EPT[Movie] Ender's Game - Page 24
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Steins;Gate
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On November 05 2013 00:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: i cant believe so many people responded positively to this movie i fell into depression for a few hours after watching my childhood violated before my eyes I did as well. I don't think they captured the emotions right at all and they made it too hollywood-esque. gahhhhh  Bonzo was well done tho. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11112 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
The only other thing I thought they didn't illustrate very well (or deliberately changed?) was precisely how deceived Ender was the whole time, until the very end. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On November 05 2013 04:36 Sabu113 wrote: Worried about going to see it. Hearing about little Bonzo is a bit saddening. I thought that whole dynamic was quite central to the books. With the age compression, I thought their decision was awesome. See the previous page for a massive wall of text on why it works. Honestly, Bonzo is probably the best character in the movie and a ton of that is because of his size. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On November 05 2013 14:58 Alryk wrote: Have to say I liked it... mildly irked by Bonzo's size and Bean's placement, but it's not THAT big of a deal. The movie, even though it was 2 hours, also felt rushed to me, but there's not much they can do about that... The only other thing I thought they didn't illustrate very well (or deliberately changed?) was precisely how deceived Ender was the whole time, until the very end. Deliberately changed, I think. It wasn't a question of incompetence, I think it was an issue of time. Every time information is kept from Ender, the viewer needs to know about it. So when they did keep stuff hidden, you had to have a scene with Graff to let the viewers know what was up, since you can't assume everyone read the book, Doing that extends the movie, since there really isn't much fluff they can cut. It's a lot of content to get into a reasonable time period (unless you go the Lord of the Rings route, and that wouldn't work either for other reasons). It also screws with your pacing, and with the perception of Graff, who needs to be a massive dick who the audience empathizes with. It's a delicate balance and hard to achieve with a secondary character, and already it leans too much towards the negative side. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
No pacing No build-up No character development No justification for strong emotion (since there was no build-up). Poor transition between major scenes Ender's Angst, not Ender's Game Thought he was going to make love to his sister Valentine. What an awful movie and I could tell which bits they completely removed from the book without ever reading or knowing anything about it: more to say that I felt like there was a ton of psychological and internal turmoil that didn't translate well in the movie; despite the small nuances and touches they did with the finesse of Ender's actions during tense scenes. I didn't even understand the final "twist" until after someone told me because it all felt incredibly rushed anti-climatic. The writing hit some good notes, but fell into a lot of cliches and awkwardness that I didn't appreciate at all. It reminded me of Memoirs of a Geisha in that a lot of internal stuff was cut that drew a lot in what the character differentiated himself from the rest, but unlike Steven Spielberg's semi-mess of a mess; this one just quickly botched the movie. I would have been fine if they paced through the beginning to get the more interesting command school and up stuff, but even then; it was just chaptered by major traumatic scene. Ender defeats some biblical "Goliath", gets promoted. I could see the contrast between Ford's character and Ender's character after each major event, but they made so blatantly contrasting in script that it felt pretty one-dimensional. I would have been okay if they really took this slow and stretched it across 2 movies or so and then onto the next book. I really would have enjoyed the in-between of his days at the different schools to really grasp how impactful each event was to his psyche and understanding of himself as he grows as well as the war and the importance of it in the grand scheme of things. Graphics were nice, soundtrack was beautiful: 5/10 | ||
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RotterdamBlt
Canada46 Posts
On November 06 2013 07:31 Torte de Lini wrote: Didn't read the book. No pacing No build-up No character development No justification for strong emotion (since there was no build-up). Poor transition between major scenes Ender's Angst, not Ender's Game Thought he was going to make love to his sister Valentine. What an awful movie and I could tell which bits they completely removed from the book without ever reading or knowing anything about it: more to say that I felt like there was a ton of psychological and internal turmoil that didn't translate well in the movie; despite the small nuances and touches they did with the finesse of Ender's actions during tense scenes. I didn't even understand the final "twist" until after someone told me because it all felt incredibly rushed anti-climatic. The writing hit some good notes, but fell into a lot of cliches and awkwardness that I didn't appreciate at all. It reminded me of Memoirs of a Geisha in that a lot of internal stuff was cut that drew a lot in what the character differentiated himself from the rest, but unlike Steven Spielberg's semi-mess of a mess; this one just quickly botched the movie. I would have been fine if they paced through the beginning to get the more interesting command school and up stuff, but even then; it was just chaptered by major traumatic scene. Ender defeats some biblical "Goliath", gets promoted. I could see the contrast between Ford's character and Ender's character after each major event, but they made so blatantly contrasting in script that it felt pretty one-dimensional. I would have been okay if they really took this slow and stretched it across 2 movies or so and then onto the next book. I really would have enjoyed the in-between of his days at the different schools to really grasp how impactful each event was to his psyche and understanding of himself as he grows as well as the war and the importance of it in the grand scheme of things. Graphics were nice, soundtrack was beautiful: 5/10 Yeah, as a huge fan of the book series I can definitely see those issues for a non-reader. To me, it felt like great visuals to accompany the novel while the story wouldn't translate well to a hollywood film. | ||
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Poffel
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remedium
United States939 Posts
