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theincrediblemachine
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands14 Posts
March 23 2012 12:16 GMT
#161
I really hope my bookset arrives soon, this is one of the classic's I've yet to read! And I certainly want to have read the books before I saw any movie of it ;D.
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DrLOAC
Profile Joined May 2011
United States53 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 13:38:32
March 23 2012 13:34 GMT
#162
On March 23 2012 16:54 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 15:04 sc14s wrote:
On March 23 2012 14:35 Purpl3 wrote:
On March 23 2012 14:27 sc14s wrote:
On March 23 2012 14:25 Purpl3 wrote:
On March 23 2012 13:54 DrLOAC wrote:
If Blizzard was smart they would offer Warcraft up as the psychological game Ender plays, (Giants Drink,etc) and Starcraft 2 up as one of the electronic games Ender plays against the older kids right after he arrives at the battle school.

That makes no sense. The games described match nothing of those.

its called ad placement smarty pants.

Nooooooo. Really? Tell me more, since I obviously don't understand ad placement and was trying to talk canon.

well obviously it wouldn't fit into the actual story but ad placement really doesn't have to fit into the story generally speaking.

No, ad placement generally do have to be unobtrusive. The car someone's driving doesnt affect story, neither do phones, fashion, computers etc to any real degree. WoW instead of the giant's drink game would really mess with the plot and any thoughts of a sequel. Starcraft would also be completely foreign (too hard to understand/explain in a movie) to most viewers and also have nothing to do with the space fighter described in the book.

My thought was since the Giants game was a essentially set in a fantasy world The Warcraft engine could work. As you may be aware the Warcraft Engine can essentially create fantasy worlds. I mean they did an entire episode of South Park using the engine. Blizzard could provide a skinned version of the game for the movie.

As for Starcraft, you may remember that Peter used to make Ender play Buggers and Astronauts. When Ender gets to the battle school he plays an older kid 3 matches of a starship fighting game and wins the final 2 matches. Well what if they played a real time strategy game that actually has buggers and astronauts?

When Ender asks to play the older kid could say, "Fine Launchy, you be the buggers.". This would tie the battle school back to to the abuse he suffered at Peter and foreshadow the abuse he'll recieved at the battle school. Then they can show him beating the older kid, showing off his strategic and tactical brilliance, which was the original point of the scene, with the added benefit that he does it using his understanding of his enemy, the older boy, by using enemy units which emphasizes his ability to understand the Formics.

Plus it would be a shout-out to a certain group who may just be rabid fans of both properties. In addition if Zerg beats Terran in a major motion picture it may convince some folks at blizzard that Terran doesn't need to be nerfed in the next patch. :p
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XDawn
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Canada4040 Posts
March 23 2012 13:44 GMT
#163
Hope this movie turns out to all our expectations if it gets produced.
On the other hand, I'm going to dig up my Ender books and re-read, which are all in bad condition - so I'll buy another set just to keep for another decade in case my current one gets obliterated :D
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drshdwpuppet
Profile Joined July 2011
United States332 Posts
March 23 2012 14:10 GMT
#164
I practically grew up on these books and their dark, twisted outlook on the world and politics/war. I think it will be very hard to show the true callous brutality between the kids, but if they manage to get it right, this will be one of the best science fiction movies ever made. The key is that they have to not make this into a children's movie. The books are not for kids, YA at earliest and most of the themes are very adult in nature.

hell, even my username comes from one of the books in the Bean series (Shadow Puppets), I am a hardcore fan and definitely will go see this ^^
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AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
March 23 2012 14:35 GMT
#165
I loved the original Ender's game, and the one from Bean's perspective (Ender's Shadow, I think?) but everything after that I just couldn't get into.

I really, really hope they do the book justice with the movie. I know it's supposed to be like "teen literature" but I read it a few years ago (I'm 26 now) and I loved it.
Hertzy
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland355 Posts
March 23 2012 14:46 GMT
#166
On March 23 2012 22:34 DrLOAC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 16:54 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 23 2012 15:04 sc14s wrote:
On March 23 2012 14:35 Purpl3 wrote:
On March 23 2012 14:27 sc14s wrote:
On March 23 2012 14:25 Purpl3 wrote:
On March 23 2012 13:54 DrLOAC wrote:
If Blizzard was smart they would offer Warcraft up as the psychological game Ender plays, (Giants Drink,etc) and Starcraft 2 up as one of the electronic games Ender plays against the older kids right after he arrives at the battle school.

