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On March 31 2012 02:19 Retgery wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 02:15 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:00 Retgery wrote:
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot. I think the hardest part will be to find a character who is both young enough and can convincingly portrait Ender's development over his years in Battle School. The have to find a genuine acting prodigy if they want the movie to work well for that. If they the raise ender's age up to maybe 12 I think it could work, there's a number of actors at that could play him well at that age. I more worried about things like the shower scene, or how things will be in the barracks/dorms.
There's a little discussion going on over in the Hunger Games thread about the (lack of) violence in the movie to achieve the PG12 rating. I think it was very well done in that film - violence often only hinted at, fights shown with a shaky camera, yet everything still clearly violence, combat and death. This could work well for the handful of combat / "gore" scenes in Ender's Game.
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On March 31 2012 02:24 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 02:19 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:15 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:00 Retgery wrote:
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot. I think the hardest part will be to find a character who is both young enough and can convincingly portrait Ender's development over his years in Battle School. The have to find a genuine acting prodigy if they want the movie to work well for that. If they the raise ender's age up to maybe 12 I think it could work, there's a number of actors at that could play him well at that age. I more worried about things like the shower scene, or how things will be in the barracks/dorms. There's a little discussion going on over in the Hunger Games thread about the (lack of) violence in the movie to achieve the PG12 rating. I think it was very well done in that film - violence often only hinted at, fights shown with a shaky camera, yet everything still clearly violence, combat and death. This could work well for the handful of combat / "gore" scenes in Ender's Game.
That has more do with target audience though. The makers new hunger games would appeal to younger kids around that age. Ender's game was very appealing to teenagers at the time, but that was when if first came out. Now all the younger audience that enjoyed it so much has grown up, and I don;t really know how popular the book are with this generation.
If the target audience is for adults, they rate it "R" and it become a huge controversy with brutal scenes of violence(which is really what we all want). If it;s targeted for younger teens, and is rated "PG" we get a disappointing movie with important scenes being drastically tamed down. Has it been stated what the rating will be?
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Can someone tell me how they're going to portray the scenes in the command school?
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Has anyone checked IMDB recently?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1731141/
Harrison Ford is Graff, Abigail Breslin is Valentine, and the kid from Hugo is Ender.
The director is the guy from Wolverine and played Anubis for one episode of SG-1.
Very interesting.
I'm withholding judgement until they give us something substantial, it's still filming.
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On March 31 2012 02:42 Retgery wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 02:24 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:19 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:15 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:00 Retgery wrote:
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot. I think the hardest part will be to find a character who is both young enough and can convincingly portrait Ender's development over his years in Battle School. The have to find a genuine acting prodigy if they want the movie to work well for that. If they the raise ender's age up to maybe 12 I think it could work, there's a number of actors at that could play him well at that age. I more worried about things like the shower scene, or how things will be in the barracks/dorms. There's a little discussion going on over in the Hunger Games thread about the (lack of) violence in the movie to achieve the PG12 rating. I think it was very well done in that film - violence often only hinted at, fights shown with a shaky camera, yet everything still clearly violence, combat and death. This could work well for the handful of combat / "gore" scenes in Ender's Game. That has more do with target audience though. The makers new hunger games would appeal to younger kids around that age. Ender's game was very appealing to teenagers at the time, but that was when if first came out. Now all the younger audience that enjoyed it so much has grown up, and I don;t really know how popular the book are with this generation. If the target audience is for adults, they rate it "R" and it become a huge controversy with brutal scenes of violence(which is really what we all want). If it;s targeted for younger teens, and is rated "PG" we get a disappointing movie with important scenes being drastically tamed down. Has it been stated what the rating will be?
Slight spoiler warning for those who haven't read the book. Continue reading at your own risk.
My point was that while Ender's outburst and subsequent killings are integral to the story and his progression as a character, the violence itself isn't. It's not neccessary to turn either killing into some gorefest or to show them with closeups and high details, or to highlight other "brutal" elements like Peter's mutilated squirrels. By no means should these things be left out, but there's no need to portrait them so excessivly that the film would need a higher rating than PG12.