The movie just feels like a hollow shell of the book. Take five or six seminal moments from the book, make them 20 minute scenes, and that's the movie. | ||
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
On October 03 2013 02:20 Zax19 wrote: Hm, the book doesn't seem all that amazing (several things feel quite disjointed) but I understand if people are concerned about the adaptation. Personally I can't stand the popularity of the Starship Troopers film and how very little it has in common with the book... No that I've seen it I have to say that although I find the book quite mediocre, the film did a really good job keeping keeping up with the book - a great adaptation  | ||
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Fumanchu
Canada669 Posts
This movie friggin blows chunks. It's probably my least favorite movie in the last five years. It was SO bad. One of my friends summed it up perfectly: It was a good summary of the book. There was zero character development. All the relationships between Ender and his peers are never explored in the slightest. Not even the most important ones. (His brother, his sister, alai, bean, dink, etc). It was truly just a recap of the book. They should have taken the time to do this right and made it into multiple movies instead of just cramming it into one. If you enjoyed the book, please stay far far away from this movie. It doesn't even come remotely close to doing it any sort of justice. | ||
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Coppermantis
United States845 Posts
There were a few glaring issues though. + Show Spoiler + -I can see how people who did not read the book would lack critical context. References to Ender being a "third," some of the battle school jargon, and the Ansible, for instance. -The total exclusion of Valentine and Peter except in the very beginning and Valentine's one appearance toward the end. Some coverage of Peter's true brutality and the whole Locke and Demosthenes thing would have been nice, but hoping for that may have been too much. -Bean, Alai and the others relegated to too minor roles. They focused almost entirely on Ender and Petra, setting her up almost to be a sort of love interest (although if you've read the other books you know how their stories end up) -Finally, and most egregiously, the fact that the nature of the war was never concealed from Ender. In the book, the Command school was on Eros, a bugger FOB, where they were still telling him that they were preparing for another defensive war, furthering their deception. In the film, however, they told him right from the start that "the base is built on a formic planet near the homeworld so we can communicate directly with the fleet via ansible," so Ender immediately knows that the IF is not merely tying to defend humanity. Plus, with the mention of the ansible so early on, he must be stupid to not immediately make the connection that he is commanding real fleets. '' On the more positive side, the actual portrayal of Ender and Asa Butterfield's acting were fantastic. Other than those issues, I didn't find a whole lot that I didn't like. I was surprised how much from the book they actually managed to fit in (I was expecting things like the Giant's Drink and end with the Queen egg to be cut, for instance) | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
I think 2 movies would have been perfect: Movie 1: Home -> end of Battle School Move 2: Return to Home and Command School Overall 7.5/10. Happy with it, think they did a great job with how they were constrained, but felt like it needed to be much longer. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Could have had some incredible character relation development instead of the botched thing they did. | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
That being said, I read ender's game 8 years ago, so my memory was just fuzzy enough to compliment the movie without provoking anger over the changes. The acting was mediocre The visuals were good The plot felt rushed but the climax was powerful Loyal book fans seem disappointed. Those who never read the book seem un-entertained. But if you can only remember the book vaguely, this movie performs as an average-good sci-fi film. | ||
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tertos
Romania394 Posts
So many other things twisted so they could fit in the plot. No Battle room build-up. He went from total to bonjwa in just 2 games. And one of them was a cheese. (at least that what I got from the movie) No Fromic battle build-up either - he just cruised to easy win... No Demosthenes and no Locke. This really killed me a bit inside. If I were to compare the movie to the book it would be like comparing a rushed hand-job behind a 7/11 without taking off pants, to finding your true love and spending the rest of your life in a tropical paradise without the need of wearing clothes. | ||
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Poffel
471 Posts
On November 13 2013 00:27 tertos wrote: So many things, rushed or erased. So many other things twisted so they could fit in the plot. No Battle room build-up. He went from total to bonjwa in just 2 games. And one of them was a cheese. (at least that what I got from the movie) No Fromic battle build-up either - he just cruised to easy win... No Demosthenes and no Locke. This really killed me a bit inside. If I were to compare the movie to the book it would be like comparing a rushed hand-job behind a 7/11 without taking off pants, to finding your true love and spending the rest of your life in a tropical paradise without the need of wearing clothes. Can't believe I'm actually defending a movie for once (and, to be sure, one I myself have mixed feelings about), but some of this criticism strikes me as rather odd... + Show Spoiler + "He went from total [noob] to bonjwa in just 2 games." Well, in the book he is (and stays) on top of the ladder after one game, and his team is practically invincible from the very moment he gets command - whereas in the movie, he is slowly but steadily climbing the ladder to reach first place eventually. Where is this build-up you're talking about supposed to come from? "He just cruised to easy win" is also pretty much like it was in the book - except that we see him losing a battle in the movie, whereas he wins every battle in the book. Granted, the fatigue of Ender and his teams isn't displayed in the movie (and it's arguably one of the main narratives of the book), but as far as the battles are concerned, genius movie-Ender is a scrub compared to godlike book-Ender. "No Demosthenes and no Locke" Sadly, yes... though, in all honesty, that's the part from the book that has really suffered over the past decades. I mean, do we really want a subplot that basically comes down to 'Two children get so many Likes on facebook that they are elected president' in an otherwise serious movie? Otherwise, I tend to agree with you. I particularly missed the ansible. | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
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