That makes no sense. The games described match nothing of those.

its called ad placement smarty pants.

Nooooooo. Really? Tell me more, since I obviously don't understand ad placement and was trying to talk canon.

well obviously it wouldn't fit into the actual story but ad placement really doesn't have to fit into the story generally speaking.

No, ad placement generally do have to be unobtrusive. The car someone's driving doesnt affect story, neither do phones, fashion, computers etc to any real degree. WoW instead of the giant's drink game would really mess with the plot and any thoughts of a sequel. Starcraft would also be completely foreign (too hard to understand/explain in a movie) to most viewers and also have nothing to do with the space fighter described in the book.

My thought was since the Giants game was a essentially set in a fantasy world The Warcraft engine could work. As you may be aware the Warcraft Engine can essentially create fantasy worlds. I mean they did an entire episode of South Park using the engine. Blizzard could provide a skinned version of the game for the movie.

As for Starcraft, you may remember that Peter used to make Ender play Buggers and Astronauts. When Ender gets to the battle school he plays an older kid 3 matches of a starship fighting game and wins the final 2 matches. Well what if they played a real time strategy game that actually has buggers and astronauts?

When Ender asks to play the older kid could say, "Fine Launchy, you be the buggers.". This would tie the battle school back to to the abuse he suffered at Peter and foreshadow the abuse he'll recieved at the battle school. Then they can show him beating the older kid, showing off his strategic and tactical brilliance, which was the original point of the scene, with the added benefit that he does it using his understanding of his enemy, the older boy, by using enemy units which emphasizes his ability to understand the Formics.

Plus it would be a shout-out to a certain group who may just be rabid fans of both properties. In addition if Zerg beats Terran in a major motion picture it may convince some folks at blizzard that Terran doesn't need to be nerfed in the next patch. :p


The problem with using either Starcraft is that it's kind of a poor engine to simulate ship-to-ship combat, and even worse if you try to use zerg fliers for bugger ships. The best way to do it is to give Creative Assembly the game rights in return for a modified version of the Total War series' naval battle engine. (Although that might be the Honorverse fan in me talking)
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Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 14:46:40
March 23 2012 14:46 GMT
#167
On March 23 2012 13:54 DrLOAC wrote:
emy, the older boy, by using enemy units which emphasizes his ability to understand the Formics.

Plus it would be a shout-out to a certain group who may just be rabid fans of both properties. In addition if Zerg beats Terran in a major motion picture it may convince some folks at blizzard that Terran doesn't need to be nerfed in the next patch. :p



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DrLOAC
Profile Joined May 2011
United States53 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 15:47:11
March 23 2012 15:42 GMT
#168
On March 23 2012 23:46 Hertzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 22:34 DrLOAC wrote:
On March 23 2012 16:54 Scarecrow wrote:
On March 23 2012 15:04 sc14s wrote:
On March 23 2012 14:35 Purpl3 wrote:
On March 23 2012 14:27 sc14s wrote:
On March 23 2012 14:25 Purpl3 wrote:
On March 23 2012 13:54 DrLOAC wrote:
If Blizzard was smart they would offer Warcraft up as the psychological game Ender plays, (Giants Drink,etc) and Starcraft 2 up as one of the electronic games Ender plays against the older kids right after he arrives at the battle school.

That makes no sense. The games described match nothing of those.

its called ad placement smarty pants.

Nooooooo. Really? Tell me more, since I obviously don't understand ad placement and was trying to talk canon.

well obviously it wouldn't fit into the actual story but ad placement really doesn't have to fit into the story generally speaking.