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On March 31 2012 03:16 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 02:42 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:24 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:19 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:15 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:00 Retgery wrote:
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot. I think the hardest part will be to find a character who is both young enough and can convincingly portrait Ender's development over his years in Battle School. The have to find a genuine acting prodigy if they want the movie to work well for that. If they the raise ender's age up to maybe 12 I think it could work, there's a number of actors at that could play him well at that age. I more worried about things like the shower scene, or how things will be in the barracks/dorms. There's a little discussion going on over in the Hunger Games thread about the (lack of) violence in the movie to achieve the PG12 rating. I think it was very well done in that film - violence often only hinted at, fights shown with a shaky camera, yet everything still clearly violence, combat and death. This could work well for the handful of combat / "gore" scenes in Ender's Game. That has more do with target audience though. The makers new hunger games would appeal to younger kids around that age. Ender's game was very appealing to teenagers at the time, but that was when if first came out. Now all the younger audience that enjoyed it so much has grown up, and I don;t really know how popular the book are with this generation. If the target audience is for adults, they rate it "R" and it become a huge controversy with brutal scenes of violence(which is really what we all want). If it;s targeted for younger teens, and is rated "PG" we get a disappointing movie with important scenes being drastically tamed down. Has it been stated what the rating will be? Slight spoiler warning for those who haven't read the book. Continue reading at your own risk. My point was that while Ender's outburst and subsequent killings are integral to the story and his progression as a character, the violence itself isn't. It's not neccessary to turn either killing into some gorefest or to show them with closeups and high details, or to highlight other "brutal" elements like Peter's mutilated squirrels. By no means should these things be left out, but there's no need to portrait them so excessivly that the film would need a higher rating than PG12.
I disagree; The callousness with which Ender kills is a big factor in the story. I'm not sure they'd manage to convey that through shaky cam.
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On March 31 2012 04:15 Hertzy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:16 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:42 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:24 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:19 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:15 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:00 Retgery wrote:
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot. I think the hardest part will be to find a character who is both young enough and can convincingly portrait Ender's development over his years in Battle School. The have to find a genuine acting prodigy if they want the movie to work well for that. If they the raise ender's age up to maybe 12 I think it could work, there's a number of actors at that could play him well at that age. I more worried about things like the shower scene, or how things will be in the barracks/dorms. There's a little discussion going on over in the Hunger Games thread about the (lack of) violence in the movie to achieve the PG12 rating. I think it was very well done in that film - violence often only hinted at, fights shown with a shaky camera, yet everything still clearly violence, combat and death. This could work well for the handful of combat / "gore" scenes in Ender's Game. That has more do with target audience though. The makers new hunger games would appeal to younger kids around that age. Ender's game was very appealing to teenagers at the time, but that was when if first came out. Now all the younger audience that enjoyed it so much has grown up, and I don;t really know how popular the book are with this generation. If the target audience is for adults, they rate it "R" and it become a huge controversy with brutal scenes of violence(which is really what we all want). If it;s targeted for younger teens, and is rated "PG" we get a disappointing movie with important scenes being drastically tamed down. Has it been stated what the rating will be? Slight spoiler warning for those who haven't read the book. Continue reading at your own risk. My point was that while Ender's outburst and subsequent killings are integral to the story and his progression as a character, the violence itself isn't. It's not neccessary to turn either killing into some gorefest or to show them with closeups and high details, or to highlight other "brutal" elements like Peter's mutilated squirrels. By no means should these things be left out, but there's no need to portrait them so excessivly that the film would need a higher rating than PG12. I disagree; The callousness with which Ender kills is a big factor in the story. I'm not sure they'd manage to convey that through shaky cam.
I'm not sure callous is how I would say it. I mean he never knew he killed anyone.
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On March 31 2012 04:15 Hertzy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:16 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:42 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:24 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:19 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:15 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:00 Retgery wrote:
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot. I think the hardest part will be to find a character who is both young enough and can convincingly portrait Ender's development over his years in Battle School. The have to find a genuine acting prodigy if they want the movie to work well for that. If they the raise ender's age up to maybe 12 I think it could work, there's a number of actors at that could play him well at that age. I more worried about things like the shower scene, or how things will be in the barracks/dorms. There's a little discussion going on over in the Hunger Games thread about the (lack of) violence in the movie to achieve the PG12 rating. I think it was very well done in that film - violence often only hinted at, fights shown with a shaky camera, yet everything still clearly violence, combat and death. This could work well for the handful of combat / "gore" scenes in Ender's Game. That has more do with target audience though. The makers new hunger games would appeal to younger kids around that age. Ender's game was very appealing to teenagers at the time, but that was when if first came out. Now all the younger audience that enjoyed it so much has grown up, and I don;t really know how popular the book are with this generation. If the target audience is for adults, they rate it "R" and it become a huge controversy with brutal scenes of violence(which is really what we all want). If it;s targeted for younger teens, and is rated "PG" we get a disappointing movie with important scenes being drastically tamed down. Has it been stated what the rating will be? Slight spoiler warning for those who haven't read the book. Continue reading at your own risk. My point was that while Ender's outburst and subsequent killings are integral to the story and his progression as a character, the violence itself isn't. It's not neccessary to turn either killing into some gorefest or to show them with closeups and high details, or to highlight other "brutal" elements like Peter's mutilated squirrels. By no means should these things be left out, but there's no need to portrait them so excessivly that the film would need a higher rating than PG12. I disagree; The callousness with which Ender kills is a big factor in the story. I'm not sure they'd manage to convey that through shaky cam.
