5. Just random shit, but it's pretty dumb how the captain etc wastes the prometheus to down the engineer spaceship, when we find out later there's more of them... the engineer wasn't damaged in the fall anyway, he would have just left on another ship, David should have possibly mentioned that. 6. This is more speculative, but probably what I found most annoying. It makes perfect sense that the ship found in Alien 1 is the engineer ship downed in the end of Prometheus. It obviously looks similar and it makes sense that Weyland would know about the place and a bit of what happened so they could put the android on the ship and make them get samples. I went into this movie thinking it certain that this would take place on the same planet they reach in Alien. Unfortunately, this is made impossible by Prometheus, here's some reasons: * The ship in alien 1 had an engineer with a burst chest in the pilot seat, this one does not. * The planet looks completely different. * There should be wreckage etc from Prometheus close to the ship, nothing of the sort in Alien 1. I can only assume that it was never intended to be the same planet, but that just makes Prometheus so useless that they could probably have removed all connections to the aliens universe and we would have been better off. I loved how xenomorphs made sense, a different lifeform with a different lifecycle. I do not like the concept that xenomorphs are actually just a sideproduct of a weaponized black goo which turns anything living into a zombie and that facegrabbers are the midget cousins of a human impregnated by a black goo infected man's halfway aborted baby. It just makes the whole xenomorph concept ridiculous and stupid. | ||
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Fourn
Greece227 Posts
On June 11 2012 20:00 Hairy wrote: "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell My "foolish suggestion" was actually part of an argument that the film simply does not give you enough information to be able to come to any solid conclusions about why (or even WHAT) things happened; any explanation is essentially speculation and guesswork, and to push an explanation as the "correct" explanation would be arrogant. The "foolish suggestion" was intentionally foolish; the whole point was that it would be impossible to prove it was not a valid explanation. Ironically, the statement you completely misunderstood (and then took out of context) came from part of an argument arguing against something you are guilty of yourself. + Show Spoiler [The misinterpreted quote] + On June 10 2012 19:45 Hairy wrote: The person who wrote [the post explaining what happened in the film] is just some random guy telling you what HE thinks happened, and what HE thinks the reasoning behind it was. He explains why the engineer in the opening scene drank the solution that killed him; the symbolic and special meaning behind this; how this sentiment/theme is echoed throughout the movie; and how this was all very, very clever. But it's just his interpretation of what he saw - it doesn't make it correct, as there's virtually no actual information to go on. It's actually a bit tenuous to say it's speculation - it's almost pure guesswork. If I were to think the alien man was just a bit of an idiot and drank something he shouldn't, you have no way to prove me wrong because the film simply doesn't provide enough information to do so. The full post is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289534¤tpage=35#687 You are incorrect in saying that there isn't enough information to determine what the engineer did at the beginning. | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
On June 11 2012 23:43 Fourn wrote: You are incorrect in saying that there isn't enough information to determine what the engineer did at the beginning. Yeah he was creating life... you must be a genius -_- Seriously though i think most people got that but that doesn't really tell anything about anything. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
Stay tuned. sometime later today. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
from the first part it looked like they created us by accident.. when they left earth and that guy dna went into the water but that wouldnt explain how we got the cave paintings and stuff... if we knew about it then they told us then they could have destroyed... maybe some of them came back to help us like prometheus gave us fire and the other gods got mad at him dunno.. if they live in their home planet then why didnt they just go get their weapons and kill us anyway.. why the dude when he wakes up just starts killing everyone ;s | ||
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mikehall683
United States159 Posts
1. Don't read the last couple pages, there are a lot of spoilers that aren't spoilered. 2. Don't be put-off by the negative comments about the movie in this thread, most of it is the vocal minority... I'll explain why below. I went to see the movie (in 2d) with four friends. We all thoroughly enjoyed it. Three of us are huge Alien/Aliens fans and one isn't even into most sci-fi movies. I've also talked to some other people that really liked it, and it sparked some very interesting conversations. The only truely negative things I've heard/read are in this thread. Personally, I would recommend this movie to any sci-fi or horror movie fans. One thing to keep in mind is that this is the theatrical version. Ridley Scott has stated that the dvd will have about 20-30 minutes of deleted material, so we definitely aren't seeing the full story... Have you seen the theatrical version of Blade Runner?! + Show Spoiler + The only thing that I was kind of thrown-off by while watching was the old guy's make-up, but I think they might have done that on purpose to show that he had went through a lot of experiments to try to become young again, which would give him the old/young look. Also, there are people saying that the geologist shouldn't have gotten lost. Why? He's a geologist- he studies rocks... anyone can get lost in an elaborate cave. I'm pretty sure the map he was making only showed up on the ship. | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
if you go in this movie knowing that it this movie is related to the prequel storyline of Alien then: This movie seems sloppy. Has a lot of loose ends if anything and doesn't explain a whole lot of things. After watching the movie I was just completely confused about everything minus the plot, and even then I was a bit puzzled. You have to over-analyze everything and i mean EVERYTHING to just get the basic down. Not very fun. If you watched the movie on the other hand with no knowledge about this movie then this would probably be more tolerable. But even then the movie is a meh... In conclusion I am disappointed with the movie. It wasn't scary in anyway, frustrating with cliche hollywood "smart scientists make stupid illogical mistakes" and the only good thing about this movie was the visuals that play with the sci fi nerd's "curiosity" (if that made any sense). I wouldn't recommend investing in this movie at all. Much better things to watch and actually invest your time in imho. Who knows maybe the sequel movies might be better but...from the looks of it this series can go anywhere... | ||
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teapot
United Kingdom266 Posts
http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/06/11/review-prometheus-is-a-visually-stunning-epic-failure/ | ||
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BabyGiraldo
United States135 Posts
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MooseyFate
United States237 Posts
On June 12 2012 05:46 BabyGiraldo wrote: I guess it's just a new thing for a bunch of nerds to bash on Prometheus I think it has more to do with how much nerd culture in general loves the 'Alien' movies and what they represent for the Sci-Fi genre. When you have the director of the original at the helm, you expect a similar greatness. Combine that with top of the line special effects, some high-caliber actors (Fassbender) and a few years of hype, you get a lot of longtime fans incredibly excited to see the origins of one of the greatest Sci-Fi universes ever created in film. What you get is a hodge-podge of poorly written cliches with notable pacing and plot issues that manages to maintain ZERO of the atmosphere/style of the originals. That's probably why people are bashing it. Or you can just keep thinking it's because nerds like being hipsters and jumping on bandwagons. Your call. | ||
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O.P.
Sweden109 Posts
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2012/06/08/vlog-6-8-12-prometheus/ | ||
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