No, ad placement generally do have to be unobtrusive. The car someone's driving doesnt affect story, neither do phones, fashion, computers etc to any real degree. WoW instead of the giant's drink game would really mess with the plot and any thoughts of a sequel. Starcraft would also be completely foreign (too hard to understand/explain in a movie) to most viewers and also have nothing to do with the space fighter described in the book.

My thought was since the Giants game was a essentially set in a fantasy world The Warcraft engine could work. As you may be aware the Warcraft Engine can essentially create fantasy worlds. I mean they did an entire episode of South Park using the engine. Blizzard could provide a skinned version of the game for the movie.

As for Starcraft, you may remember that Peter used to make Ender play Buggers and Astronauts. When Ender gets to the battle school he plays an older kid 3 matches of a starship fighting game and wins the final 2 matches. Well what if they played a real time strategy game that actually has buggers and astronauts?

When Ender asks to play the older kid could say, "Fine Launchy, you be the buggers.". This would tie the battle school back to to the abuse he suffered at Peter and foreshadow the abuse he'll recieved at the battle school. Then they can show him beating the older kid, showing off his strategic and tactical brilliance, which was the original point of the scene, with the added benefit that he does it using his understanding of his enemy, the older boy, by using enemy units which emphasizes his ability to understand the Formics.

Plus it would be a shout-out to a certain group who may just be rabid fans of both properties. In addition if Zerg beats Terran in a major motion picture it may convince some folks at blizzard that Terran doesn't need to be nerfed in the next patch. :p


The problem with using either Starcraft is that it's kind of a poor engine to simulate ship-to-ship combat, and even worse if you try to use zerg fliers for bugger ships. The best way to do it is to give Creative Assembly the game rights in return for a modified version of the Total War series' naval battle engine. (Although that might be the Honorverse fan in me talking)



I think we are talking about two different parts of the story. The last half of the book involves the command school where he commands his former team mates in using the "flight simulator" to fight the buggers. That IS NOT the scene I was recommending using SC2 for.

There was a short scene early in the book when Ender is like 6 and first arrives at the battle school. This scene occurs before any of the 0 G games take place In this scene he challenges an older kid to play one of the computer games. OSC describes the games a simulator with flying spaceships. The type of the game is not the important part of the scene, I feel. The important part was Ender showing off his tactical brilliance. So why not let him show it on game we all love that just happens to have the right kind of units for a story about Marines and bugs and happens to reward good strategy.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 23 2012 20:17 GMT
#169
On March 24 2012 00:42 DrLOAC wrote:
I think we are talking about two different parts of the story. The last half of the book involves the command school where he commands his former team mates in using the "flight simulator" to fight the buggers. That IS NOT the scene I was recommending using SC2 for.

There was a short scene early in the book when Ender is like 6 and first arrives at the battle school. This scene occurs before any of the 0 G games take place In this scene he challenges an older kid to play one of the computer games. OSC describes the games a simulator with flying spaceships. The type of the game is not the important part of the scene, I feel. The important part was Ender showing off his tactical brilliance. So why not let him show it on game we all love that just happens to have the right kind of units for a story about Marines and bugs and happens to reward good strategy.

The type of game is completely integral to the scene. It's about the older kids being "computer trained", meaning they just respond to preset patterns, and the computer just gets faster and faster until no human can react or respond fast enough.

Either way, it's the kind of scene that will be cut from any film. And SC2 is far too cluttered to show anything understandable within a 5-10 minute time frame.

I expect the entire movie to be shit, though, because Hollywood is going to make it about kids playing games in space, instead of children being trained to be soldiers and commanders.
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DrLOAC
Profile Joined May 2011
United States53 Posts
March 23 2012 21:48 GMT
#170
On March 24 2012 05:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 00:42 DrLOAC wrote:
I think we are talking about two different parts of the story. The last half of the book involves the command school where he commands his former team mates in using the "flight simulator" to fight the buggers. That IS NOT the scene I was recommending using SC2 for.

There was a short scene early in the book when Ender is like 6 and first arrives at the battle school. This scene occurs before any of the 0 G games take place In this scene he challenges an older kid to play one of the computer games. OSC describes the games a simulator with flying spaceships. The type of the game is not the important part of the scene, I feel. The important part was Ender showing off his tactical brilliance. So why not let him show it on game we all love that just happens to have the right kind of units for a story about Marines and bugs and happens to reward good strategy.