So you say we need a close-up and detailed shot of a boy being beaten to death in order to properly convey Ender's character development? That's nonsense and you know it, even the book didn't go that far in terms of being graphic.
Have you even seen the scenes in The Hunger Games I've mentioned? Probably not, or you wouldn't have written what you did. I'm not talking about omitting violence, or tuning it to a degree where it becomes comical or implausible. There's just no need to blow it out of proportion.
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The violence in Ender's Game doesn't really need to be bloody. You can easily have it shown in a tasteful way. You don't even really need shakey-cam, just carefully frame the show so the actual impact/gore is obscured, but then show the resulting blood.
Also I wonder if they'll shoot this in a way that sets up an Ender's Shadow movie.
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On March 31 2012 05:38 Logo wrote:
Also I wonder if they'll shoot this in a way that sets up an Ender's Shadow movie.
This is exactly what I was wondering, in some ways Ender's Shadow was the more impactful book to me for whatever reason. I certainly hope they don't fuck this up, I'm already worried about The Avengers and Batman 3.
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On March 31 2012 05:34 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:15 Hertzy wrote:On March 31 2012 03:16 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:42 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:24 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:19 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:15 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:00 Retgery wrote:
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot. I think the hardest part will be to find a character who is both young enough and can convincingly portrait Ender's development over his years in Battle School. The have to find a genuine acting prodigy if they want the movie to work well for that. If they the raise ender's age up to maybe 12 I think it could work, there's a number of actors at that could play him well at that age. I more worried about things like the shower scene, or how things will be in the barracks/dorms. There's a little discussion going on over in the Hunger Games thread about the (lack of) violence in the movie to achieve the PG12 rating. I think it was very well done in that film - violence often only hinted at, fights shown with a shaky camera, yet everything still clearly violence, combat and death. This could work well for the handful of combat / "gore" scenes in Ender's Game. That has more do with target audience though. The makers new hunger games would appeal to younger kids around that age. Ender's game was very appealing to teenagers at the time, but that was when if first came out. Now all the younger audience that enjoyed it so much has grown up, and I don;t really know how popular the book are with this generation. If the target audience is for adults, they rate it "R" and it become a huge controversy with brutal scenes of violence(which is really what we all want). If it;s targeted for younger teens, and is rated "PG" we get a disappointing movie with important scenes being drastically tamed down. Has it been stated what the rating will be? Slight spoiler warning for those who haven't read the book. Continue reading at your own risk. My point was that while Ender's outburst and subsequent killings are integral to the story and his progression as a character, the violence itself isn't. It's not neccessary to turn either killing into some gorefest or to show them with closeups and high details, or to highlight other "brutal" elements like Peter's mutilated squirrels. By no means should these things be left out, but there's no need to portrait them so excessivly that the film would need a higher rating than PG12. I disagree; The callousness with which Ender kills is a big factor in the story. I'm not sure they'd manage to convey that through shaky cam. So you say we need a close-up and detailed shot of a boy being beaten to death in order to properly convey Ender's character development? That's nonsense and you know it, even the book didn't go that far in terms of being graphic. Have you even seen the scenes in The Hunger Games I've mentioned? Probably not, or you wouldn't have written what you did. I'm not talking about omitting violence, or tuning it to a degree where it becomes comical or implausible. There's just no need to blow it out of proportion.
It's very important that Ender keeps kicking them after they are down. Ender doesn't win. He destroys his opponents so that they never, ever, will have the chance of hurting him again.
That goes much farther than what we are supposed to believe is the right way to handle things ... and why he is such a compelling character.