The type of game is completely integral to the scene. It's about the older kids being "computer trained", meaning they just respond to preset patterns, and the computer just gets faster and faster until no human can react or respond fast enough.

Either way, it's the kind of scene that will be cut from any film. And SC2 is far too cluttered to show anything understandable within a 5-10 minute time frame.

I expect the entire movie to be shit, though, because Hollywood is going to make it about kids playing games in space, instead of children being trained to be soldiers and commanders.


My basic point, no one will understand a game shown for all of a few seconds other than Ender wining against an older opponent. So why not use a well known game that some of the hardcore audience would actually get. Plus your description of playing the computer sounds like the insane Ai.

Other than that I agree with the rest of your concerns over the movie. Plus this whole thing was just a somewhat nifty ideas tying two of my favorite things together.
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Kojak21
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1104 Posts
March 23 2012 22:25 GMT
#171
thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, using starcraft and wow in a movie, when the movies got nothing to do with those games
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 22:41:05
March 23 2012 22:40 GMT
#172
I wouldn't be surprised if the movie publishers actually contracted developers to make the arcade game / fantasy game / final 'game' custom for them, and then release said games on iTunes or Steam or whatever as part of marketing hype. If the movie is good, they'd make a killing on the games.
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Purpl3
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1067 Posts
March 23 2012 22:46 GMT
#173
On March 24 2012 07:40 myopia wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the movie publishers actually contracted developers to make the arcade game / fantasy game / final 'game' custom for them, and then release said games on iTunes or Steam or whatever as part of marketing hype. If the movie is good, they'd make a killing on the games.

If they're going for a great movie they would, if they're trying to appeal to the mass audience I doubt they'd work that hard.
DrLOAC
Profile Joined May 2011
United States53 Posts
March 23 2012 23:09 GMT
#174
On March 24 2012 07:25 Kojak21 wrote:
thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, using starcraft and wow in a movie, when the movies got nothing to do with those games


They did it in an episode of the Office :p

But since you seem upset by the idea don't worry it won't happen.
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Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
March 24 2012 00:25 GMT
#175
Finished watching The Hunger Games. Although Im not too happy about that movie, I think it paves the way for Ender's Game (kids fighting kids, kids dying that sort of thing). I really want Ender's game to be as amazing as in the book.
climax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1088 Posts
March 30 2012 16:18 GMT
#176
I'm so glad this movie is coming out.

With Robert Ocri (writer for the recent J.J. Abram's Star Trek), Gigi Pritzker, and Linda McDonough (producers of Drive) producing this film, I trust they will lead Gavin Hood to make a good film. The cast is really solid and has a lot of potential.
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Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
March 30 2012 17:00 GMT
#177
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot.
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aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
March 30 2012 17:09 GMT
#178
Is Ender 5 years old when he kills a kid for the first time?

That's kind of a ... rough scene ... and it's so needed to explain the thought process of Andrew Wiggin later on when he breaks down somewhat and doesn't see the point in progressing. It also gives a clear insight into the thought process when they select him and groom him to be the commander.

It would be an awesome movie ... if they don't tone it down. But it's no Harry Potter'ish kind of story.
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
March 30 2012 17:15 GMT
#179
On March 31 2012 02:00 Retgery wrote:
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot.


I think the hardest part will be to find a character who is both young enough and can convincingly portrait Ender's development over his years in Battle School. The have to find a genuine acting prodigy if they want the movie to work well for that.
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
March 30 2012 17:19 GMT
#180
On March 31 2012 02:15 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 02:00 Retgery wrote:
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot.


I think the hardest part will be to find a character who is both young enough and can convincingly portrait Ender's development over his years in Battle School. The have to find a genuine acting prodigy if they want the movie to work well for that.

If they the raise ender's age up to maybe 12 I think it could work, there's a number of actors at that could play him well at that age. I more worried about things like the shower scene, or how things will be in the barracks/dorms.
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