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On March 31 2012 09:27 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 05:34 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 04:15 Hertzy wrote:On March 31 2012 03:16 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:42 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:24 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:19 Retgery wrote:On March 31 2012 02:15 Shockk wrote:On March 31 2012 02:00 Retgery wrote:
This probably isn;t going to turn out well. If they followed the book to the letter it would be sued for child pornography or some other ridiculous law suit. If this is going to work they will have up Ender's age by quite a lot. I think the hardest part will be to find a character who is both young enough and can convincingly portrait Ender's development over his years in Battle School. The have to find a genuine acting prodigy if they want the movie to work well for that. If they the raise ender's age up to maybe 12 I think it could work, there's a number of actors at that could play him well at that age. I more worried about things like the shower scene, or how things will be in the barracks/dorms. There's a little discussion going on over in the Hunger Games thread about the (lack of) violence in the movie to achieve the PG12 rating. I think it was very well done in that film - violence often only hinted at, fights shown with a shaky camera, yet everything still clearly violence, combat and death. This could work well for the handful of combat / "gore" scenes in Ender's Game. That has more do with target audience though. The makers new hunger games would appeal to younger kids around that age. Ender's game was very appealing to teenagers at the time, but that was when if first came out. Now all the younger audience that enjoyed it so much has grown up, and I don;t really know how popular the book are with this generation. If the target audience is for adults, they rate it "R" and it become a huge controversy with brutal scenes of violence(which is really what we all want). If it;s targeted for younger teens, and is rated "PG" we get a disappointing movie with important scenes being drastically tamed down. Has it been stated what the rating will be? Slight spoiler warning for those who haven't read the book. Continue reading at your own risk. My point was that while Ender's outburst and subsequent killings are integral to the story and his progression as a character, the violence itself isn't. It's not neccessary to turn either killing into some gorefest or to show them with closeups and high details, or to highlight other "brutal" elements like Peter's mutilated squirrels. By no means should these things be left out, but there's no need to portrait them so excessivly that the film would need a higher rating than PG12. I disagree; The callousness with which Ender kills is a big factor in the story. I'm not sure they'd manage to convey that through shaky cam. So you say we need a close-up and detailed shot of a boy being beaten to death in order to properly convey Ender's character development? That's nonsense and you know it, even the book didn't go that far in terms of being graphic. Have you even seen the scenes in The Hunger Games I've mentioned? Probably not, or you wouldn't have written what you did. I'm not talking about omitting violence, or tuning it to a degree where it becomes comical or implausible. There's just no need to blow it out of proportion. It's very important that Ender keeps kicking them after they are down. Ender doesn't win. He destroys his opponents so that they never, ever, will have the chance of hurting him again. That goes much farther than what we are supposed to believe is the right way to handle things ... and why he is such a compelling character.
Please re-read my post. I explicitely stated that I'm not talking about omitting violence, especially not when integral to the story or a character.
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For all the people still caring about this project the people working on the Enders Game movie did a 5 question Q&A thing on their tumblr and this quote gave me some hope:
Paul2012 asks:
Is it a movie for adults, about kids, or a kids movie? I hope for the former.
Like the book, the movie Ender’s Game is about young protagonists dealing with one of the most adult situations known to man: WAR. We don’t soft peddle it, yet we don’t shy away from the fun of being in space and learning amazing new skills that we would all want to learn at any age.
The rest is found here.
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On May 24 2012 00:19 Purpl3 wrote:For all the people still caring about this project the people working on the Enders Game movie did a 5 question Q&A thing on their tumblr and this quote gave me some hope: Show nested quote +
Paul2012 asks:
Is it a movie for adults, about kids, or a kids movie? I hope for the former.
Like the book, the movie Ender’s Game is about young protagonists dealing with one of the most adult situations known to man: WAR. We don’t soft peddle it, yet we don’t shy away from the fun of being in space and learning amazing new skills that we would all want to learn at any age.
The rest is found here.
Hey this is awesome Purpl3 thanks for the good read
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There were some more questions answered today:
Katrina asks:
How has the book been adapted to script to work with the ages of the actors?
Time has been compressed impressionistically. Though we don’t specify how much time has passed, leaving it somewhat up to your imagination, it is clear that the time span is not as long as the book’s.
The rest is here.
I'm glad to see that the questions they answer were many of the ones I kept asking myself.
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I'm still very torn on this film, as I don't want to see one of my favorite books ruined, but Hollywood has been impressing lately with Marvel adaptations and LotR/Hobbit.
First still:
![[image loading]](http://www.endersansible.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/first-offical-still.jpg)
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It looks really promising. Also Harrison Ford ftw!
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I'm pretty excited about this!
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World War Z movie adaptation. /thread.
User was warned for this post
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I just hope its not going to be akin to The hunger games. Fucking shit movie for kids. Please please please dont kidify this movie.
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